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Angelique, If you let me, I'd kiss you . . .

The Article:

20-hour rule for NCAA athletes broken regularly

The link:

http://www.detnews.com/article/20090904/SPORTS0201/909040333/1131/?sourc...

She is placing the issue in context. Thanks for being fair!

Suggestions for a followup article:

1) Countable vs. Non-Countable hours
2) Going after freshman on media day without full disclosure of intent as it relates to Journalistic integrity.

Any other suggestions for Angelique?

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September 4th, 2009 at 8:31 AM | That was a fair assessment by (Score:1)
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That was a fair assessment by her. Honestly, I'm surprised by the numbers that were reported by the NCAA survey and the AFCA. I'd expect them to be higher. When I played baseball in college, we routinely went over the allotted time. This was at a mac level school too, so you know it's being done at the Stanford, Rice, and LSU's of the baseball world.

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September 4th, 2009 at 8:37 AM | Countable vs. Non-countable (Score:1)
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I can still hear the detractors in stereo: "Just because everyone else does it doesn't make it right." The article is a step in the right direction, objectively speaking.

Countable vs. Non-countable hours would be the real wet blanket on all this.

It's no good for a man to work in cages.
Hits the town, he drinks his wages.
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September 4th, 2009 at 8:50 AM | The Iss-yoo (Score:1)
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As I see it is that Rosenberg crossed the line with an agenda. He KNOWS this goes on everywhere. He KNOWS every university football team does it. And he also KNOWS the implications made everywhere with the old "involuntary workouts and drills" stuff.

He had the last 5 or 6 years of Lloyd Carr really meaning "involuntary"--even at the cost of wins and prestige--to contrast this to and to perpetuate his self righteous personal quest to undermine Rodriguez. Rosenberg has made himself the voice for the so-called Secret Cadre that exists within Michigan tha has been anti-Rich since Day One.

And you see the difference between Anglique Chengelis and Rosenberg. She may be a bit of a homer (and is there a problem with being a bit of a homer for a hometwon beat writer?), but Rosenberg has made this thing personal.

I can see the point being made about not having Rosenberg be the guy who wrote this type of piece. He crossed the line long agao and is an opinion writer. His opinion took him down this road and whether it is under a very false premise to interview the two freshmen or the "anonymous disgruntled players," the whole process reeks of bias and vendetta.

Ultimately the Freep is to blame. I'm not journalist, but this report and especially the article about the condo deal contain no hints of "reporting" and pure investigative journalism. Any editor worth his salt would have at least screamed "REWRITE!" or "KILL!"

And Rosenberg should be removed from anything UM from this point forward. Yeah, he can go digging all he wants, but the Freep should tell him that he can find another publisher for his stories on UM. ANY story, even if it's somehow a positive one.

That being said, it is what it is.

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September 4th, 2009 at 10:09 AM | to the best of my knowledge (Score:1)
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to the best of my knowledge (and excuse my ignorance for I don't live in the Detroit area) the Freep is in a lot of trouble, financially speaking. I think that probably a lot of people read that article and will continue to check the paper for more follow up. Whether the things he wrote in that article are right or wrong people will read them. The RR supporters will read it and get mad and the RR haters will read it and cheer. The operative word in all of that though is that they will read it. It may be complete garbage but I think the Freep is looking for anything that will get people to read the paper. I used to go to the Freep regularly but left it because they seemed to print one to two negative bits about UM and or RR every week. That seems to sell well because they keep doing it. Keep in mind a large section of the readers of the Freep are Buck-nuts and Spart-asses

Oh how I hate Ohio State

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September 4th, 2009 at 10:30 AM | Good article. Not so sure about the kissing business! (Score:1)
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This is a good article on a lot of levels which the previous posters have noted. This is why I'm sure the NCAA will ultimately do nothing UNLESS they suddenly get on a high horse and want to skew the facts and make a public example out of someone. If they stick to the letter of their EXTREMELY gray law, there's no way to rule that all those hours were not voluntary.

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