miles is going to win. izzo should come in last. complaining ≠ coaching.
well that's just, like, your opinion, man
miles is going to win. izzo should come in last. complaining ≠ coaching.
Is there a basketball thread on this site lately not complaining about Izzo?
As soon as RCMB shuts up and stops trying to take away from our title with "We be elite but people injured", then I think we will stop making fun of Izzo and his minions complaining about injuries
I'm not sure we should base our decisions around what the RCMB has to say about anything.
I don't think there is any mention of Izzo in the Indiana thread although there is compalining about Crean.
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could win? I think Stauskas wins B1G player, but we miss out in coach of the year and wooden award.
There are several national coach of the year awards given out, and while sometimes a coach sweeps them all, it's more common for two or more to split them. I could see Beilein winning at least one of them, perhaps the one awarded by the NABC given how respected he is in the coaching community.
There are also multiple PoY awards from different outlets, but the Wooden is the most known and popular one.
Beilein is certainly not going to win that. I'm thinking Tony Bennett from Virginia. WSU season's was amazing to say the least, but I don't know a soul who thought Virginia would have such an incredible season and take the ACC regular season crown (or even compete for it for that matter).
see Stauskas betting B1G POY but COTY would be pretty surprising for Belein. Not that he doesn't deserve it, but...
Side note: I heard one of the announcers last night (Dakich?) say Craft got B1G player of the decade. Was he joking?
Edit: Dammit. I let the other posters' replies throw me off. You meant B1G COTY for Beilein. I can absolutely see him getting B1G COTY. The only other coach who could possibly deserve it is Miles.
the OP meant B1G coach. I think he would win that, just not national. And Dakich was joking.
No Dakish wasnt joking when he said Craft should win B1G Player of the Decade. In fact, I think he's a tremendously deserving candidate given the high level he's been playing at for Ohio State for these past 10 years.
Wasn't Craft a Junior when Jordan Morgan arrived in Ann Arbor?
for 1,000+ years! Craft was in Jr. High at the time...
I am so glad Craft is done after this season. Not only do M fans hate him, but I think college basketball fans in general cannot stand that kid. He's just so annoyingly good on defense. Too bad for him he shoots like a chick.
I can still see Aaron taking all that time setting up for the 3 pointer .... perfect form, c'mon hold that follow through .... and then AIRBALL !
Oh man, that was so classic.
I think he was saying people would be surprised that he wasn't voting for Craft for player of the decade, insinuating that he loves Craft. He went on to say he has not been good offensively, which is why he wouldn't include him in the All B1G team.
Now that you've mentioned that I recall it was when they were putting up their All B1G Team when he mentioned that. I caught the Craft comment but didn't rewind to catch the context.
Well the only guys who have been playing for the last ten years are Craft and Morgan. Craft probably takes it in that race.
Unless it has been said elsewhere we've been all over him for having verbal intercourse/trying to seduce Craft with kind words.
I don't remember if it was the other announcer mocking Dakich or him taking a sarcastic jab at himself. I DO NOT think he was being serious FWIW.
It was definitely a jab at himself, all in good humor. I think he said he thinks people will be surprised that he doesn't name Aaran Craft to the Big Ten all-decade team.
Though Petteway is in there as well. Marble has somewhat similar numbers in B1G play, lower scoring effiency, but is also their primary defender I believe. Iowa has struggled lately though, which may hamper his case.
but just one bone to pick with the OP. while I think Nik clearly deserves the Big Ten player of the Year, one would have to be crazy biased to not see that Gary Harris is a better overall talent.
that can't hit a clutch free throw. No spartan deserve any award, other that the "baby crying award" for coach izzo. They failed miserably this season and all anyone heard was excuses.
Here's the stats .... Harris FG-42%, 3pt-34% vs, Nik FG-49%, 3pt- 46%
Sorry but the facts are that Harris was NOT POY this season!
We agree that Harris doesn't deserve the award and that Nik does.
I don't see the argument where the OP said that Nik was clearly better than Harris, just that he deserved POY over him. Harris has his own problems, including consistency, but his upside is really high, he has a nice pure shot, athletic enough to get to the bucket, and rebounds well. He's just not as consistent as Nik (who hasn't always been consistent), and that's why he's not in the conversation over Nik, as the OP basically said (combined with MSU's downward trend to close the season).
I think I nitpicked myself into a corner. Apologies. I suppose I think that Harris has a better career, but Nik had the better year. Of course, there is only one I'll be rooting for . . .
I'd say Beilein has wrapped up Big Ten COY and is a top 3 or 4 candidate for National COY. As far as Big Ten Player of the Year, I really don't see how anyone but Stauskas can justifiably win it.
