Tennessee is not recruiting well just because they got 18 dudes
Any news on McDowell?
over the last week according to a "source" that those mods know. Everyone seems to be keeping cool on it since I am pretty sure nobody except the family really knows anything and this has been way too much drama for most of the fanbase with McDowell being in, out, a lock, gone, maybe here, to committed elsewhere. Fair question to ask by the OP if the OP was reading any of that speculation.
Just my guess, but i doubt he comes to Michigan...
I thought that ship had sailed a long time ago.
The source of the rumblings was UMichMSW07's stomach.
....Sam Webb was saying this wasn't over yet for either MSU or U-M.
State is probably still te favorite but no one is ou including Michigan. He thinks it will be resolved by April 1. The link is below and the McDowell part starts at about 5:50
Edit: the original link didn't work. It has been corrected.
Staee fans are becoming more unhinged than ever over this. For folks who believe recruiting doesn't matter, this has them half mad. They were posting stuff about Sam I won't repeat here.
The only thing worse than that ONE picture of ONE person mispelling "State" when vandalizing, probably while spraypainting drunk in the dark, is that Michigan fans Will. Not. Let. It. Go. Can we just drop this already? Or at least not feel the need to bring it out at EVERY opprotunity?
It's what the young people call a meme. It's like a "thing" that obtained popularity due to its relative hilarity and how this easily connects to the Sparty fanbase. It's easy to imagine Sparties painting that.
It's funny because it's real. It's not like some made up derision like Sparty calling M fans "Walverines" or "ScUM". Some Sparty fans actually did that. They earned the "Staee" moniker.
Now get off my lawn.
the use of Bolivia and Morans has been around longer than Staee, it's not like this is a new thing,
For the "old school" guys who remember Mike Tyson from his fighting days it was actually "Bolivian".
I have been a lurking here for years. Never knew where the whole Bolivia thing came from.. I thought they were going far far away. Count me informed Bolivia = Bolivian ≈ oblivious. Count me back from Bolivia.
Many believed that photo captured the ethos of the MSU fanbase so perfectly that it must be remembered forever. Kind of like the V-J photo of the sailor kissing the nurse in Times Square captured the ethos of postwar America.
You mean the one where the girl didn't want to be kissed? The ethos of postwar america is pretty sketchy in that case....
Actually, doesn't that just prove that the feelings evoked by an image can be more culturally important than the facts behind the image itself? Hence justifying the use of "STAEE"? That is, the picture perfectly captures the sense of larger situation, even if the literal event depicted was not particularly representative.
The flag-raising photo from Iwo Jima and the Eddie Adams picture of Nguyen Ngoc Loan executing a Viet Cong prisoner are other good examples.
Is that what she says now? The picture tells a different story.
It's funny at times but annoying when it's how MSU is exclusively referred to. Same with 'Ohio'.
whatever bro STAEE
quick, go tell mom!
I'd like to thank the mods for not letting this site deteriorate to that level.
As long as they have Narduzzi, recruiting stars shouldn't matter to them. The dude is legit. The day he leaves MSU will be as big a boon for UM as if we'd landed 10 5 stars.
"rumblings" Come on man, don't do this to the good people on this board.
Please only post in Drunk Uncle-esque rants... thank you.
If not MSU, then out-of-state is what I'm reading.
twitter ramble. im just seeing if anyone has any legit info outside of twitter?
So which is it? Rumbles or ramble? I need to know!
May the downvoting gods have mercy on you for bringing this sailed ship back to the board. I personally can't wait to downvote you when get back in front of a computer
i love you too
...as this comes from someone who likely contributes nothing of significance to this board himself.
he can't drive the car this weekend.
She called all the Rivals people to report it because Scout wouldn't hold a press conference for her. Also, she wanted to announce the launch of her new book called "Parenting: You know what's best for your son in all circumstances." Chapter 1 was called "You do you girl even if your actions damage your son's reputation." Chapter 2 was called "How to extend your 15 minutes of fame." Chapter 3 was a comparative study of American universities finding Michigan State to be the only school in the country where shenanigans take place. I don't want to spoil the rest of the book, but the 1,684 page autobiography in Chapter 7 holds a special place in my heart.
America, I have given you all and now I'm nothing...
Every 18 year old thinks they know more than their parents. One day you might become a parent. Let us know how that goes.
