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Any word on Denard?
January 12th, 2011 at 9:19 AM | 
There's nothing like a
There's nothing like a
January 12th, 2011 at 10:02 AM |
I respect you, Magnus, but
I respect you, Magnus, but
I respect you, Magnus, but c'mon. Passing is not the be-all, end-all of a QB - moving the ball is, and Denard did that more successfully than just about anyone this year. He's a better quarterback from that regard than all but a few, and had respecatable passing efficiency stats.
Besides, how many true sophomore first year starter quarterbacks are highly accurate and great at reading defenses?
January 12th, 2011 at 10:08 AM |
I understand all that, but
I understand all that, but
I understand all that, but Denard isn't built to succeed in a pro-style offense or at quarterback in the NFL. He's good for the zone read option, and he could probably be a pretty good wishbone option QB, too.
But all of the games in which he performed exceptionall were games in which he had outstanding days running the football. If you force him to pass, he's going to be ineffective. To me that's not a good quarterback, unless you're going to run some sort of option.
I wouldn't call Eric Crouch a good QB, either, but he obviously played extremely well for Nebraska, won a Heisman, etc.
January 12th, 2011 at 10:25 AM |
I think Denard improved
I think Denard improved
I think Denard improved greatly passing the ball. I know he is small but don't you think another spring of practice will make him even better, maybe a pretty good passer. In the bowl game, he had some pretty good passes with touch. There were too many drops this year by the WR's.
January 12th, 2011 at 10:32 AM |
I wouldn't call Eric
I wouldn't call Eric
I wouldn't call Eric Crouch a good QB, either,
Which, again, leads one to question your definition of "good." That you could look at Denard or Eric Crouch or Pat White and say that they aren't "good" college QBs is just absurd. It's sort of like if I said that, say, Ike Turner wasn't a "good" guitar player. Would he have played surf rock as well as Dick Dale? Probably not. If I slotted him into Slayer, would he have fit in easily? Probably not. But he was a "good," even great, guitar player. And playing guitar and comparing guitarists is much more abstract than football. In football, we have metrics that determine exactly how well a QB moves the ball and generates offensive yardage and scoring. Denard is very "good" at those things, by any metric.
January 12th, 2011 at 11:54 AM |
Eric Crouch and Pat White
Eric Crouch and Pat White
Eric Crouch and Pat White were good QBs for the offense they were in. However, neither of them did shit in the pros (Crouch wasn't even given a chance to). Just because you're good at being a running QB doesn't mean you'll be good at running a pro-style set, which is what we'll be running now. I don't want Denard to leave, but saying Denard will be a good pro-style QB because Crouch and White, then that's a pretty bad argument.
If your argument is simply over what makes a QB "good," then OK, but what does that have to do with anything? What makes someone a good spread/option/zone read QB is no longer relevant WRT Michigan football.
January 12th, 2011 at 10:22 AM |
Pot, meet kettle.
You
Pot, meet kettle.
You
Pot, meet kettle.
You insulted what Denard does.
That guy insulted what you do.
Seems awfully hypocritical to get annoyed when he asks why people take you seriously (questioning how good you are at what you do) when you have just stated that Denard is not good at what he is supposed to do.
January 12th, 2011 at 12:11 PM |
I didn't insult Denard. I
I didn't insult Denard. I
I didn't insult Denard. I made an observation based on the play that millions of people have seen. Not all criticism is insulting.
Meanwhile, the poster above has no idea about my personal strengths and weaknesses or my coaching ability.
January 12th, 2011 at 11:01 PM |
Meanwhile, the poster
Meanwhile, the poster
Meanwhile, the poster above has no idea about my personal strengths and weaknesses or my coaching ability.
Just your capacity for judging football players, which is the only place with which I find fault with you as a coach.
January 12th, 2011 at 11:55 AM |
Shorter Magnus:
Shorter Magnus:
"The only good college QBs are NFL QBs."