On a somewhat related note, I think Stauskas, LeVert and Robinson will be All-Big Ten and Irvin and Walton will both be All-Big Ten Freshman team members.
I think you're right about Stauskas, Levert, and Walton, but I'm not seeing Robinson on the first team, and I can't imagine there aren't more deserving freshmen at Irvin's spot, given his spare minutes.
I just meant any All-Big Ten team for Robinson. I would guess Stauskas is on the 1st team, LeVert on the 2nd and Robinson on the 3rd. I was trying to come up with who would deserve it more than Irvin but am struggling. I just don't see 5 other freshman that have put up better numbers than Irvin, especially when you consider the limited minutes he has played this year.
While I agree Irvin deserves to make the team: 6 Freshman have won the B1G Freshman of the Week: Irvin, Walton, Noah Vonleh (IU), Bryson Scott (Pur), Kendrick Nunn (Ill), Nigel Hayes (UW). If the conference tries to reward as many teams as possible, Irvin might be the odd man out.
And don't forget about Basil Smotherman, I'm pulling for him as a darkhorse because I always root to see that name anywhere /s
For the women's all–Big Ten teams announced earlier this week, the conference changed from naming first, second, and third teams of five players each to naming just a first and second team each consisting of ten players. I'm assuming they'll do the same for the men, so this is something to consider when predicting who'll be on the first team.
I'll grant that men's college players are probably criticized too harshly, given they are young and (usually) having to attend college classes. Commentary on women's sports in general swings far to the other side, with virtually no criticism of players or coaches. Imagine Dick Vitale calling a women's game, it would be sensational.
Next year there will be 15 players on the first team for women's hoops.
Glenn Rob has not played like one of the top 20 players in this conference. Not even close, really.
One media person I asked about this was unaware of any change to the men's all–Big Ten teams, so my assumption that the men's teams would be set up like the women's teams may have been a bad one. I guess we'll find out for sure on Monday.
If anyone's wrapped up B1G COTY it's Miles. U-M was picked 2nd and took 1st; Nebraska was picked last and might get 4th. Folks with maize and blue glasses assuming Beilein's a lock for B1G COTY are probably going to be very disappointed.
Really? I seem to remember pretty much every analyst saying UM was an NIT type team after Mitch went down, along with many UM fans. And here I was gonna say Tony Bennett deserves National COY over JB, but you ruined that :) (kidding obviously).
In all seriourness, I would be shocked if Beilein doesn't win Big Ten COY, UM fan or not. With that said, if Nebraska wins at IU and beats Wisconsin at home, I will certainly admit I was wrong and agree with you. Nebraska had a very favorable Big Ten schedule as they only had to play MSU, Wisconsin and Iowa one time.
The McGary aspect is a good point, considering the preseason predictions were made with his presence assumed.
Problem is, the media has already latched onto to Sparty as the injury narrative team.
Still, the award almost always seems to go to whoever outpaces preseason expectations the most. Izzo will get the overcoming-injury vote (I know this is stupid, I'm just saying) and Miles will get the overachieved-expectations vote. I would honestly not be blown away to see Beilein come in third.
You make a solid case for Miles and a good point about injuries/Izzo. I remember back before Big Ten play started where Kenpom had predicted Nebraska would lose every conference game. The fact that they have a chance to finish with a winning record in conference play is extremely impressive.
This Big Ten preview from Dec. projected MICH to be #6 & NEB to be #10. Currently, MICH is #1 & NEB is #5. http://t.co/dkVom5kQFl
— Drew Hallett (@DrewCHallett) March 5, 2014
The media isn't as bad as you paint it to be, and most will take into account the changed expectations mid-season, shown in the above. I think Izzo will get little consideration for coach of the year. And I think finishing 1st instead of 6th trumps finishing 5th instead of 10th.
that Izzo gets zero first or second place votes. It's a two man race with Bo Ryan likely third.
Is there a Robinson on our team that I'm not aware of? You cannot be referring to Glenn.
Andrew Dakich, no doubt.
Ah yes, the ultimate victory cigar
MSU basketball fans employ the same arrogance they accuse us of having. When they lose it's because they were injured, the refs sucked etc. I knew they were overrated at 2 when their cast of current players hasn't made it past a sweet 16. It's great to see Izzo having a late career collapse.
If Nebraska wins the next two games, it's going to be hard to beat Tim Miles. Beilein has had to overcome a bunch (2 first round draft picks, 1 preseason All American) this year, but doing what Tim Miles has done at what has been a basketball tire fire in Nebraska will earn a lot of (derserved) recognition. Should be close.
I think Nik wins POTY pretty handly.
I think Harris and Marble will be challengers for POTY. I think a pretty equal case can be made for any of these three.