You act like choosing State is like choosing to become a meth dealer. At a certain point, you need to let your ADULT son to make his own decisions.
While he might be a legal adult, 18 year olds are still really kids. They still have a ton of maturing to do.
But why are we quicker to accuse her of bad parenting and "extending her 15 minutes of fame" than we are to believe that she saw something during the recruiting process that made her want her son to go elsewhere?
I think the situation has played out in an ugly fashion, but I empathize with her. She doesn't want her so to go to State for a reason. What seems to bother us is the lack of a "why". Its the same reason some of us hate the Fort and many of us see a conspiracy in the Gibbons case. But we're not entitles to this information. At least that's my opinion.
It obviously wasn't good.
I think people also realize that she hasn't had training in public relations. She is responding emotionally when she and her son are attacked. I can't blame her, but it's making things worse.
I don't see her as someone who is trying to embarrass her son. They are obviously close because he has stuck by her except for one brief period around National Signing Day.
I hope they get good advice and reach a solution that works for everyone.
Seems to be fairly optimistic about him coming to Michigan. Such a strange recruitment.
Mom still does not like MSU, and she and Malik are trying to shore things up. She does not like the non-academic atmosphere at MSU and wants him to go somewhere else. It's still a fluid situation, and from everything I've heard, Michigan isn't totally out of it. They're also not going after him hard because he doesn't like hard sells and they don't want to turn him off.
At this point, is this a prospect we would want UM getting? I mean, he's a legit 5-star physically true, and maybe this is just conformation bias, but prospects that jump around, don't sign on signing day, drama and family stuff that draw out this much...just seems they don't end up being the best for the team.
... difficult to say no to an in-state recruit with that much upside. You have to think that the drama won't just disappear though, and it must have an effect on him. The question the coaches have to answer is will it be a distraction for him and the team.
But until the young man is able to speak candidly and publicly for himself, I will try reserve judgment. Admittedly, this won't be easy, especially considering his obvious affinity towards Staee.
It has been said on this board before -- family drama could potentially be due to no fault of his own.
Reading through some of the Jason Avant articles in the wake of Avant's release from the Eagles reminded me of the long journey these kids sometimes endure, from immature teenager to adult role model. Only time will tell what path Malik chooses.
Pryor comes to mind when I think of someone who dragged things out like this. But he was in a situation where he could do whatever he wanted. I believe Hoke and Mattison would keep him in check or he'd transfer.
I know you're not equating the two, but we should keep in mind that Pryor chose to carry it out past NSD for _________________ (who knows?) reason. McDowell's situation is a little bit different in that he clearly wants to go to MSU, but his parents do not see eye to eye with him. If it were up to McDowell, this would all be over with and he wouldn't be garnering this much attention right now.
And TP wanted OSU. I thought that was the reason for the delay and we were just happy to be part of the discussion in case PSU's head coach was forced out due to scandal and OSU's head coach was forced out due to scandal.
1. Highly rated in state kid.
2. Keep him away from rival program.
To do with what's right for the kid.
But are responsive to the question of whether we'd really want him at Michigan.
What the hell does not signing on signing day have to do with anything? Signing day is an arbitrary day that fans think prospects should sign since most recruits sign that day. But it is only the first day athletes are allowed to sign an LOI.
Although this situation is different since he actually did sign on signing day (for state).
Either way, if the Michigan coaches want him then who is any fan to say that "he's not right for the team"? I for one would be quite pleased.
Top prospects over the past few years who have not signed on NSD have generally had further bumps in the road (Pryor, Seantrel Henderson, Bryce Brown), but there are also guys like Alex Kozan who seemed genuinely conflicted, quietly signed with Auburn, and AFAIK has had no serious troubles on his way to starting in the National Championship game this past season.
Honestly, the kid wants to go to State, let him go to State. It is not going to benefit anyone, him or the school, to force him to go somewhere he does not want to go.
i agree. that being said, if he comes to U of M, ill be just fine with that
You really want him at Michigan when the fans, the coaches, and his teammates all will know he rather would have been at State?
Just seems like a recipe for disaster, IMO.
I had a ton of friends who wanted to be at Michigan, but ended up loving State. There have been plenty of players who feel the same why.
If he buys in when he's here, I don't care if his first choice was OSU or WMU. Just have to trust he's invested in Michigan if he chooses.
