Are any recruits visiting over the weekend?
Sam usually talks about visitors on the Friday show, but the recruiting roundup was cut short.
2015 QB jayru campbell is also visiting
hard to believe 2015 is even on the radar right now.
Is Campbell a "pure" Dual Threat kind of QB? I'm interested to see how hard we get after guys like this given Al's propensity to run more of a Pro-Style type game.
I think he's more of a pro-style qb. He's a great athlete though.
I seem to remember something a while back that suggested that they would like to take at least 1 QB in every class all of which will have varying degrees of athleticism. I want to say that it was also suggested that for every QB like Shane Morris, they would take a more athletic project like Denard to see if they could make something work with them. I might just be pulling that out of my ass, though.
the implication in your statement is that Shane Morris is not athletic, even though his combine and camp times would indicate otherwise.
Here are some of my thoughts:
1. I found it peculiar that they chose running highlights for the opening 1:30. I did like what I saw and wish that Denard would utilize his feet this way. It was a quick read and if it wasn't there, pull it down and take off (I think Denard made too many questionable throws when he had room to run). Very decisive and he looked pretty fast.
2. Not sure why his receivers get bashed here. I saw many good catches with good, clean routes.
3. I like the way Shane gashed 2-deep zones (Tampa Two) -- not an easy thing to do (ask Tim Tebow).
While highlights only show the good plays, it's exciting to see the potential of Shane. Looking forward to the future !!
I think the implication is a Denard Robinson type of dual threat vs. a Tom Brady type of prototypic QB. Not a slight on Shane Morris.
I would hardly say that Shane and Tom have comprable athleticism. Shane runs a 4.63 (faster than Tim Tebow for what it's worth) while Brady ran a 5.23 at his rookie combine. That's a huge difference.
I wasn't comparing the players by each individual stat. I was just saying that Shane is probably perceived as less of a Denard style QB and more of a Tom Brady style QB. It's probably because the way he's being built up as "perfect for Borges' pro-style offense" or "the return to old Michigan football". He could become Denard 2.0 on the field for all I know. But as far as perception, that's not how people see it right now.
Shane Morris is only kind of athletic. I'll call it white athletic. /s
So I know this is sarcastic, but it does seem that the recruiting services are more likely to characterize black QB prospects as "dual threat" even if they run a mostly pro-style offense than comparably situated white QBs.
It does seem that way. Russell Wilson was a good example in my mind of a Pro Style type QB that could keep plays alive with his feet and also pose a threat if the opportunity was there to run. I think Shane could be that kind of a QB.
There's a big spectrum for mobility in Quarterbacks, and Denard and Tom Brady are the two extremes. Denard is one of (if not THE) most mobile and agile QB's of all time, while Tom Brady is the prototypical "Statue" Pro-Style qb. Shane's pretty much right between the two in my mind. He definitely seems to have the legs to scramble if he needs to, and I wouldn't be too shocked if Borges utilized that.
Don't be so sensitive...and besides. Brady is one of the elite players in the NFL. He must have some athleticism and any comparison to Brady is not a bad thing
To each their own I guess. I simply disagreed with her point, I don't think comparing Tom Brady and Shane Morris's athleticism is a very accurate statement, and I stated my opinion along with some facts to support it. There's nothing wrong with some debate.
My comparison with Shane and Tom were more a "he's more like Tom than like Denard" sort of comment. If Denard = 1 Tom =2 then I was saying Shane is probably more a 1.6. Whereas more people that are looking less at stats and more at hype see Shane at a 1.8. But obviously, neither 1.6 nor 1.8 = 2. But they're closer to 2 than they are to 1. (Also, 1 and 2 are just arbitrary numbers I've picked for this spectrum. They don't represent any ranking system. I know people here love (over) analysis.)
But I still maintain that none of this speculation matters until Shane plays a few games at Michigan. If he's a mix of the best of both Denard and Tom, it'll be amazing.
No, I said that all the QBs would have varying levels of athleticism, i.e. they don't want a statue. Shane Morris is athletic, but he's not Denard. That was my point.
That was only ever speculation by people. We'll be taking pro-style QBs, but that does not mean that some of the pro-style QBs won't be very athletic. Also, we'll take athletes in a class that could possibly play QB but we won't be taking athletes for that purpose. We'll recruit them for other positions and if they happen to work out at QB then cool. But there is definitely no way that we'll recruit athletic players in every class with the intention of trying them out at QB. We're only recruiting QBs for the pro-style and just one per class unless there is a need for 2.