January 12th, 2011 at 8:00 AM |
Maybe
Maybe
Maybe but the first sign that Hoke is worth his salt will be his ability to coach to his players. There is no reason for Denard to leave. His skills are solid and packages can be made for him. Hoke will have to utilize what he has and recruit what he wants. Test number one, keeping Denard. Test number two, transforming the defense.
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January 12th, 2011 at 4:17 AM |
in my mind it may be smart
in my mind it may be smart
in my mind it may be smart for denard to stay, everyone was saying the denard couldnt have success in the nfl. When Hoke comes in and denard continues to grow under a pro set, it may tell nfl scouts that he could suceed in the nfl
January 12th, 2011 at 4:44 AM |
denard is a dual threat QB
denard is a dual threat QB
denard is a dual threat QB who wants to play in a spread offense. the team played terrible all year with him under center because thats not his game. it will be the pryor in the wrong offense at ohio state result.
January 12th, 2011 at 11:38 AM |
you mean like winning B1G Championships and Rose Bowls?
you mean like winning B1G Championships and Rose Bowls?
Don't sound so bad after 15-22
LSA '09
January 12th, 2011 at 8:35 AM |
Deneard isn't going to play
Deneard isn't going to play
Denard isn't going to play QB in the NFL, whether he sticks around Michigan or not.
January 12th, 2011 at 8:42 AM |
Here comes Magnus, with his
Here comes Magnus, with his
Here comes Magnus, with his definitive final statement on the matter.
I miss King of Belch.
January 12th, 2011 at 8:54 AM |
Here comes uniquenam with his
Here comes uniquenam with his
Here comes uniquenam with his vague criticisms of me, despite the fact that he knows (or should know) that 5'11", 193 lb. quarterbacks who aren't very accurate, don't read defenses well, and run really fast don't play quarterback in the NFL.
January 12th, 2011 at 9:08 AM |
My criticism wasn't vague,
My criticism wasn't vague,
My criticism wasn't vague, but I'll clarify it with a rather pointed one:
You give too many statements that ring with finality.
I miss King of Belch.
January 12th, 2011 at 9:23 AM |
Your criticism was vague,
Your criticism was vague,
Your criticism was vague, because of course the opposite of my statement is that Denard WILL play quarterback in the NFL. But you know that's very, very, very unlikely to be true. So you won't argue with my statement. You just pop in here, make a random criticism, and say "Ha ha! Look at this!" without actually arguing the point.
Do you think Denard is going to play quarterback in the NFL? (And by "play quarterback" I mean be listed as a QB and actually have a chance of seeing the field aside from Wildcat-type plays or occasional direct snaps.)
January 12th, 2011 at 9:47 AM |
Fair enough;i just don't
Fair enough;i just don't
Fair enough;i just don't think it's fair (or intelligent) to write off a player after one year as a starting qb.
I miss King of Belch.
January 12th, 2011 at 10:33 AM |
The thing that I dislike
The thing that I dislike
The thing that I dislike about you the most is that you are making me associate a smiling Brandon Graham with whiny, bitchy comments.
January 12th, 2011 at 12:13 PM |
You should learn to
You should learn to
You should learn to compartmentalize.
January 12th, 2011 at 10:36 AM |
Have you been around Denard?
Have you been around Denard?
Have you been around Denard? He's easily 6', not 5'11. And probably bigger than 193 too.
January 12th, 2011 at 4:20 AM |
It's a good sign, at least,
It's a good sign, at least,
It's a good sign, at least, that Denard was at the team meeting. Mike Cox confirmed that he was there. Tate, however, was not. May the speculation begin. Cox is also a very artful dodger of media questions...
"I drink your milkshake." - Daniel Plainview
January 12th, 2011 at 4:34 AM |
I wonder how the rest of his
I wonder how the rest of his
I wonder how the rest of his team reacted to his facebook update after RR got fired. I'm hoping some of the leaders had a talk with him about making the right decisions moving forward.
Greetings from Bolivia.