Just seems suboptimal, and an uphill climb to continue to ensure that a guy buys in, even after he is part of the program.
So did I... in fact, you can identify, without fail, a sparty who applied to michigan and wanted to go to michigan but got rejected.... you can identify them by their insane level of hatred... its quite comical actually.
But how many of them could have gone to Michigan, but didn't because their parents wouldn't let them?
I grew up in Indiana and therefore an IU Basketball fan and later an ND Football fan. All of that changed during my first semester at the University of Michigan. I am now a die hard Wolverine. I don't hate ND. I didn't hate IU until last year when Crene was such an ass and Home Depot dunked during the clock kill. Now "to hell with ......IU".
If Malik attends UofM he will be brian washed just like I was.
His dad was having none of that. It's not always a bad thing to put your parents wishes above your own.
This doesn't prove anything. For all we know, Spielman could have even been better had he come the Michigan.
He was a two-time All-American and second round draft pick. He also cherished his time in Columbus. I loved Bo and our coaching staff, but I don't think they could've made him much better than what he was.
Spielman did not "want to come here." That meme stems from a story told by Spielman that goes something like, "I aksed my dad what he would think if I chose Michigan, and my dad said 'You're going to Ohio State and that's the end of that."
Spielman wasn't the same cordial and respectful person you see/hear today. There are stories of him waltzing in to Bo's office with his hat on backwards and a big chew in his lip - two things Bo loathed as much as anything.
In the doc, he said he was set to come here. I don't know all the stories, so I'm just going based on what he said.
Maybe he is the mystery 5 star visiting next week.
Let's just say that visitor is a certain 34 year-old that was able to lobby for four more years of eligibility based upon my blazing sub 8 40 time.
That London bookies are now taking odds on the matter.
to the McDowell to Michigan scuttlebutt. There have been a few posts recently with "inside information" that haven't automatically been deleted, which usually means that the mods feel/know that there is some veracity to the information being shared.
This is just your memory. I can't give you any new information.
Not going to share any specific paywalled info, but very good sources say that we're not out of it by any means.
Well, as you guys know, Mr. McDowell has continued to fight the good fight against the mighty McDonald's corporation. He cotinues to provide stellar service to the Queens neighborhood, and still proivides food for the black awareness rallies.
"They got the Golden Arches, mine is the Golden Arcs. They got the Big Mac, I got the Big Mick. We both got two all-beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles and onions, but their buns have sesame seeds. My buns have no seeds."
You wanna keep working here, stay off the drugs.
to spill your beverages."
Just let your sooooooul gloooo. Soul glo
Per Rivals: There is a post up from some dude who said a "source" told him that the MSU coaches were saying the only reason MM was interested in FSU is because FSU was going to pay him.
Mom heard that and is pissed.
Also, there is the fact that the MSU coaches have let star players blow off classes in the past and when asked about it by Mom they had no answers.
That's pretty much it.
Mom isn't budging and maybe she can convince MM to come to UM. Nobody knows anything other than that IMO.
EDIT: Also in a post from earlier this week Tim Sullivan seems to think we are actually the very slight favorite to land MM. I still think that would be mighty shocking IMO
MM commits to Michigan then East Lansing burns.
Still says Michigan is in it. Apparently something happened on the official visit and you couple that with the negative social vibe she has about sparty and this is what you get. Webb has said the situation was told to him off record so he's not at liberty to discuss.
They are building one on State Street.
Coming to America. Great flick
You must be a young buck
Has no seeds.
Do we really want him?
Are you craz........oh
I heard he was sent to bed without supper. Crazy kids these days.
but I hope he only does if he really wants to. It sure seems like he took his time and chose MSU over Michigan so I hope his parents don't just force him to come here.
I hope he goes to staee and takes all his drama with him
Not at all.
I hope he goes to staee and takes all his drama with him
I think our players could make him feel more than at home. This situation will be interesting to look back on in five years to say the least.
I thought this had finally come to pass, yet here we are again. I think most of you copy and paste your comments from the other threads at this point.
On good authority he's going to MSU and it's not worth asking again.
...also on good authority (very good actually), Mom will never consider signing for MSU and Malik is unwilling to end his relationship with her over it (which he could do by enrolling after the start of fall semester without an LOI, which also means he would miss all of fall camp and essentially be forced to redshirt). This woman is 10000% serious about her son not going to State though her reasoning has not yet been made public.