Harris has mostly single-handedly carried that heap of a team to a 2nd or 3rd place finish. Despite Izzo's annoying complaints about his team's injuries, they actually have had a lot of injuries and they've really had to lean on Harris.
And Marble has obviously been outstanding.
Not as clear for Coach B. I agree with folks who think that Miles should get a very hard look for his work this year.
I think Beilein has a good case for B1G coach of the year, but if I take off my Maize and Blue glasses, I have to give it to Miles. He's only in his second year there and he's taken that program to the next level. They were picked to finish last in the conference, I think.
I feel like coach Beilein might end up a victim of his own success here, while Tim Miles hasn't really had any success before this year. Still hope winning the outright title helps Coach though.
Did anyone see Trey's comment about Stauskas' being the PoY? Some idiot MSU slappy replied and said something about Gary Harris should be the PoY. Of course, though, Michigan fans (including myself) let that jackass have it.
I am very proud of you.
I would've said Gary Harris and Nebraska's coach were the front runners 2 weeks ago. I think Beilein and Stauskas caught them both.
Let's finish off IU with a great performance from both and take home the hardware!
Gary Harris is a high volume, low efficient player. No way does he deserve POY. IMO, he should not even be mentioned. One person above nailed it on the head... The guy is hitting 41.7% from the field and 34.7% from 3's. How in the hell does that get you player of the year unless your Dikembe Mutumbo defensively?
If Gary Harris got player of the year, it is a complete travesty. Payne is way more important to that team than Gary Harris.
* ADD * and i would pay to punch Valentine between those split teeth. Wannabee trash talking thug. There, my anger is out for the day. Back to work :)
His ORatings is 112.3 which is efficient.
Not sure what makes up ORating, but how in the hell is 41.7% and 34.7% translate to a good ORating?
Basically, if your highest volume shooter is shooting the above, you better have a seriously great defense and great rebounding team, or your under .500
effective field goal percentage, free throw rate, offensive rebounding, assists and turnovers are all taken into account.
COTY: Beilein...... However if Braska makes the Big Dance, Miles will get it.
I think Miles might deserve it if he gets NU to the tourney, though even then it shouldn't be a slam dunk.
If they don't make it...I mean, good for them for being not terrible, but it's hard to say you've done the best coaching job ever when your team isn't even one of the 68 best in the nation. In that situation, you'd have to think Beilein deserves it over Miles, cuz he turned a McGary injured 4 loss team into outright Big Ten champs. Gotta be worth something. Plus the guys been coaching his butt off for 3 years now, give him his due please.
Beilein did take a good team minus three contributors, turn them around and win the Big Ten.
As unlikely as that was, Miles took a Nebraska team which is generally awful and was fully expected to be the Big Ten's doormat, to the point where people were putting them near the tournament bubble.
As far as performance vs. expectation, I think Miles is a slam dunk. Beilein winning the Big Ten minus McGary is huge but not sure it'll be enough to beat Miles
You forgot the guy who is contending and maybe in the top 3 - RDM
For an alternate viewpoint from all the Miles love in this thread, see this Rod Beard piece: Michigan's John Beilein, Nik Stauskas vie for conference's top honors. I'm guessing Beard might have some insight into who has the inside track on both awards, and he seemed pretty positive about Beilein's chances. He mentioned Bo Ryan as another candidate, before saying that Miles "will get some consideration."
Nebraska will finish the conference at .500. That's great but COY isn't solely based on "performance versus expectation" it's also based on end results. When you win league championships you get the inside tracks for these accolades and rightfully so.
Also, Izzo has only 2 outright COY awards in the B1G so this one needs to get to JB so he can pass Izzo in a couple more seasons.
More than 25 minutes per game and a usage of approxiamately 20% or higher
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Kaminsky has been a more effecient scorer than Stauskas and with a higher usage. Ferrell, Marble, Harris and Ross have usages that are so much higher than Stauskas's usage that they should probably be put in a different table. (don't compare ortg accross usages, see the first note here)
Ferrell, Marble, Stauskas or Kaminsky would all be deserving of the award, though Stauskas's platform is essentially best offensive player on the best team.
As for coach of the year I have no idea how they pick those, but if you can go undefeated and win a national title in your second year with a football program and not win your conferences coach of the year award then it is probably not the sort of thing a reasonable person should spend much time trying to figure out. I'd vote Bo Ryan because he seems to be the only coach in the conference that has figured out that you should try to limit your opponents 3pt attempts.
if you consider possessions per game. No way the POY is a guy who sits 15 minutes a game.
The short answer is Nik is undoubtly B1G POY and Coach B is undoubtly B1G COY. Sure, there are other reasonable runner up candidates, but these are now etched in stone.
GR3 has done more in conference play than Adreian Payne.