this week in unintentionally grim-sounding recruiting headlines
Anyone see/hear any reaction to realignment at other Big10 schools?
I bet the Wisconson fans are pissed.
do you mean drunk? Because that's true by default.
OSU is pleased, mostly for the same reasons we are (Playing M at the end of the season). A couple of the weaker schools *coughindianaandillinoiscough* in OSU's division are probably unhappy.but being in the division with M and NU wouldn't have been much better. (Might even be worse in a year or two. Plus, Tressel can't live forever.)
For what it's worth, I'm thrilled that we get to play for the Jug every year now. But I bet Minnesota is unhappy. Even when they DO manage to rise up and sneak in a win, they'll only get to keep the jug for one year at most, rather than the 3 it occasionally is.
Even when the Jug game was being played every year, Minnesota wasn't holding onto it for very long. In fact, the Jug has resided in Minneapolis for more than a year only twice in the series' history (1934-42 and 1960-63). Every other time Minnesota won the Little Brown Jug, Michigan took it back the next season.
Edit: Three times. Minnesota won the Little Brown Jug in 1927 and the two teams didn't play again until 1929, when Michigan took it back.
Being separated from their arch rival, us, must be painful. Though they seem to hate OSU a lot too. Guess this disproved the adage that you can judge someone by the level of their enemies.
Minnesota looks to be bringing up the rear in our division for the indefinite future - at least as long as Fitzgerald is coaching Northwestern. The Gophers have got to be thinking twice about firing Glen Mason. Oh well, at least they have a new stadium.
Wow to many beers spelled that wrong, anyway a few comments from the Badger fans.http://ncaafootball.fanhouse.com/2010/08/26/wisconsin-iowa-will-be-in-separate-divisions-in-big-ten-alvare/
And screw Beliema. Both are douchebags.
How could MSU's cross-over rival not be Central Michigan?
Haha, I literally laughed out loud when the MSU AD cited their "rivalry with the MAC" as a point of pride. I mean, how delicious was that moment?? :D
I went on RCMB earlier today to investigate and they were happy with the "guaranteed" win in their protected cross-over with IU. Thinking like true spartys.
They were however worried about their early season stretch with us, Neb, OSU, etc. Their season will be over before it begins in one of the next two seasons ('11 or '12). Book it.
A buddy of mine who is an IU grad and a former assistant AD at MSU posted a joke on his Facebook page saying that somebody in the Big Ten office must be looking out for him since they protected the Brass Spitoon rivalry. Then a bunch of other Sparties replied on the thread expressing shock/disbelief/dismay/anger etc. Evidently they feel IU is not worthy of being their protected rival. (I know, I know....)
Judging by the blogs on SBN, the reactions are ANGAR outside of us, OSU and Nebraska.
It's hard to judge the reaction by SBN blogs, b/c so many of the commenters post on multiple sites.
I've been reading this thread at Black Shoe Diaries. Most PSU fans are happy although a few would rather have MSU as their cross-division rival rather than Nebraska simply because MSU is closer to being a rival based on having 20 years of continuous games rather than mutual hatred and respect for Nebraska (especially in 1994). But that's a very small subsection.
Nearly every PSU fan (and a lot of fans from other schools to based on the comments I'm reading) seem pissed at UM and OSU specifically. They feel that by forcing the B10 to preserve "The Game" we ruined whatever their ideal divisions were. This seemed especially true of PSU fans although they generally just complained about how much UM sucks (brought up 2005), how we're arrogant, how we force the conference to revolve around us, etc. but ended by saying that they're pretty happy with the divisions.
Edit: It pisses me off how PSU fans want to paint themselves as the red-headed stepchild of the B10 that everyone spits on and hates, but they don't recognize that they're one of the 3 (now 4) most important teams in the B10 around which the conference revolves and listens to. They bring up Delaney saying that the B10 didn't do a great job bringing PSU into the fold and then make it sound like everyone still treats them as barely part of the conference. And yet Wisconsin is the team that got shipped into the opposite geographically while PSU got to keep its game with OSU (which is increasingly important to them).
Remarkably, few PSU fans seem to remember that when they joined the conference, they received a bye week before UM for four consecutive years (1993-96) and also a bye before OSU those first two years (1993-94).
And they got OSU at home in back to back years.
Complain about how the Big Ten is all over the M/OSU figurative jocks. Strange to come up now that the reason they're not in the same division is because they didn't want to be in the "west" with Nebraska. And the red -headed step child bit has been old for about a decade now. Unless we're talking about their QBs. (Cue knock-out photo). As already pointed out, the fact that they got a bye for 4 years (3 of which they won) vs. us, as well as some vs. OSU, eludes them is a complete mystery. Or that it took them a REALLY long time to win without a bye week.
I can see being pissed about the game if OSU and Michigan had ended up in the east division and PSU had been sent west. Not sure I get how it impacted anything other than the last game discussion with this split.
And here is a blog from our little brothers.
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Are there any plans to name the divisions or are the names "X" and "O" going to stick?
Temporary is a difficult concept to understand. Much like "court ordered," "probation," and "stop lighting my furniture on fire."
"as long as Michigan is happy."
Hawkeye fans are pretty happy with the division, but they are kind of mixed about having their protected rivalry be with Purdue instead of Wisconsin. Some people think that Purdue is a guaranteed win, while the others are pissed because they'd rather play Wisconsin.
They need to realize that preserving the Minnesota-Wisconsin rivalry is more important than the Iowa-Wisconsin rivalry.
I think Iowa-Purdue could be a fun enough game to watch. Iowa should be well over .500 against Purdue but it's not an auto-win every year. Iowa fans need to come down from 2009 and realize how lucky they got.
Why was Arkansas and South Carolina a protected "rivalry" when the SEC went to 12 even though they rarely played before.