TomVH did a video with Sugar Shane, Jayru & 2014 QB (Chance I believe his name is). Anyhoo, in the video they discuss height, and Jayru's doctors think he's going to be 6'7 when said & done. So, this kid could end up being a monster!
It will be really interesting to see how he progresses. I was watching his video and thinking the kid isn't a Michigan level prospect, then I had to remind myself he was a freshman. Curious to see how much he improves.
Visiting the LSA hall, any of them over 5'5" could play. Hoke needs to slow down. Soon every kid in America will be committed to Michigan. Too bad Hoke has morals. We could cut kids like the SEC and be a lock for national championships.
I know. You could tell he had to get all 140lbs behind the throws to get them out there. But the kid is only a Frosh, won the state championship & seems to have the respect of the upperclassman as CT -- Which is impressive being that young on a team in high school. He looks to be a great athlete, I'm sure he'll be playing D-1 football.
How bout the thought of a 6'7 dual threat QB!?!?
Agreed. He might not be M material, but any in-state kid with a D1 frame who is winning state championships at QB for a big time program, as a freshman, you need to keep on your radar. He could be a MAC level recruit, or he could be a VY/TP level recruit.
A 6'7 dual threat QB actually doesn't sound that great to me. A pro-style guy that tall sounds fantastic. I prefer a dual threat who is lightning quick and can accelerate out of the pocket in a hurry, i.e. Denard Robinson. Quickness and agility are key when things are closing around you rather than flat speed, which would be the opposite of what a 6'7 qb could have. Taller guys like DG and Pryor are already less effective runners than Denard without being 6'7.
Although this is largely a matter of opinion, but most will likely disagree with you. Denard is a special case, a type of player that we've seen very few of (if any) in college football.
Most coaches, especially coaches who aren't complete RR-style spread offense coaches, would rather have the guy with the QB body but who can run. A guy who can take hits, see the field well, have a rocket arm, but can take off and outrun DEs and maybe LBs when necessary.
In short, I think most teams would prefer the thrower who can run over the runner who can throw.
I would prefer that as well for our current offense (or the offense we're transitioning into I suppose). But I guess I only think of a dual threat as being the quarterback in a RR/Meyer type offense. A thrower who can run seems to be becoming the norm for a pro-style qb these days, which is definitely a good thing, so I don't really consider those guys dual threats anymore, just what an athlete should be. I mean, Andrew Luck is considered the ultimate pro-style qb and he ran something like a 4.67 40 at the combine. Really I'm just playing with semantics, but when I think of a dual threat I think of a guy who is equally as dangerous running as throwing.
Under that definition, then there are only 2-3 dual threat QBs in NCAA football, and I can't think of any other than Denard and maybe a QB at Air Force or Army or something.
Regarding the Andrew Luck example - just because he makes a great pro-QB prospect does not mean he can't be a dual threat QB. He has run for a lot of yards at Stanford. In a similar vein, look at Robert Griffin. He's certainly a dual threat QB, but he's still much more dangerous throwing the ball than running it.
2 weekends in a row for some of the Cass Tech kids. Nice
That would make him 14 or 15 years old. Jebus.
Michigan inivited all the Cass Tech kids back this weekend, I'm guessing it's because last weekend the coaches were too busy to really talk to them. So far the Cass Tech visitor list is:
Jayru Campbell-visiting Saturday
Damon Webb-Saturday and both his parents are coming with him
Will White, Deon Drake, and Gary Hosey are all visiting Wisconsin this week and as of right now will not make it.
Drake, Hosey & White were in Wisconsin yesterday and are heading to Iowa today.
Yeah that's what I thought, but this morning White texted me that he was going to be in Wisconsin all weekend, he might not be traveling with Hosey and Drake, I'm just not sure right now.
Any idea on the pecking order between these linebackers? Are they fairly equivalent or is one a potential 5*? Do any of them project as a SAM?
The numerous scouting services that have tried to address this very question have kind of just said it's too early to even know for sure that any of them are really Michigan caliber prospects, but I'm willing to bet at least one of them makes it to that level.
In other words, nobody knows.
I know Drake is a beast, in terms of looks. He looks the part of a stud linebacker.
How's Miggins looking early on? Is he good enough to be our 2014 CTDB?
I actually go to school with Johnny's sister.