any word yet on the investigation?
September 22nd, 2009 at 11:39 AM ^
The Freep did a 2 week special on the findings, what nobody read it?!
September 22nd, 2009 at 2:58 PM ^
All I saw was the front page article in which the Freep apologized for printing the article without doing so much as a shred of research. Is that what you are referring to?
September 22nd, 2009 at 12:04 PM ^
My guess is there won't be any.
They are investigating to determine if the entire compliance staff decided not to do their jobs and put themselves and the program at risk.
I suspect that we will get a report that determines that there are a group of idiots. I doubt if it will be the compliance staff, or coaches.
Let's please leave this alone.
If there's an "Oh Shit!" result, my guess is you'll find it on the front of mgoblog and everywhere else. If not check the obituary section of the paper over a holiday weekend, you may find a mention of the result.
There is so much real football, and other general OT goodness I don't understand why even bother with this now.
September 22nd, 2009 at 11:50 AM ^
I believe the investigation uncovered Rosenberg and Snyder as total douchebags.
Of course, they didn't need to hire professionals to tell us that.
September 22nd, 2009 at 11:55 AM ^
They are also stocking the bathrooms of the new stadium with Detroit Free Press in the toilet paper dispensers.
September 22nd, 2009 at 12:10 PM ^
This will cause an epidemic as thousands of asses get infected with "stupid" from contact.
September 22nd, 2009 at 12:20 PM ^
we don't need more dumbasses in the public...
September 22nd, 2009 at 12:08 PM ^
I think the witch hunt ended after the Western Michigan game.
September 22nd, 2009 at 12:12 PM ^
at half time of the Western game. Definately by the end of the ND game.
September 22nd, 2009 at 12:15 PM ^
The NCAA knows that everyone is breaking some rule, even if it is unintentional. Because of that, some infraction will be reported. If Michigan/the outside investigators don't report an infraction that will lead to the NCAA investigating and no one wants that. If the NCAA investigates they will take ANY lead and run with it. That may mean that they end up going through the entire athletic department. I don't think a lot of people realize that the Memphis basketball infractions were discovered when the Memphis women's golf program was being investigated.
September 22nd, 2009 at 12:18 PM ^
If an infraction is found, it will be reported. If no infraction is found, that will be reported. The University will not be making anything up in their findings.
September 22nd, 2009 at 12:25 PM ^
Even if a legit investigation comes up with nothing? Why would you fear an NCAA investigation in that case? Granted, no one wants the NCAA coming down in droves on AA, but isn't that the whole point of the independent investigator they hired? Basically telling the NCAA we're not doing this on our own, we've hired one of your former guys, and what we report will be the truth?
September 22nd, 2009 at 2:02 PM ^
It really doesn't matter what UofM or the external investagators do or find. If the NCAA isn't happy they can do whatever they want. When the Freep article came out I believe someone posted a quote by Miles Brand from a USA Today article that he said something like NCAA FBS athletes actually spend an average of 40 hours on football activities.
If readers of blogs know about that quote, I guarantee the right people at the NCAA know about the quote as well. If a report from the university or external investigators comes with no infractions shown it is going to look very fishy. That is why I used the words "has to."
Every school and every program breaks rules. It happens. Everyone from university Presidents to coaches to athletic directors to the higher ups at the NCAA know this. They might not all admit it in public but they will behind closed doors.
September 22nd, 2009 at 3:45 PM ^
Everyone kills
September 23rd, 2009 at 9:42 AM ^
Do you understand the NCAA regulations in this matter? It's got nothing to do with how many hours the athletes spent, but rather how many countable hours they spent, and whether or not football coaches were present during the non-countable hours.
I have some experience working with the Big Ten compliance office. I assure you they are upwards of 99% likely to accept the University's findings, regardless of their content, for the simple fact that they trust that the University is conducting their investigation with thoroughness and integrity and will report the findings with the same. (Do you really think the University is going to make up some infraction if their investigation finds none?) And if the conference accepts the report, rest assured, the NCAA will with that same 99% likelihood.
It is true, the NCAA can do what they want, but it is highly unlikely any investigation will occur beyond the University's. The only scenario where I see that happening is if the investigation leaves questions unanswered, which would most likely occur if people involved refused to cooperate.
September 23rd, 2009 at 10:46 AM ^
I've read all the articles/posts/whatever else there has been and coach D1 college basketball. I fully understand countable hours, have taken compliance tests and posted awhile ago how this Freep/2nd Jihad thing has really tightened up how we are doing things athletic department wide to make sure we don't have a Toney Clemons that ruins things for everyone.
I agree that the NCAA is likely to accept the findings and no, I don't think the university should make up some infraction.