I fully expect Malik to continue to say he's going to MSU until he signs elsewhere within this month.
Now what would be interesting would be her actually discussing this issue. When he flips it's bound to come out at some level.
You sound like an insider, well-connected here... did you get this directly from your good source?????? And you say 'elsewhere'.... care to make a prediction?
This family is good at keeping things under wraps and it is clearly a very touchy subject so I'm not going to make an affirmative prediction but I will say it's extraordinarily unlikely he ends up at MSU
I thought u had inside info. Sorry to disagree but the family has NOT kept anything under wraps. The mom even went on radio.
And as far as not going to MSU....didnt he skip both fsu and osu visits? Therefore the only likely destination is in fact MSU, with us as an outside shot, since he loved us forever.
You're certainly entitled to disagree...we will all know what's up soon as April 1 is the LOI deadline
public info as to what his Mom's issue is with State (since it's not academic)? Something must have gone down on one of his visits, I guess?
Do you Raback that?
You remember the fate of RDT and Raback Obama...I'm hoping you're right here but know that the institutional memory of the board is only forever.
No I don't Raback that...as I said I refuse to make an affirmative prediction. There are still too many moving pieces. And as I carefully chose my words, it will be very hard for anyone to misquote or misunderstand what I said.
Also, if Malik were to come to UM the meltdown from Sparty fans (especially RCMB) will be like nothing any of us have ever seen. You think wishing an 18-yr old kid to tear his ACL is bad, just wait and see what they'll come up with...
This is a strangely direct, yet vague declaration; one that if it came from anyone else everyone would be all, "Wtf dude, whose good authority, and why shouldn't anyone ask?" But since it's Seth I'll just say, okaaayy....
I have one good source, a coach of another team in the area who is close with Southfield's coach. He doesn't disclose anything that hasn't been made public, if my source has a rooting interest it's MSU, but he's not the kind of guy who lets fan bias color his comments much. We watched the MSU-Michigan basketball game together, and that's when he told me to stop asking about McDowell because players tend to go where they want to go.
Before he said Malik and his family take his school decision very seriously, since it has been their goal since he was a little kid to get him to the NFL. They did a lot of homework on various possible destinations and formed strong opinions a long time ago.
What's fucked up isn't the family's situation; it's how fans follow the recruitment of the highest-ranked athletes. I don't blame Sam since he has good connections that seldom steer him wrong and that's what he does. I don't have much appreciation for the responses of Michigan and MSU fans on message boards who've made one recruit's decision into some all-encompassing value judgment on the two programs. Note that the most vitriol from their camp came when Mom met the internet Sparties. I don't think this recruitment is all that hard to figure out: if Michigan didn't have a blow-you-away academic support program and a staff with a strong record of developing and coaching pro prospects, we wouldn't be in it; if Michigan State didn't have perhaps the best defensive coaching staff in college football, they wouldn't be in it. If Malik was from Atlanta instead of Detroit neither of us would probably be in it.
By the way he's got more on Marshall than McDowell. They are very different kids--Marshall is outspoken and a lot more independent (knowing his family history it makes sense), and grew very close with his coach. Whatever happens with McDowell, Michigan is getting a fantastic defensive lineman and fantastic human from Southfield.
I hope they stay away from everyone over the next 2-3 weeks and only ask advice from those they trust and make the decision that is best for them. I posted earlier that the mother doesn't have a public relations background and may be responding emotionally out of caring for her son which is only making matters worse. Sam is doing his job and he has to report what he learns but I hope everyone leaves them alone so they can make the decision without all the fans being involved. Obviously we are all here looking for updates but I'd be happy to not hear anything more until the LOI is signed.
I'd love to have him play at Michigan but ultimately I want what is best for the McDowell family. They have been through enough.
I clicked on this thread expecting a torrent of people shitting on the OP for raising an issue long dead and buried. Boy was I happily surprised.
Speculate on boys......
And for everyone asking "do we really want him" the answer is HELL FUCKING YES. 15 minutes after he was here (assuming he actually somehow comes here) nobody - including him - will give two shits how he got here.