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January 12th, 2011 at 4:37 AM |
I didn't see the facebook
I didn't see the facebook
I didn't see the facebook post. What was said?
I hate to say it, but my gut is telling me that Tate has played his last game in a Michigan uniform.
"I drink your milkshake." - Daniel Plainview
January 12th, 2011 at 5:06 AM |
I don't have a link or
I don't have a link or
I don't have a link or anything, but he was very happy about RR being fired. I just thought that his comments were immature and he should have never put it out there.
Edit, found what he said:
"BYE BYE COACH ROD! finally!! party at my crib haha ;)"
Greetings from Bolivia.
"It's special how the real true people hang together. And if you don't support the program you're not a true Michigan guy. It's that simple." - Gary Moeller
January 12th, 2011 at 5:07 AM |
Who are we talking about
Who are we talking about
Who are we talking about again? Mike Cox, Tate, Denard or someone else? Sorry, kinda confused on who posted the rude message.
January 12th, 2011 at 5:11 AM |
It was Mike Cox's facebook
It was Mike Cox's facebook
It was Mike Cox's facebook statement and/or tweet when RR got fired. I can't see Denard saying something like this.
Greetings from Bolivia.
"It's special how the real true people hang together. And if you don't support the program you're not a true Michigan guy. It's that simple." - Gary Moeller
January 12th, 2011 at 5:13 AM |
Cox.
Cox.
Cox.
January 12th, 2011 at 12:08 PM |
Man, what a cox.
Man, what a cox.
Man, what a cox.
Syracuse '03, Michigan G'05
Space bitches, space.
January 12th, 2011 at 5:31 AM |
edited
edited
If I recall correctly he later changed it to "dick rod." Not cool, IMO.
January 12th, 2011 at 7:25 AM |
Not on facebook, no.
Not on facebook, no.
Not on facebook, no.
January 12th, 2011 at 7:58 AM |
He shouldn't have put it on
He shouldn't have put it on
He shouldn't have put it on Facebook like that.
HOWEVER, if I were Mike Cox, I would be rejoicing, too. The kid has 19 career carries for 169 yards (8.9 yards per carry) and 2 touchdowns, and he can't even get on the field because Rodriguez is insistent on playing a 5'6", 180 lb. kid who fumbles a bunch, can't break tackles, and can't outrun anybody.
January 12th, 2011 at 8:32 AM |
I can't agree more without
I can't agree more without
I can't agree more without veering into talking negatively about an athlete. Something I don't like to do.
January 12th, 2011 at 8:54 AM |
But Vincent Smith doesn't
But Vincent Smith doesn't
But Vincent Smith doesn't fumble! At least that's what people on this board kept insisting whenever I expressed dissatisfaction with him getting all of the carries.
January 12th, 2011 at 8:56 AM |
True. He only fumbled about
True. He only fumbled about
True. He only fumbled about 5 times this year. That's all.
January 12th, 2011 at 4:19 AM |
I think it will also depend
I think it will also depend
I think it will also depend on what RichRod does. If RichRod finds a new job in the near future, Denard is more likely to follow. If it appears that RichRod is taking time off, I can't see Denard leaving unless Hoke says he has to move to another position.
January 12th, 2011 at 4:29 AM |
If RichRod sits out the year
If RichRod sits out the year
If RichRod sits out the year (or more? (unlikely)) as expected, then Denard would be transferring before his senior year and would have to sit one out during the first year of RR's hypothetical new tenure. If he decides to leave it would only make sense to put in his papers sooner rather than later. This would mean S-E-Cya. Unless, of course, he stays and things go terribly wrong during the upcoming season or RR lands somewhere soon and does some major snake oilin'.
Will work for a little dough.
January 12th, 2011 at 8:45 AM |
He could go to Pitt
He could go to Pitt
He could go to Pitt now that they hired Magee and run the same system. Obviously wouldn't shock me to see some of RR's staff go too.