BlueinLansing posted schools report an average of 35 violations a year. That with the 2009 summer and the fact that these aren't normal self reported violations, they are coming from digging something sort of infraction should be uncovered. The difference between self reported violations and one being found through an investigation is: a graduate assistant walking through the indoor faciility during 7-on-7s really isn't a big deal during voluntary workouts because it happens everywhere. But it is a violation that probably isn't going to be self-reported but with enough digging will show up in an investigation. And if you lie you get yourself in deep trouble (See Southeast Missouri Men's Basketball, who no nothing but minor infractions but now faces more serious implications).
That's what I was talking about. If the report came back with no violations it would look extremely fishy. I was by no means suggesting they make up some infraction. I might suggest investigating again if the initial investigation came up with zero violations. The numbers just don't add up to this being squeeky clean. Which is fine, because no one is squeeky clean.
September 23rd, 2009 at 10:55 AM ^
If I understand you, it's that you think it likely that the investigation will result in a finding of a violation. In this I agree. The example of the GA stopping by a 7-on-7 is one I've used as a possibility (in private conversation, not here).
September 23rd, 2009 at 11:28 AM ^
Yes, I do believe the investigation will find find a violation(s). You have me on that point.
My posts have gone way OT from what I intended. My other point is just that it is a well known fact that everyone commits violations and an investigation that churns a report that shows no violations over a year and a half would not look good. This might lead to more attention from the NCAA (why I brought up the Memphis situation).
There are some NCAA rules that are absolutely ridiculous that would leave 99% of the population shaking their head. Because of this they are broken, often without intention. The NCAA knows they are broken and knows that they should show up in investigations.
September 22nd, 2009 at 12:32 PM ^
..can UM stick Rosenpuke and Shyster with the tab?
September 22nd, 2009 at 12:40 PM ^
My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Barwis passing out chocolate milk at Thirty-One Flavors last night.
I guess it's pretty serious.
September 22nd, 2009 at 1:08 PM ^
He just doesn't get family values.
September 22nd, 2009 at 2:12 PM ^
Do you actually think that's funny?
September 22nd, 2009 at 2:25 PM ^
self report about 35 minor violations every year. Michigan State admitted 37 minor violations in its various sports last year, everything from excess practice time to extra phone calls, etc etc.
I would guess the chances are good that UM will find a minor violation or two, the Free Press will freak out about it with 15 stories from every writer about how they were right and the reaction from UM fans was poor and disgracefull.
Then everyone will come to their senses after reading the indepth coverage of the violation where a Grad Asst coach watched a summer workout and took notes........realize its no big deal and move on.
Hopefully UM will try to stick the Free Press with the bill, caused by their "thorough" investigation which would never have taken place without their ridiculous article full of inuendos.
Also it will be revealed Rich Rod once wrote a check with the incorrect date on it.....
September 23rd, 2009 at 10:01 AM ^
Ooook..
NCAA practice rules explained simply by a former NCAA athlete with a compliant coach.
You can only workout 20 hours a week in the regular, 8 in the offseason under the direction of your coach. Period.
But.. Under that all activities that do not count include stretching and training room time. (That easily can add up to 8-10 hours a week. I was a collegiate water polo player and I spent atleast 6 hours a week in a training room)
Stretching depending on a coach can be the same 5-6 hours a week. (Stretching before and after practice)
Those would not constitute in violation of rules time. Also "Captains Practices" (Which are "voluntary") do not count. And in some situations weight room time does not as well.
Games do count against practice hours, I am not sure on the number for football but if I recall its [1 game=3 practice hours]
As a college water polo player I spent roughly 40-50 hours a week in my sport.
6 Hours training room
16 Hours in COACHED Practice
6 Hours stretching (Pre/Post practice)
4-8 Hours a week in game time (Tournaments only count for one game)
8-10 Hours a week in weight room..
Total=
52-56 Hours a week.
And that was being in accordance with NCAA rules.
September 23rd, 2009 at 11:29 AM ^
Especially when compared to my time spent on the men's golf team my last couple years:
1 bucket of balls on the driving range
1 lecture by the coach for 'distracting' other players (wtf?)
1 offer to remain on the team and get free golf because I had an almost 4.0 GPA and was in his fantasy football league, but no time requirements because I now sucked at golf (injury).
So that was about 1 hour per semester.
But yeah, the real golfers....Brent Musberger is right, that is a huge time commitment if you are on the traveling team. But I think your water polo schedule might be tougher.
September 23rd, 2009 at 9:18 PM ^
It sucked.
But hell, I did by the end of college lift twice as much, and weigh in about 15lbs less overall.
Now im back on the 12oz Curl routine.