As usual, some interesting remarks:
annual "recruiting experience" DetNews article
That was neat reading the likes and dislikes and why they did or didn't choose said school. I can see why Burbridge didn't choose U-M, it's not where his heart was and I can accept that, I want guys that love U-M and have their heart in it.
A lot of the guys that chose M you can really tell the love they have for the school, those guys will make an impact for sure.
Good read. It's actually refreshing to hear the negatives that these guys have in the recruiting process because most of the stuff on the mgoblog interviews is about the positives. I like that too but this seems a bit more real.
That was a great read. Very interesting. That should make people feel better about recruiting seeing that most of the guys on the list are going to Michigan.
They should really change the format with the kids who did not get MSU-UM offers. A simply look on rivals or scout and they could easily adjust the questions so those kids don't feel like crap for not getting an offer.
The Richardson story is odd. LSU and Bama offered him scholarships, but MSU didn't? It's their loss.
A kid from Cass Tech with offers from LSU, Bama, Michigan and Michigan State...what school doesn't fit?
Clearly it's State. Michigan fits because Cass Tech is a Michigan pipeline school so it can compete with LSU and Bama. MSU is definitely the odd man out of that group - it's no wonder why they didn't offer...they never had a shot.
must have been verbal, correct? They can't offer for sophmores, officially. Maybe he offered his family jobs as well....along with some snake oil.
Was striking too.
After watching that defense as a highschooler, I can see why it wouldn't be as desireable to play for RR as a defensive recruit.
Yup. It may not be completely fair, but very understandable.
"Why not U-M? I liked coach (Brady) Hoke a lot, too. He turned things around there. I just don't like Ann Arbor. It's a little too liberal for me."
"Michigan would have been great but I hate recycling and can't stand the smell of patchouli."
My cousin is a Senior at Flint Powers, played with Danny O for his whole high school career and he comes from a very conservative family and lives out in the Country. Ann Arbor is totally different than where DOB grew up, as is a city like East Lansing, but he felt like Knoxville, TN was more his style. It just speaks to how he was raised and that his decision was about where he felt comfortable.
College campus is liberal? Say it ain't so.
Someone posted a reply re: Garnett with two non-overlapping circles, one labeled "Comfort zone" the other "where the magic happpens" Seems pretty fitting here. I feel like kids (not just recruits) making decisions on colleges based on closeness to family, political leaning, or worst of all where their friends are going, are missing out on what college is all about, getting out of your comfort zone and meeting different people and viewpoints. It's a great big world out there, your sphere of experience as a high school student is very small indeed.
Ann Arbor is liberal...but let's not act like it's Cal-Davis or Brooklyn, NY (depending on your definition of liberal)
Danny, it's too liberal for me too. But I went anyway and had a great time. You don't have to actually permenently live and vote there just because you went to school there.
"...he was the linebackers coach, talked as if we (players from northern schools) were inferior." Not sure that's the best way to attract a player...just sayin'.
I will just say that I am happy Danny O'Brien chose Tennessee... That is all!
You would turn away good football players based on their political leanings? Thats a good way to loose about half of your recruiting base, regardless of which half.
If I'm not mistaken the comment you're talking about was in a live chat he said he likes hunting. Someone asked "bow hunting or with firearms". He said something to the extent of I am paraphrasing off memory here) "I like using guns b/c I'm white. That is why white people beat the Native Americans".
So while not PC, definitely not to the level of Wright's twitter in my opinion.
I'd say a good fraction of these kids (17-18 yrs old) if given enough time and chances to interact with fans will say something stupid. Thats why I tend to think twitter for highschoolers and "live chats" with fans are a terrible idea.
While I agree this isn't as bad as telling people how much he needs to get laid, it also isn't just some random dumb thing he said. That comment tells me there is much more going on than "he said something dumb in a live chat." Racist comments.....have fun at Tennessee.
Well, at least he said "Native Americans."
Racism isn't bad unless you're splashing Jewish people.
Is it racist to claim that whites had guns and native americans didn't? While somewhat insensitive, I'm not sure that is racism.
