Blah Blah Manball, Blah Blah Blah Execute Better, Blah Coaching Blah Good Playcalling, Blah Blah Blah. Fluffy Kittens.
no wonder we hired Hunter Lochmann
Blah Blah Manball, Blah Blah Blah Execute Better, Blah Coaching Blah Good Playcalling, Blah Blah Blah. Fluffy Kittens.
Fat Albert is just doing this so he can go to the all-you-cant-eat pizza party at the Little Caesars Pizza Bowl.
My thought is if all the blame is on the youth of the line (which is a joke), shouldn't the coaching staff have seen this coming? One thing they could have done is went and got a couple of experienced linemen from a junior college to help the transition. .
I thought it has been a long-standing policy that Michigan did not accept JUCO transfers for Athletics?
I don't think it's a policy, it's just that transferring to Michigan, even as a normal student, is pretty hard.
And since some of those JUCO schools are basically "Bump your GPA up to a 2.5 anyway possible", it's not likely any JUCO guys could make it to Michigan
why not a graduate student transfer with one year left? like wisky did with QB wilson. hoke could have made it known but didn't. we could have used an addition for this year and next.
Comments made after the Jan. 1 2007 Rose Bowl against USC:
"USC center Ryan Kalil knew Michigan's defensive front had been feared most of the season, but he said the Trojans were totally prepared for everything they saw.
That's just pathetic. No changes from then to now. A real indictment of this program.
There was a time, in between 2007 and 2013, when Michigan began to run a dynamic offense that, by 2010, put up Conference-leading numbers.
Too bad it went away in games not against shitty opponents.
7, 10 and 7 against ohio.
17 in 2010 against state, 28 in a 20 point loss to wisconsin, 14 in a bowl game.
It was pathetic against teams with good defenses.
Thank you. If the opposing defense had a pulse, our offensive numbers were pretty pedestrian.
As opposed to pathetic against all opponents?
I hate to say this, but I actually kind of agree with you but with two notable exceptions:
The ND offense was as good as any RR 2010 offensive output. The Indiana offense was better than any RR 2010 offense. Those games were both examples of what the offense that Borges wants to run could look like, if executed well. Perfect balance of run and pass, long and short balls, etc. Just great offensive output. By contrast, I always found the RR 2010 offense when it worked not to be that the offense worked well, but that Denard was able to run by a lot of people, either by sheer athleticism or by crappy defensive play. The 2013 Indiana / ND games were more balanced.
All that said, the MSU / Nabraska / PSU games this season, as well as the Akron and Uconn games if you adjust for the fact that both of these teams unbelivably bad at playing tackle football, were worse than anything that RR put on the field. No excuses.
but "balanced" or not, the 2013 indiana offense at it's slowest tempo is 3X faster than anything Borges could muster. His lethargy is part of the problem.
Yeah, I also remember that offense. It dominated against every MAC team that it faced by 2010, and even against the lower B10 teams. How did it do against Ohio? Or MSU? Or in the Bowl game? Yeah, about as poorly as our horrible, pathetic 2013 offense.
Even with Denard, who really was a once in a decade level athlete, that dynamic offense of 2010 couldn't do shit against decent teams.
It struggled to score at willl against good defenses. that is not a criticism that sticks, IMO.
And there was this nugget from Miss State player K.J. Wright after THAT bowl game:
"I knew from watching film they were real predictable with what they were doing. I just looked at the formation and before the ball was snapped, Chris (White) and I knew what they were doing."
I'm not football-smart enough to give an answer to our issues, but there's evidence that no one scheme is the be all/end all.
I love you Wilford Brimley.
Every opponent on Michigan's schedule had one of its worst defensive days of the year in terms of total offense. With average field goal kicking, starting field position, and turnover generation rate, Denard wins the Heisman that year hands down.
Don, I can't imagine local talk radio right now. If I still lived in MI, i'd be listening to Xmas music all day.
Why do people always dismiss Thanksgiving? There is a holiday in between Halloween and Christmas, people.
But does Thanksgiving have MUSIC?
You don't know the classic, To Gut A Turkey? How about one of my favorites, Chase Your Cousins with the Gizzard?
I've always received Turk-Day (that's what we call it) presents. Cornicopias, traditional native american head dresses, traditional pilgrim attire to wear to school. You must be from the south.
Ferndale is south of some stuff
I can't speak for anyone else...
however, I see no reason to get excited about a fake ass celebration of the fact that we lied, killed, and decieved the native people to oblivion when we arrived here...
like the great NAS said 'I call your holiday hellday'.