January 12th, 2011 at 4:27 AM |
Denard will stay. I watched
Denard will stay. I watched
Denard will stay. I watched the Pointsettia Bowl, and SDSU did NOT play a pro-only set. They will adapt to Denard. Hoke is too smart to run off the Big Ten Offensive Player of the Year. He needs him, and he knows it. If he is half the recruiter people claim he is, then Denard will be back.
Besides, I watched the BCS title game, and Denard is a better quarterback, including drop back passing, than the Oregon quarterback, whom I have not seen previously. With Tate's elgibility in question, Hoke will not alienate Denard. He will start Denard at QB as he should and evetually transition to a medical red-shirted Devin after Denard has graduated.
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January 12th, 2011 at 4:32 AM |
i agree with you Midoc, that
i agree with you Midoc, that
i agree with you Midoc, that denard is the better QB. How many times did Oregons qb, make the bad read in the read option to be lit up or have his rb be destroyed in the backfield? Denard has grown and not only has become a very talented QB, but he also has become a smart QB. The thing is that I dont see Michigan using the read option anymore, but denard can use his skills in any way possible
January 12th, 2011 at 9:09 AM |
Denard didn't read much
Denard didn't read much
His read "option" was very rarely a true option play. I base that on what I saw during the games and comments by more knowledgable poster on this board. I'm not saying that makes Denard good or bad, just that the absence of a read option based offense doesn't affect Denard's ability to contribute all that much. If he gets to run around, he'd be good, if he has to read defenses and pass a lot, he'll be mediocre at best.
January 12th, 2011 at 4:30 AM |
I heard on the radio tonight
I heard on the radio tonight
I heard on the radio tonight that one of Hoke's first phone calls was trying to get in touch with Denard to keep him on board.
January 12th, 2011 at 9:18 AM |
Makes Sense
Makes Sense
He just had the reigning Big Ten Offensive Player of the Year, and a First Team All-American fall into his lap... I'd call him before I called my family to let them know I got the job.
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January 12th, 2011 at 4:30 AM |
Why don't we give Hoke a
Why don't we give Hoke a
Why don't we give Hoke a chance to actually make it to campus before we start putting words in both his and Denard's mouths?
January 12th, 2011 at 7:21 AM |
Not to mention...
Not to mention...
....how about letting him actually try to get something done before calling him a failure?
It seems critical to keep Denard, and have him play at QB. Tate seems to be gone, leaving us with only DG besides DRob, at QB. Must, must must keep DRob at QB.
I think that the first real chance to test Hoke's mettle will be to see how well he is able to retain the current players and how much of the recruiting class he can salvage.
January 12th, 2011 at 4:36 AM |
I think denard is going to
I think denard is going to
I think denard is going to stay. I think that Bradon made it clear he wanted someone who could adjust their style based on the available talent, e.g. Denard Robinson, and then tweek it again for Gardner
January 12th, 2011 at 4:43 AM |
Michigan was one of the only
Michigan was one of the only
Michigan was one of the only schools who promised Denard a chance at QB. That is one of the reasons he came here. He was very raw, and many thought that he could not be a QB. Well, to RR's credit, he was developed and is a a very good spread QB. With further coaching and experience, he will develop even more into a very good QB in any system. The potential has been developed, and now, everyone can tell that QB is a good position for him. He may not remain a QB in the NFL, but in college, he will remain there and thrive.
Team 132: 11-2. Tremendous
January 12th, 2011 at 4:46 AM |
not in the pro set or even
not in the pro set or even
not in the pro set or even out of the shot gun.
There's nothing like a personal insult from a random internet dude.
Anyway, if Denard were a good quarterback, I would say so. He's not. As Brian Kelly said (and took heat for), he's a running back who can throw. He was even named an All-American at running back. He's a very good runner.
However, he's very inaccurate as a thrower and isn't very adept at reading defenses that aren't man coverages. There's a reason that guys like Pat White, Antwaan Randle-El, Brad Smith, and Eric Crouch aren't playing quarterback in the NFL - because they're not good quarterbacks.
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