Yeah that sounds about right. It's racist.
I guess we'll agree to disagree. I just don't think saying something like "The British imperial conquest in Africa was aided by superior technology" is racist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxim_gun).
I mean, I do agree that saying "I'm white so I want to be like that" crosses a line though.
I'm with you on this. One of the fundamental points of Jared Diamond's Guns, Germs, and Steel is that the West conquered most of the rest of the world because of environmental factors that allowed it to produce guns...That said, saying that you like guns because you're white, with the possible implication that you're more advanced than American Indians, who even in 2012 (he appears to think) prefer bows, crosses a line and is stupid.
No one is denying that Europe's superior technological base allowed them to easily conquer many parts of the world. The deal is though when asked about hunting you don't say "I don't use a bow because the Native Americans used bows and they suck."
Beside as an Ann Arborite, bows are awesome because they make no noise and don't bring AAPD around to ask why all your neighbors called in screaming about WWIII happening because they heard you fire a .177 air pistol.
- Native Americans HAVE had firearms in the vast majority of their armed conflicts with the US so his point is more ignorant than anything.
- If it were true reciting it as fact would be neither racist nor insensitive.
- Surely Danny O'brien knows that Native Americans could freely buy firearms today, but he suggests that white people are naturally disposed to the technologically superior weapon. The subtext is obvious: white people = smart, native americans = backward. If you can't see the racism in it you are either dumb or playing dumb.
I'm less worried about the political correctness of the statement than how plain, goddamned stupid it makes O'Brien sound.
No, and it is like Coach Hoke has said "we are going to recruit guys who want to go to Michigan "... DOB chose Tennessee for his own reasons and I am fine with his decision. I want guys like Peewee Pipkins and Shane Morris! Players who covet the Michigan man brand.
God forbid someone doesn't agree with your political views.
I thought DOB's response about Ann Arbor was pretty funny. A2 is definitely a more liberal town than most in Michigan, but no more so than dozens of other college campuses.
At the same time, I'm not really sure how one picks up 'a liberal' vibe in the absence of 'Occupy' encampments, public Communist Party meetings, etc.
Consists of two tents in the little park on Liberty off of 5th(?).
Why would A2 need to occupied? It already is by the UM faculty.
LOL HAI GUYS POLITICS
I'm still not convinced that "Occupy Ann Arbor" isn't just some homeless guys using it as an excuse not to get evicted by the Cops for loitering or something
I think it's reputation by this point. There's nothing crazier in AA than you'd find anywhere else but it's rep was made in the 60's and has hardened in people's minds.
Fascinating tidbits of information. The one I would have like to hear more from was Ron Thompson to expand on this answer:
Why not U-M? It's not so much a negative about Michigan. Syracuse is just better because of the position (tight end) I play.
We know Hoke and Borges want to feature tight ends much more in the offense. It's frustrating that so many recruits at TE are going elsewhere. I don't blame recruits for watching certain teams through their high school year that have successful players at their position, and let's face it, Michigan wasn't a tight end school under RR's offensive philosophy. Koger was great this year, but it's almost like a catch 22: prospects want to see the TE used regularly,but we don't have the players to do that.
I miss the days of Riemersma, Joppru, Shea and so on......let's bring it back dammit!!
don't fall for that...
every spartan i know who didn't get into michigan, always would give a "reason" why they didn't go to michigan, that is, until i reminded them that they APPLIED and were REJECTED.
Ron had an unfortunate incident at school that no longer made his offer to UM commitable. Some of these quotes you just have to take with a grain of salt.
If it's a privacy issue...I'm not worried about it. But if it's public knowledge, what happened?
With all of the players I've seen lately complaining about the attention on their phones and on twitter, I feel dirty for reading half of the recruiting stuff I read (which isn't much in comparison to some). I can't help but wonder if it's possible our (some Michigan fans') obsession is getting a bit unhealthy/frantic and driving recruits away that might otherwise go blue.