The real story about Thanksgiving is sickening but we've brought a different meaning to it now. It is utterly deceiving but to take the principles away from what it's supposed to represent is something everyone can benefit from. Not knowing the truth, however, is doing yourself a major disservice like Nas so eloquently stated. Every nation witnesses the atrocities. People in power try to fulfill the prophecy, or something like that.
I listen to the local AA station WTKA most mornings from 6 till 10am. They do a fantastic job covering UM sports, and the hosts are (IMHO at least) very informed, passionate, and balanced. Some others here think they're nothing but homers, but it's highly unrealistic to expect radio guys who regularly interview coaches and players in featured live-on-location events to be calling for anybody's heads on the air.
While there is your standard proportion of callers into the show who are incensed that Hoke doesn't wear a headset or say the defense is doing a terrible job or assert that Devin Gardner isn't tough, for the most part callers into the show are very upset/unhappy/bewildered but fairly rational, given the subject.
I don't bother listening to shows coming out of Detroit or other locales, though. The few times I've heard segments of other shows, it's unbearable the amount of stupid that comes out of the pie holes of people who call in.
... By any player after losing to Bama? By any team that played RichRod's offense?
How about by people that play Oregon or Stanford say the same thing.
Defensively, we knew exactly what MSU was going to do on defense.
The point is:
1. Teams have a system and style and rarely change that dramatically because a player gets hurt or because they face a certain team.
2. It is a bad idea to really change up play calling with college kids. They are working on fundamentals and you want them to learn a bunch of new plays every week when things don't work?
3. Opposing players are ALMOST never going to admit they didn't know what was coming.
As long as you have a diverse enough play book (and Borges proved he does over these three years), the thing you need to win is great players and great execution.
The question is how long do you give Borges to coach em up?
He didn't come in and abandon Gardner or Shoelace. He adapted a bit. Aside from the recent swoon that coincides greatly with the OL personnel shift, the offenses have been okay. He is not what GERG was to the defense.
Give him time.
Most teams at this point have certain tendencies out of formations but this has become almost comical. I read a couple of weeks ago from a poster that every time Devin Funchess is in a TE that it's been run almost 95% time. I'd love to see the breakdown of the run pass percentages out of the I formation, Then spread when running the inverted veer and what routes are being run when the receivers are stacked like they are
The buckeyes are going to destroy Michigan. Yet again, I'm in the mode of "I cannot wait for this season to be over so we can look forward to next season."
The game will be somewhat close in the first half, as our defense will not be too tired yet. Ohio scores maybe 2 or 3 times in the first half. Then, in the second half, after the rails have finally come off for the offense after yet another three and out or turnover, the defense will just be tired and worn out. Ohio will score every series after that, running up the score. It'll be just like the end of the MSU game where the defense just crumbled after the offense failed on their last chance to make a game of it.
Our D is decent, but they'll get tired eventually having to be on the field so long without getting any rest. OSU is going to run up the score as high as they can, in part to help them with the voters for the title game.
I can't say I disagree with anything you said, especially your comment about runnin the score up. Meyer knows that he needs to continue to annihilate his opponents and beating Michigan handily on the road where Hoke is undefeated (oops, never mind that) would be good for the voters. He's coming for blood and I have a feeling this will be like the 2010 game where Michigan is just totally outmatched in every facet. That game, if you recall, was similar to what you just described. It was 14-7 at halftime and ended 37-7.
I wasn't even watching the game after the first quarter and could have been accused of clarvoyance.
I don't even let my cats see me do the same thing twice right before I feed them, otherwise they'd blitz the food bowl.
but Brian has been TELLING us in the offensive UFR's for the past two seasons that Borges' play-calling has been tipping plays by formation. And also that the play-action is bullshit and just for show. It was only a matter of time before every d-coordinator in the league that was any good figured out the same thing.
Good grief, anyone who has played a few games of Madden knows you can just call the same play out of the same formation every time. Why would you EVER want to give your opponent information about what you are running, outside of situations where you are setting up a misdirection play later in the game?
Any offensive coach in today's game that isn't running a significant number of run/pass options out of every formation so that the defense can't possibly know what is coming at them is worthless. Today's offenses are more complex and more disguised than EVER. This isn't the early 1980's.
Borges has been a complete failure. I don't think he's been a failure on the level of our defense under Rodriguez yet, but he is getting there.