As hard as it is for me to say this (as a mom), you have to let the kid go where he wants to go. If he's going to make mistakes, he's going to make them and hopefully learn from them. Hopefully, he won't make the kind of mistakes you can't recover from, just the garden variety ones most 18 and 19 year old's make. Hopefully, I can keep this attitude as my almost 14 year old starts to make teenager mistakes.
In my view, for what it's worth having raised 3 daughters, I think you're generally right. You have to let go and let kids lead their own lives/make their mistakes. I also know, however, that each kid and each situation is different. With two of my kids, I let them do what they wanted, for the most part. With another, I had to be much more direct and authoritarian. Sometimes a parent can see warning signs and will throw up a roadblock. If that's the situation here (and I have no inside knowledge), I respect MM's mom for holding her ground while also refusing to tell the media her thinking.
I'm not saying this is what is going on here but seriously??... are you willing to say that you would allow your kids to make bad decisions and "hope" that it is not irreversible without doing everything possible to help them?
If he has a penchant for hanging out with hoodlums and derelicts, MM's going to find them anywhere he goes, even Ann Arbor. Besides, he's 18, or almost 18, and that's very different from 14.
in three years when your child is making college decisions I doubt you will feel the same. I don't know much about most things but this I know... 18 years does not make you an adult. Very critical skills and life changing choices need the attention, due diligence, insight and love of caring parents when kids choose their higher ed.
MM is also coming from a very different place than your average MGoBlog household as well. His challenges are deep. When the risks are greater so too should be the supervision. God's speed to those parents who do that well.
ND. Wanted to go there dad said no way went to UM . best veto ever. I'd be an arrogant prick if my dad didn't intercede
Well we did leave open 5 scholarships - 1 for each of MM's stars.
Welly, welly, welly, welly, welly, welly, well... To what do I owe the extreme pleasure of this surprising question?
Well, I heard rumblings that he was going to go really far away and play for the Galgamex at Intergalactic State University.
In all seriousness though, he isn't coming to Michigan.
Dude, forget about the Gilgamex
There he is. The "we don't want him" President.
Do you know this kid personally? If not, you're making some pretty big assumptions. Just because he can't get his mom to agree with his decision to go to state doesn't mean he's a future criminal. Do us all a favor and shut up.
I'm not sure I want this sort of poster.
If he comes to Michigan, should we call him Banks or Cake Eater?
I vote Cake Eater.
prediction ..... 2014 is going to be a good year, that is all.
True dat brotha!!
Neither UM nor MSU. That said my view is its somewhat unfortunate this wasn't all hashed out before. But sometimes new information comes about which overrides the conventionally established wisdoms.
I'm sort of following from afar. It would be superb to have a kid with his talent on the Team. I read the comments about his loyalties being elsewhere but I can think of no other scenario with lower downside than that. Playing by simply going thru the motions/sulking/call it what you like, is a surefire recipe to ride the pine or worse. So I don't see that as really being an option.
You come to Michigan, we're going to make you work for it, classroom and field. But, its for your own good.
I obviously have no idea how this will turn out, would love to have him at Michigan, but more than anything do NOT want to see a "compromise" where he ends up at Ohio.
I don't want another post about Malik McDowell unless it is entitled Hello: Malik McDowell.
+1 Couldnt agree more
Luckily for you, you have that choice. Your mom can't make you click on a thread.
Based on everything Sam Webb said and what Lawrence Marshall said, I really do think this was a tough, close call for Malik. If he somehow still ends up at UM, I have no doubt his teammates will help him feel welcome and he will give his team his all. I will never have the pleasure of having a 5* football or basketball player son, so I have no idea what this has been like for Malik and his family. I only hope their relationships survive this whole situation and that Malik has a good collegiate athletic experience.
I know his Mom doesn't want him at State. Long ago he was big on Michigan, so if he wants to stay close to his parents I think his choice would be Michigan. Though is he really wants to attend State he will probably go without the blessing of his parents. But if he's very close to his parents, like I think he is, then Michigan is still in the game. I think he would be a great addition to the team, so I hope he goes Blue!
You definitely take him if he decides to come here. By fall, no one will remember/care about this drama
Sam Webb was talking about him today again on the recruiting roundup. Man oh man, this is getting interesting. By the sounds of what Sam was saying, he made inevitably wind up at Michigan. Sam knows things, and maybe leaning towards Michigan for Mr McDowell.