Ah yes, the ultimate victory cigar
Any doubt about B1G POTY and COTY?
MSU basketball fans employ the same arrogance they accuse us of having. When they lose it's because they were injured, the refs sucked etc. I knew they were overrated at 2 when their cast of current players hasn't made it past a sweet 16. It's great to see Izzo having a late career collapse.
If Nebraska wins the next two games, it's going to be hard to beat Tim Miles. Beilein has had to overcome a bunch (2 first round draft picks, 1 preseason All American) this year, but doing what Tim Miles has done at what has been a basketball tire fire in Nebraska will earn a lot of (derserved) recognition. Should be close.
I think Nik wins POTY pretty handly.
I think Harris and Marble will be challengers for POTY. I think a pretty equal case can be made for any of these three.
Harris has mostly single-handedly carried that heap of a team to a 2nd or 3rd place finish. Despite Izzo's annoying complaints about his team's injuries, they actually have had a lot of injuries and they've really had to lean on Harris.
And Marble has obviously been outstanding.
Not as clear for Coach B. I agree with folks who think that Miles should get a very hard look for his work this year.
I think Beilein has a good case for B1G coach of the year, but if I take off my Maize and Blue glasses, I have to give it to Miles. He's only in his second year there and he's taken that program to the next level. They were picked to finish last in the conference, I think.
I feel like coach Beilein might end up a victim of his own success here, while Tim Miles hasn't really had any success before this year. Still hope winning the outright title helps Coach though.
Did anyone see Trey's comment about Stauskas' being the PoY? Some idiot MSU slappy replied and said something about Gary Harris should be the PoY. Of course, though, Michigan fans (including myself) let that jackass have it.
I am very proud of you.
I would've said Gary Harris and Nebraska's coach were the front runners 2 weeks ago. I think Beilein and Stauskas caught them both.
Let's finish off IU with a great performance from both and take home the hardware!
Gary Harris is a high volume, low efficient player. No way does he deserve POY. IMO, he should not even be mentioned. One person above nailed it on the head... The guy is hitting 41.7% from the field and 34.7% from 3's. How in the hell does that get you player of the year unless your Dikembe Mutumbo defensively?
If Gary Harris got player of the year, it is a complete travesty. Payne is way more important to that team than Gary Harris.
* ADD * and i would pay to punch Valentine between those split teeth. Wannabee trash talking thug. There, my anger is out for the day. Back to work :)
His ORatings is 112.3 which is efficient.
Not sure what makes up ORating, but how in the hell is 41.7% and 34.7% translate to a good ORating?
Basically, if your highest volume shooter is shooting the above, you better have a seriously great defense and great rebounding team, or your under .500
effective field goal percentage, free throw rate, offensive rebounding, assists and turnovers are all taken into account.
COTY: Beilein...... However if Braska makes the Big Dance, Miles will get it.
I think Miles might deserve it if he gets NU to the tourney, though even then it shouldn't be a slam dunk.
If they don't make it...I mean, good for them for being not terrible, but it's hard to say you've done the best coaching job ever when your team isn't even one of the 68 best in the nation. In that situation, you'd have to think Beilein deserves it over Miles, cuz he turned a McGary injured 4 loss team into outright Big Ten champs. Gotta be worth something. Plus the guys been coaching his butt off for 3 years now, give him his due please.
Beilein did take a good team minus three contributors, turn them around and win the Big Ten.
As unlikely as that was, Miles took a Nebraska team which is generally awful and was fully expected to be the Big Ten's doormat, to the point where people were putting them near the tournament bubble.
As far as performance vs. expectation, I think Miles is a slam dunk. Beilein winning the Big Ten minus McGary is huge but not sure it'll be enough to beat Miles
You forgot the guy who is contending and maybe in the top 3 - RDM
For an alternate viewpoint from all the Miles love in this thread, see this Rod Beard piece: Michigan's John Beilein, Nik Stauskas vie for conference's top honors. I'm guessing Beard might have some insight into who has the inside track on both awards, and he seemed pretty positive about Beilein's chances. He mentioned Bo Ryan as another candidate, before saying that Miles "will get some consideration."
Nebraska will finish the conference at .500. That's great but COY isn't solely based on "performance versus expectation" it's also based on end results. When you win league championships you get the inside tracks for these accolades and rightfully so.
Also, Izzo has only 2 outright COY awards in the B1G so this one needs to get to JB so he can pass Izzo in a couple more seasons.
More than 25 minutes per game and a usage of approxiamately 20% or higher
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Kaminsky has been a more effecient scorer than Stauskas and with a higher usage. Ferrell, Marble, Harris and Ross have usages that are so much higher than Stauskas's usage that they should probably be put in a different table. (don't compare ortg accross usages, see the first note here)
Ferrell, Marble, Stauskas or Kaminsky would all be deserving of the award, though Stauskas's platform is essentially best offensive player on the best team.
As for coach of the year I have no idea how they pick those, but if you can go undefeated and win a national title in your second year with a football program and not win your conferences coach of the year award then it is probably not the sort of thing a reasonable person should spend much time trying to figure out. I'd vote Bo Ryan because he seems to be the only coach in the conference that has figured out that you should try to limit your opponents 3pt attempts.
if you consider possessions per game. No way the POY is a guy who sits 15 minutes a game.
The short answer is Nik is undoubtly B1G POY and Coach B is undoubtly B1G COY. Sure, there are other reasonable runner up candidates, but these are now etched in stone.
GR3 has done more in conference play than Adreian Payne.
had me in stitches