I think this is the response to all the annoying idiots that like to show how smart they are by pulling the "How much experience do you have? I think Borges knows more than you!" argument. If this stuff is obvious to a blogger/computer engineer with no real football experience, imagine what actual experience defensive coordinators think when they see it.
Borges is garbage. That is known now. The same was true of our offense under Carr, though. Do you not think that a litany of teams fall under this same problem or it's just relegated to Michigan? This was a serious problem for the Cleveland Browns. Just because an armchair coach can decifer the play doesn't mean that the person calling the play has bad plays it just means he has well known tendencies and is a creature of habit. Most humans fall into this catergory.
the same was true of our offense under Carr at times, especially when we used to motion our H-back directly to where we were going to run every time (ugh I hated that) but Carr had about a 10,000 times better offensive line to work with. When your O-Line consists of almost nothing but upperclassmen future NFL players and you have Mike Hart running the ball, you can telegraph where you are going and still get 4.5 ypc.
The problem I have is that Borges REFUSES TO ADJUST. He bashes his brain out against a brick wall, and then, like the Black Knight in Monty Python, comes back for more. 22 carries for -40 yards? Who cares!! RUN IT UP THE MIDDLE!!!!!!
Carr usually got tired of having his brains beat in by halftime and would then let his stud QB and WR's de jour put up 300 yards of passing in the second half to try and pull out the game. Drove us nuts and didn't always work, but at least he was willing to give up on his gameplan when it didn't work. Borges seems incapable of ever giving up on his gameplan, no matter how many negative rushing yards it has accumulated.
You can't show your hand because then you feel as though since it has worked against all of these teams then it will always work. Don posted somewhere about USC knowing the plays that were coming and we saw what happened with that. It works against under matched opponents but not against your equals or those superior to you.
Borges is not good. I agree. He's undefendable (is that a word? I don't think it is. I will use it to reference Borges, though). That was very frustrating with Carr but what was the worst was his last game against Florida. Brutal because you saw what the team could have been all along. This team looks like air raid might be it's only salvation. That doesn't mean go Al Davis and deep ball it every time but a passing spread looks to be the only option at the moment.
this kinda makes me respect Devin, Fitz, and the entire O-line a whole lot more... I mean, we all kinda knew all along, however I was begining to wonder if our players just weren't that good: but what can you do when the defense knows your play? That we even get first downs is a miracle.
Generally, I am very content and comfortable when I find that I understand what the "blogosphere" is saying and I disagree with it.
Now I find I may agree. Something is terribly wrong - either with me or with the world.
"There is nothing redeeming about the Wolverines’ statistics from the Nebraska game. They were 3-of-15 on third down, including 1-of-7 in the second half."
In other unkind numbers, we were also outgained by an average of 1.36 yards per snap, but also managing a marginally worse performance than the MSU game on a yards per play basis actually. At MSU, we managed 2.85 yards per play. On Saturday, 2.78 yards per play. Also of note, this is the fourth game this year in which we've lost the third down battle, but we're 2-2 now in those games.
Our offense averages 9 TFL per game. Only Idaho is as bad. Only 4 other teams average as many as 8. The national median is less than 6.
Quote this Nebraska player's comment at the presser directly to Borges or gtfo.
He kept telling me over and over again "Don't worry, we can't stop the run, we can't stop anyone, we're completely and totally awful." To which my response was "oh no, don't you worry, you're going to stop us. The only way you don't stop us is if we actually start running out the shotgun on passing downs after we've set up the pass."
True to point, in the second half we lined up in manball formation and the second I saw the formation I said "and here comes a TFL..." and... ta da, -2 yard TFL. My buddy just laughed at how ridiculous it was that I could tell him exactly what was going to happen.
We're not at the place we we can line up and say "hey, we're running it, stop us." I don't know when, if ever, we'll get there but we clearly aren't there now so what gives? What piece of awful data is Borges holding on to that makes him think we can do that? Is he just trolling us until the ohio game at which point we run out of all our passing formations and throw out of all our rushing ones? And then actually, ya know, mixes in a bunch of random stuff just to screw with ohio?? I'm not even sure a win over ohio would save his job (nor should it). It would make me happy (albiet insanely frustrated) but, seriously, the guy needs to go...
I'd take UT's OC, Baylor's OC, Stanford's OC, Oregon's OC, A&M's OC, the list goes on and on...
Is it odd that Hoke is the only person who doesn't realize that Borges is a clown?
What a man speaks is not always indicitive of what he thinks. Give Hoke a chance to make a change before passing judgement on an unknown action.