I hope you're right.
Another shoe to drop in the shoe?
Kids, study hard in school and you might be a bagman someday.
I'm going to give this about 10 minutes to gauge reaction before I decide whether or not to delete this thread.
Sports by Brooks has about the same level of credibility as The Onion does--except The Onion doesn't make any bones about being full of shit.
edit: Hell, there are at least five serious spelling/grammar errors in that message by Brooks.
Also, OP, fix your formatting.
edit to the edit: Thanks for fixing the formatting.
Sprots By Brooks has been great at busting Ohio's asses. That alone makes his blog "credible" in my book. He writes like a tabloid guy sometimes, but he is usually pretty good at finding shit that other people miss.
The tiebreaker: he has a huge axe to grind with Ohio. That's good enough for me. Maybe he will dig up their verison of Ed Martin, and the shit can really hit the fan in Columbus.
You're saying that you think he's credible because he says things you want to hear about OSU?
Works for me.
We've gotta be close to a Bleacher Report-esque "NO SbB" rule, right?
I'm okay with that.
Brooks often sources his stories (and his non-stories). He may not understand his sources but the one time in five (ok, I'm being generous) he's onto something his blog has the link to the raw material and sometimes it's the only one.
Maybe he doesn't know what he's talking about most of the time and he's such an awful writer that it's hard to tell when he does. But that doesn't mean he's useless.
I think the spelling errors were intentional to be able to meet the characters limit on twitter.
I resemble that remark.
Does anyone here seriously believe that JT was the only one who knew about the extra benefits for Players?
If any other coach did know about the benefits, who other than JT's brother would be the
most llikely to do so?
The message to me seems plausible, despite the source.
First, if anyone thinks players at any top program can't get free/discounted tattoos, drinks, weed, etc, they're delusional.
Second, the source does matter. If Brooks tweeted a poorly spelled sentence saying Brady Hoke had brought in the last recruiting class and started so well with this one by cheating, everyone on this board would be dismissing him as an attention whore flinging shit against the wall hoping something would stick. Things should be no different in this case.
I don't know anyyoone here who said the source is irrelevant or that players elsewhere do not get extra benefits.
Most here are not talking about isolated instances of players getting benefits. The questions began with a coach, JT, who admitted lying to cover up many different types of illegal benefits. Is it so unreasonable to wonder if he ever talked to his brother, who he happened to hire as an assistant? If that brother/assistant did know about the illegal benefits, then was he too at fault for not reporting them to the NCAA? If he did know about the illegal benefits, then how far did his brotherly help to JT actually extend? Note that, until journalists pushed the envelope and the evidence about JT became incontrovertible, these same questions about JT himself were derided and discarded as scurrilous rumors. (even by the Ohio admin).
To be sure, it would be foolhardy to place blind trust in Brooks comments alone--or even in the RT from Fox sports/ Fox, News/Esquire.com. But that's a far cry from believing that the comments will be of interest and warrant discussion.
Thanks for allowing and contributing to this discussion.
So, you are cool with the everybody does it arguement?
Second, the source does matter, and while Brooks exaggerates, he doesn't fabricate. He's no Ace Williams.
might as well post updates on Ferris Bueller's statuf for class. I heard that Um, he's sick. My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious
that movie would've been implausible in a facebook/twitter world
I do this:
While I hope so, I seriously doubt anything big will come from this
I was going to say....has sports by brooks ever been right about anything? I mean aren't they below one ace williams?
Fox sports, fox news, esquire.com
We can all presume that something is coming down the pipe because Brooks indicated he's planning to report it.
I would enjoy watching Ohio burn if it was true.
I did wonder, recently, what the "world leader" was doing with their lawsuit and if any progress had occurred in that endeavor.
SportsbyBrooks is total and complete bullshit. Every article I read on Bleacher Report confirms this to be true so it must be so.
"I remember when, during the MoC scandal, JT replaced an apparently less "trusted" staff member with his own brother. I asked at the time, why he would do so."
It's nepotism. There doesn't have to be a reason outside of the obvious fact that he was giving his brother a job.
If this were an isolated incident, I would agree with you. However, it does strike me as curious, given the timing of the brother's hiring, the departure of his predecessor during the MoC scandal, evidence we now have thatJim Tressel was a liar and cheat, and--now--the content of this twitter message.
All I am saying is that the twitter quote woulld make sense to me in this context.
Also, ask yourself: Do you really believe that no other Ohio coaches knew about (or had a role in covering up) the extra benefits?
Don't forget that Tress also brought Bob Stoops' video coordinator on as QB coach. And the Walrus as offensive coordinator.
Tressel might have been a great on-field coach, but he was godawful at hiring assistants.
You're saying that offensive quality control to qb coah is not a typical promotion?
Every time I looked at Nick Siciliano I thought genius quarterback expert!
You mean another duke to drop in the toilet?
Let me preface this by saying I am an Ohio State fan.
1. Dick Tressel isn't on Urban's staff
2. Tried searching for @PSchrags original tweet and looks like it was deleted.
3. It's still SbB
I know he stayed on Fickel's staff
when Urban came in. Meyer much threw out pretty much the entire offensive staff, thank God. Other than Stan Drayton, I think it was a clean sweep.
Yeah he was on Fickell's staff but he the only people that we're retained by Urban were Fickelll, Vrabel and Drayton. Drayton is the new rb coach, used to coach with Urban at UF
If any of this is true this would mark an entirely new level of stupidity in that program. That said, highly doubt any of this has legs.
....so I wouldn't be surprised by anything, given the ridiculous Ohio fairy tale about JT's sole role in the scandal.