If Michigans recruiting them it's likely other schools with fanbases just as if not more insane are following them as well. Personally I can't understand following on twitter or face booking but it's the way the world is now. If recruits don't like it, don't get on twitter and don't approve facebook friends. I HATE saying this as I would've hated having this kind of attention on me as a high school senior, but if the dacebooking and twittering bugs recruits they have the ability to mitigate it.
One of my high scool teammates was a high three, low four star DT depending on the scouting service. He set up a MySpace account (this was back before FB) and trolled the shit out of everyone. It was hilarious. Started about by posting questions from our physics exam and asking for help. People from various schools that offered him were tripping over themselves to send in answers and help him out.
He was told to stop by a coach about the time he started talking about gender reassignment surgery and becoming the first ever D-I female player.
The is probably the case. And since OSU is 100 times worse, no wonder they never get any good recruits...
Not trying to start a RR flamewar, but it's interesting how many comments from recruits and recruits' parents that if RR were still here, there's no way they would come here. I wonder if that's just because of his track record here or if it was something more than that.
Sometimes kids say things just because they think it will get a good reaction. At this point RR is a punch line so I don't pay to much attention either way.
From all accounts in the book he was a pretty good guy so it wouldn't seem like he made it a habit of offending recruits, but he may have had a disagreement with RJS or maybe RJS didn't like his personality. It happens all the time and doesn't mean 1 guy or the other was right. It did seem like he went out of his to make a point of it though.
Here is an inconvenient truth.... NONE of them had committable offers to Michigan.... Don't you just love some of the responses why they didnt go to UofM.... as if ANY of them had a committable offer.... I don't even think Burbridge had one.
and don't you just love Burbridge
1. failing to mention that he didn't have a committable offer
2. that he is on record saying he is more comfortable with the Michigan coaches.
I like that chip on Drake Johnson's shoulder. I hope he develops well, sees tons of playing time, and walks off the field after every Big Ten win muttering "Take THAT, bitch" to the opposing coach.
comment the very same thing. I think that it may be the best motivator out there. After watching the Brady 6 on ESPN, and how Brady went form 199 to (debatably) the best QB of all time - and even to this day he still feels like he has to prove something. That internal driver is a dangerous thing (for opposing LB's and DB's) if he can really harness his power in college. Should be fun to see how it unfolds. As a life-long Ann Arbor guy, I'm really rooting for Drake to be the surprise of this class.
His "Why not MSU" answer:
It was slow and they showed favoritism. It was boring to me. It was dry. It wasn't alive. At Michigan they were getting all hyped and stuff. At Michigan State they seemed to be going through the motions.
Maybe Dantonio was bored because Funchess wasn't a national recruit?
Favoritism? SUCH ACCUSATIONS WILL NOT BE TOLERATED!!
I would have to say that my favorite part of that article was seeing 9 "why not MSU" questions in the first 10 interviews.
Evan Winston does not seem to know the difference between "pursued" and "offered."
I wish we would've looked at Dennis Norfleet...those small guys have a place. Hopefully we go after Berkley Edwards for the 2013 class.
...was the quote from Ross:
On another trip south, I won't mention the school, but one coach, he was the linebackers coach, talked as if we (players from northern schools) were inferior. He talked about how slow we were.
If only because I had a conversation with some kid from Louisiana while I was down there for the Sugar Bowl along those lines. He did most of the talking, I did the dumbstruck listening. I think this is a prevailng thought down South.
We better beat Alabama. They're (those who chant "SEC" after and SEC team does anything right) even stupid enough to chant "SEC" as Michigan State is in the process of beating Georgia. This whole "Southern pride" meme as it pertains to college football is drawn out and sickening.
You spend 364 days a year violently hating someone, and then for 1 day your root for them because of "Southern Pride"? Is it just because there is no such thing as "Midwestern Pride"? Or are they just trying to still make up for the fact they lost a war to make most of the players their rooting for slaves instead of football players?
I think they're trying to get over their reputation for being lethargic & slow-witted due to their fomer hookworm problem.
Once again Terry has pretty much nothing positive to say about the school hes committed to. I dont have twitter but pretty much everytime I read an article that quotes Richardson the kid rubs me the wrong way, the way he talks makes it surprising to me he is still committed.