Some schools get the short end of the stick.
you mean MSU vs IU hahahaha
MSU-IU is actually a trophy game... it was a case of MSU settling for a much lesser rival. Iowa and Purdue were literally the leftovers who were stuck with each other for no reason
The idea of a Fry-Tiller Memorial Mustache Trophy is pretty awesome.
In fairness, I do agree with them that it's lousy that the Minn-Wisc-Iowa trio of hatred had to be broken up. And unfortunately, whereas up to now you had a 75% chance of playing any non-protected team, under the new system you'll have a 100% chanceof playing six teams and a 40% chance of playing the other five. That's going to take some getting used to.
The BHGP readership seems to think the realignment was one giant HJ for OSU and ourselves, with most pointing to the fact that we have all our in-conference rivalries protected. They're also pissed about their guaranteed Purdue game, which is admirable since they value hate/tradition/etc over having an "empty" game they'll win 7 times out of 10. If I were Iowa's AD I would see what could be done about moving the Iowa State game to the last week of the regular season at some point in the future. They suck, but at least it's an actual rival.
And losing the Wisconsin game.
But very happy about Nebraska to end the season.
They should be mad at Penn State. If Penn State had just gone west, then ...
Although I have to say I think the pimp hand did pretty well here.
Wisconsin fans aren't pleased:
But I guess they have a right to be.
Though I think it's funny that every fanbase thinks their division is tougher.
It's too bad they can't just swap Michigan and Wisconsin. Makes it more difficult for U of M but I don't like the idea of not playing Penn State as often. I'd be willing to sacrifice Michigan State if that's what it takes.
the fans who are pissed about shitty rivalry opponents, like Iowa with Purdue. MSU fans on the Only Colors (which is by far the most rational MSU blog out there....cough *enlightenedspartan* cough) are actually happy their protected game is Indiana.
You know you have no respect or aspirations as a legitimate program when you're happy you get to play an autowin every year in favor of a game with the actual emotion of college football.
That's like getting the first 3 moves in chess (well, checkers for MSU kids), still only winning 55% of the time, then proclaiming how awesome you are at the game.
diplomatic about it. Hollis read the company line about preserving history and traditional rivals. Thought it was great 12 AD's and Presidents could agree on something. Sidestepped the PSU question though.
Dantonio was told of MSU's horrific 2011 schedule and reportedly said "great", like the douche he is.
A latter interview, he also walked the company line and was much less of a douche.
I sense from talking to MSU friends they feel ok about it, a little disappointed they didn't get UM as the last game. And for some reason seem disappointed about their totally fake rivalry with Penn State not being annual.
you think some folks are upset about the "big ten revolving around OSU/UM,". Just wait till they name the divisions Schembechler and Hayes.
I'm thinking they may go with Schembechler-Osborne and Hayes-Paterno just to be diplomatic. We'll see.
Man all the other teams would be pissed
I'll always think of them as the Bo and Woody Divisions, but PSU and Nebraska really do deserve a nod as well. How about the Four Letter State Division and the 1997 National Champion(s) Division?
"Just wait till they name the divisions Schembechler and Hayes."
Or just name them "BLUE and RED" for folks who would always have trouble trying to spell Schembechler. Keepin' it simple....
Honestly... when they asked Delany about names and he started talking about all the "icons" the conference has had, I became pretty convinced that they were going to try the Bo and Woody thing.
Can you imagine the riots?
I love that their listing of the two divisions had OSU atop the X Division and us atop the O Division. It didn't work based on alphabetical order, or based on last season's results . . . but no one was going to question it.
It does kind of show who's in charge.
If I was Rich Rod and I was recruiting a kid who was thinking about going to a school like Wisconsin or MSU or even Penn State, I might just show him a copy of that release. . .
and echoed by the guys at Corn Nation, more than anything relating directly to NU, I'm overjoyed that the UM/OSU game is still at the end of the year. I did not want Nebraska to be the bad guys coming in, the ones who destroyed The Game - wearing an extra scarlet letter, if you will. Plus, I've lived in Ann Arbor for going on twelve years now, so I get it - it's huger than huge, it's NU/OU back in the day. (In that time I've managed to absorb the OSU Hate, so thanks for that. It's actually going to come in handy now.)
As for NU's lot, I think the most common first reaction, was "Oh. My. God. That's our first schedule?" But that quickly changed to a giddy sort of excitement. Not a we're-going-to-show-you-all-who's-boss type of excitment, but a real true sort of anticipation of getting to meet and measure ourselves against every single power in the conference the first year. Right now, it seems awesome. Ask me how I feel about next year, though, when it's actually time to run the gauntlet. (Still awesome, I'm guessing.)
I hope, I really hope, that Nebraska fans are all THRILLED that they've joined the Big 10. I hope they love playing Big 10 teams and being right in the thick of the best conference in the nation. I'd hate to have members that begrudge being here.
...but the Omaha World-Herald ran something a month or so ago that showed >90% approval among Nebraskans for joining the Big 10. Trust me, we are thrilled. As a group, we're going to try and watch ourselves a bit, though, because we don't want to be to the Big 10 what Texas (and kin) ended up being to the Big 8/12, at least from our perspective. That wouldn't be very neighborly of us....
One of the biggest rules in the Big 10 is that it is an academic peers group FIRST, and since all of the schools are assumed to be on similar academic footing in at least some ways (If you count post-graduate manure spreading classes, MSU), then they're all equally deserving of an equal piece of the pie.
I feel bad that MSU is a little screwed with the divisions, but SOMEBODY was going to be, and it couldn't be M-OSU, because the nation as a whole would not approve, and it couldn't be NU, because, "Hey, come join our conference!" "Ok!" "Great! The new guy is the whipping boy!"