I'll wait for a reliable source to confirm anything. However, I hope there is nothing to this. I have grown tired of the (primarily) negative attention the Big 10 has gotten in recent years. I hope Ohio runs a clean program and has no more penalties, I want them at full strength and excuse free when UM beats there asses on the field. I wish every year could be like 2006 with the opposite end of season outcome, of course.
I hope for world peace and that this winter it snows chocolate bars.
I think mine is more realistic.
Given this guy's recent demonstration of his inability to even differentiate between colorful commentary and a direct quote I'm going to have to regretfully call bullshit.
I'm actually proud of twitterverse. This was 4 days ago and nobody has given a shit about it. People are finally ignoring Brooks.
I couldn't even view his twitter a while ago! I thought the folks at twitter themselves we're fed up!
Don't you think this would have come to light in the the NCAA investigation of the entire program?
Like most of this airbag's tweets, I suspect there's a kernal of truth to it, but that it doesn't amount to a hill of beans, despite his contention that he breaking Watergate level information.
just like the NCAA concluded that Tressel was telling the truth about Clarett and all the other players who said he helped them get illegal benefits--or concealed these benefits. Clearly, untrue. We know Tressel would never lie.
The reason to give it at least some weight is everyone with common sense knows the NCAA short legged their investigation on the Tressel issues. They basically let Ohio write the report and get it over with way quicker than the situation deserved. With that reality hovering over the whole deal, leaks coming out about how pervasive and blatant the Tressel era was in dubiously stockpiling talent shoud be of no surprise.
The source notwithstanding, the NCAA investigation was garbage and was designed to limit the scope while still providing appearance of serious punishment.
I would love for this to be legit, although I won't lose sleep if it isn't. However, it would do several things:
- It would put a spotlight on the NCAA and their failings.
- It would be a constant "drip, drip, drip" that would continue to hang over Ohio.
- It would make it easier for several recruits (Bosa, Treadwell, Isaac) to rule out going to Ohio.
I have always thought that there was an awful lot of stuff that never came out. (for instance, free loaner cars?) If the pressure ratchets up again, and a key insider or two cracks, that would be great. Frankly, it bugs me that Ohio basically skated after years of unfair advantage. Let them suffer more (another year of bowl ban? more lost scholarships?) to restore competitive balance.
I recall that, during the time of the Clarret investigation, Tressel's brother, after being brought in to replace a less trustworthy coach—was accused of having silently hooked players up with jobs that gave pay for no work. (I think the accusation came from Clarett but am not yet sure).
At that time, the NCAA evidently did not conclude that players got paid for little or no work--and they let Ohio off scot free---even though we now know it recently concluded that similar violations did occur under Jim Tressel.
Perhaps the sportwriters have dug up something related to this prior accusation--but I am merely speculating.
didn't come to Ohio State until 2004; Mo was long gone at that point.
but the investigation of the clarett matter, and the threat of further revelations, were not over. So, Jim Tressel needed someone he could "trust".
Yeah i know. I dont need you smart guys explaining the physical impossibility of deliveries to all the world's children. But just let me believe for 24 hours before the reality demands to be seen.
I would guess the SportsByBrooks info is not coming from the lawsuit. The documents released by OSU thus far have been out there for months, and it's bland stuff that's probably been combed through a thousand times.
The really good documents, which are the reason for the lawsuit, are still under lock and key. If ESPN wins then we all get to see them and we hopefully see a front page story or, inshallah, another major NCAA violation.
The Ohio Supreme Court hasn't released its opinion yet. They've been sitting on it for months, and I'm expecting to see a decision soon. I've been checking every day to no avail.
they all knew. They flaunted it, all over town. You can't go into a bar in Columbus without signed Buckeye memorabilia hanging from a wall. They're fukin' proud of it.
and the NCAA pretty much let off the hook with a slap on the wrist if they fired the coach.
The timing could be key.
I believe Emmert is going to ask the NCAA to ratchet up penalties during the NCAA board meeting this month . Assuming for the sake of delight that the new penalties are put in place, I wonder if they would reach back to OSU violations that occurred before the new penalties but were only discovered after the new penalties took effect.
But I hate to be an unscrupulous weasel even more. I won't throw a single stone till something is at least somewhat confirmed. If somebody runs into a theater and shouts FIRE, I don't assume the theater is burning down.
just because you question a superficial NCAA investigation and will not let these questions die. While I do not know if there is truth to the twitter accusations, and clearly said so, I also do not think that the matter should be closed.
Do you really think that Jim Tressel's brother--and everyone else at OSU--knew nothing about the extra benefits that players were getting? And if they knew and did nothing, weren't they too violating NCAA rules? And if they did so, on a wide scale, shouldn't the NCAA have come up with a determination of LOIC, and not the lesser, FTM charge?
Maybe it would be unlikely to expect the NCAA to change their ruling. However, complacency among the reading public almost assures this.
I agree. However, if you were watching a movie in a theater that had caught fire several times already and someone ran in and yelled FIRE, you might be more inclined to believe them.
This Sports by Brooks character is not playing with a full deck.
Dick Tressel left OSU after the 2011 season and was never on Meyer's staff. Just took a new job at MN college football program as OC (Carleton College).
Sourcing SbB should be grounds for a ban. If you believe anything anything from him/them, then you've probably also wired money to a man in Nigeria so you can receive your multi-million dollar inheritance. Good luck on getting that inheritance, OP.
maybe you want to ban him from Twitter too
while you are at it....
JT brought in his brother because he was a pretty good coach. After all, Look at the RB production we had from 2005 on. Pittman, Beanie, Herron all turned out well for us. Also, he helped recruit most of the current RB's on the team and we have very good depth there. So it's not like the guy was just some cronie that JT brought in as a yes man. After all, the RB's were our only offense at times during the last few years.
As far as SbB... well, I don't even think I have to add anything. Everyone knows how "dead on" he always is.
NEver trust Brooks.