Anyone still think Pryor is over-rated?

so of course he's over-rated!

about the Buckeye D. Despite Herbie and Musberger's slurp job Pryor's game was not one for the ages. The Oregon D is far from world beaters - I think Stanford dropped about 50 on them.

Lets see how he does over the course of a season.

Lets see how he does over the course of a season.

....that he'd either have another verbal gaffe about murdering people, OR that he'd say he hired an agent and was going pro....

Yes, he's overrated. He's also quite good. The two are not mutually exclusive. His throwing motion hurts to watch. It's like he's shot-putting while trying to take a dump. The ball seems to get there on short routes. His reads and progressions do not appear to be terribly advanced, and it looked like Tressel simplified the game plan and route progressions for him. He's still pretty good though. Very tough to arm tackle.

The D wasn't that great. Pryor is still overrated.

Yes. Sure, he can run and he did make a couple of nice throws, but he looks confused when he stands in the pocket and simply threw the ball up for grabs to Ballard. Made another couple of throws that should've been picked off. I think he's an extremely talented and lucky QB. Maybe it's sour grapes on my part. I can't stand to see these bastards winning Rose Bowls.

He was a 5 star QB, #1 recruit in the nation. Best Athlete to ever play QB, etc, etc... Oregon's defense was shredded by Arizona. Did you happen to watch Arizona's offensive machine against Nebraska? Pathetic. Pryor still has some fatal flaws. ie) Shot put throwing motion, happy feet in the pocket, and the mind of 3rd grader who still eats Elmer's glue in art class. He overcomes some of these flaws with some ridiculous athleticism. So unless you're going to lower the bar dramatically with him, then yes. Completely overrated. Hopefully he gets talked up like Tebow. His head is already the size of Upper Arlington, it will be the size of Ohio by the time next year rolls around.

Kid works a broken play better than anybody I've ever seen. You see him heading for the sideline with the stiff-arm out and ready to go, instant first down. He's a sophomore. Who has now started and won a Rose Bowl. As much as it pains me to say it, he's legit. He'll make some mistakes, he'll look confused from time to time, but as we know, that's what young quarterbacks do. The only difference between him and a lot of the others is that he's on a team that seems to always find a way to win.

Still do. In the four games leading up to the Rose Bowl, Oregon gave up 51, 21, 41 and 33 points. It is not like he lit up a top notch defense. He still tends to arm punt into double coverage, and he still misses wide open receivers.

I'm worried. I'm worried b/c it seems to me Tressel is giving him the Troy Smith development plan and its working. Tressel said as much in the post game and I think we're going to see a transition from the power sets to more open sets next year, so that if Pryor stays 4-yrs, it's going to be the full out open spread Troy Smith ran in his Heisman year with good results. Do I think we give up and say Pryor's going to be superman and beat us every year? No. I think he shows signs that dealing with blitzes is something he will struggle with his entire career, and when Oregon was mixing coverages more (late 1Q - early 4Q), Pryor seemed to have a hard time reading the coverage right and making the right decisions. Hopefully this is in an inherent weakness in Pryor that we can exploit with a more experienced defense. Some of these flaws don't go away with experience, they just get masked by creative or overly conservative offensive playcalling (see Tim Couch, Chuck Long). I also think he's going to get lit up by a superior LB one of these times a la Tebow (he's not bigger/stronger than every D-player in the country and he shows he wants the contact) and that will throw a big wrench in tOSU's plans. Quick, anyone have Fred Wilpon's email to have him offer Pryor a ridiculous baseball contract, as payback for Steinbrenner's swipe of Henson??

Imagine blending him with Tate. Terelle would get passing accuracy, pocket presence, and an IQ upgrade. From the other side, Tate would get size, strength, (improved) athleticism, and (improved) speed.

But no. And I love the revisionist history about how Oregon's defense sucks. I wonder how many saying this now were saying "how can OSU even score 24 on them with that offense?" and were predicting the Ducks to roll.

and is only overrated due to the premature hype from H.S. All his athletic talent can't cover up some flawed decision making and a throwing motion that looks awfully similar to that kid with the limp-wristed throwing style from Revenge of the Nerds.

In order to determine if someone (or something) is overrated, you need to determine how he is rated. I'll go with his rating out of high school, as the #1 recruit in the country, the source of most of his huge hype. This puts him in the same company as: Vince Young - 2002 Ernie Sims - 2003 Adrian Peterson - 2004 Derrick Williams - 2005 Percy Harvin - 2006 Jimmy Clausen - 2007 Pryor - 2008 Bryce Brown - 2009 (too early to tell) All of those guys outside of Derrick Williams had very good college careers, and are starters or major contributors in the NFL (except for Clausen who likely will be in a year). Based on that criteria, I would say he is certainly overrated.