Everyone even remotely associated with the Michigan football program, including the fans, deserves better than Al Borges.
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Don't worry though, Hoke loves him some Borges.
as does the team in general, but probably no one more than DG and Lewan
all you "GARDNER SUCKZ, PUT IN THE BACKUP" dickheads can fucking fuck yourselves. Devin Gardner and the defense are all that's keeping our heads above water. Barely.
Not sure about that. For every awesome play he makes on his own, he screws one up. I'd call it a wash.
Great kid, but he makes a lot of mistakes.
He has been sacked 31 times this year(before today) of which 19 have come in the last 3 games. To say he's shell shocked is an understatement. Factor in that Funchess dropped at least 3 balls today, we can't run and the play calling is predictable. How good would you be?
To an extent. However, how many sacks were due to an inability to make a quick read or get rid of the ball. He is paralyzed by any whiff of pressure and it is costing the team significantly, when coupled with a bad oline.
that Borges continues to call. If the man had a running game to take the pressure off or a better designed passing game, you could fairly evaluate him.
...that some of the sacks weren't on him. I'm watching the same QB and he is inaccurate and often misses open reads. He may be shell-shocked because a lot of times when he throws the ball its at the other team; in fact, I would say he probably fears throwing the ball more than he fears being sacked. I know I do. I'm not questioning his heart; but we also can't ignore his play because he's upset after a game.
He has looked horrible and lost at times this year. But if it is not mostly due to the bad oline play, then how come he looked so much better last year? I am not arguing here. I'm trying to wrap my head around why he looks this bad at times.
that's not exactly true. Devin is not playing well, I'm sure even he would tell you that.
I dont think the takeaway here is that DG is doing well, I think the takeaway is that he's a really great guy, who cares deeply about the team, gives everything he has, and doesn't ever deserve to have his heart questioned.
But that's not the same thing as being critcism-proof for his play, even if there are myriad explanations for why he's not playing well.
Yes, he certainly isn't criticism-proof. The fumble was all on him. But he's all we have. He hasn't developed, at least in terms of decision-making and reading defenses, under Borges, and the offensive line puts a ton of pressure on him, since he has no running game to support him and he is continually blitzed into oblivion.
I appreciate his toughness and resilience. He looks very hurt. He just isn't the player we thought he would be this year.
I feel bad for the kid but you can't honestly think he's playing well. Runs backwards 10 yards on inevitable sacks, doesn't throw it away, and has fumbled more times than I can even remember. I can't stand Borges and hope he's fired but you can't blame him for Gardner not holding onto the ball. Anyone know how many fumbles DG has actually had this year???
I disagree. Someone in the offense is putting WAAAAAY too much stock into DG's running ability. DG should be less eager to forego passing for his run. He consistently hesitates too much on his throws when there is a legitimately open receiver until that receiver does, in fact, become covered or DG gets sacked or DG breaks into a usually unsuccessful run.
Borge's playcalling doesn't exactly set DG up for success, but I lay at least as much responsibility on DGs doorstep.
Ironically, he was a victim of his success at running the ball early in the season followed by some unlucky interceptions which caused him to favor running WAAAAY too much when he makes his progressions.
That would be true no matter what plays would be called.
I do agree that there is no reasonable alternative in putting Morris in. So we just have to suck it up.
I also agree that DG has no shortage in heart. He wants to win, and he is crushed. I am sure he feels like he's hosed when he runs and hosed when he passes, which is leading him to analysis paralysis when he's in the pocket and it is KILLING him. I feel for the kid.
But even if I like DG, a LOT of this is on him. Not for lack of desire, but he's not seeing the open receivers. And he's seeing running holes that don't exist. And his offensive line isn't giving him a chance to get his head recalibated.
PREACH, Monocle. Yes.
I feel bad for the guy. He has to work with a terrible QB coach and a horrid offensive line. One fumble doesn't change that.
Bleh, feel so bad for the guy. I just tweeted an encouraging message to him, then felt dumb because it is probably meaningless coming from a random fan.
Either way, just hope that he keeps plugging away. He had a rough game, but without him I truly believe this is a 5-7 season at best.
Tweeting student athletes?
Tweeting words of encouragement should not be frowned upon.
Nope. It's about as creepy as it gets this side of tweeting high school athletes.
While I agree that tweeting recruits is creepy, I think there is a difference between a recruit and a kid who is already on the team.
Also, Twitter isn't Facebook.
Fans being able to tweet Devin Gardner "Go Blue!" is pretty much the entire reason Twitter exists.
He's not messaging a small child you fucking twit. DG is basically an adult, and how a fan sending him an encouraging message is "creepy" is beyond me.
In before GMHW tweets players, I don't use that shit.
What if the MGoPoster is a 12 year old? Or a fellow student? Does this change the "creep" factor? I think it would. I don't mind it if encouraging tweets are sent by anyone, at any age.
I don't think it's meaningless. Gardner has, more than once this season, acknowledged the hateful things people say to him/the team via social media. (Jeremy Gallon actually fights with people on Instagram, which. Stop that, Jeremy Gallon.) Anyway my point is, I'm sure the supportive stuff is at least nice to read.
Hateful things to him via social media? That's f$%#ed up.
These are just kids, playing their hearts out, probably not even fully understanding the nature of the sacrifices they are making every Saturday for our entertainment. Even when we don't like the score.
Even if I, personally, am not high on DGs performance this season, I have no illusions that he is not doing his absolute best under an ENORMOUS amount of pressure in a situation not designed to maximize his chances of success.
I can't imagine these poor kids having to deal with the bullcrrap of tweets and the internet in general regarding their performance, and they haven't even graduated from college yet.
There should be keyboard license required before being allowed onto the internet.
Yeah, it's awful. I try to stay away from Twitter/Instagram after games exactly for this reason - people are hateful when they're anonymous and behind a keyboard, and seeing the vitriol in your own fanbase sucks. They're college kids. I'm sure some of us say this stuff in our living rooms, but it's a whole other snakelike evil thing to say something directly to them.
Devin Gardner appreciation thread?
But it was deleted for no reason. I posted it because I had insider knowledge regarding Gardner's state of mind but that was ignored because it got mistakenly lumped in with missing out on Hand.
Good reminder that these are not automatons, but actual human beings, with feelings, and thoughts, and plenty of shit to deal with already. They don't need endless heaps of trash from fans and other people telling them to "Go die," or to "Go fuck urself, u suk!"
I just cringe thinking about a player, a coach, or maybe one of their family members reading the open threads.
Someone actually wrote this about Courtney Avery:
Courntey Avery He is a garbage as bitch go back to warming the bench u piece of shit
One of the reasons I chart the swearing in the Open Threads is the possibly vain hope that people will see just how ridiculous it is to get personal on this level. Not that many learn the lesson, but that it is a different story.
It has been repeated all year - criticize performance all you want, but when you're saying things like that about Avery, for example, turn off the game and read a book. When you feel compelled to get personal and/or profane like that, it is time to walk away.
Really? That's why you do it? I totally misunderstood the purposes of those threads, then. I thought it was supposed to be a "well, this season is really frustrating, might as well have some fun with how disappointed we all are" kind of thing. Like a mini-TWIS with charts, just for the board.
Welp, totally mis-read that one...
(But yes, I looked at the open thread for the first time all season and closed it after seeing someone talk about Fitz starting and Avery playing. People need to really evaluate their priorities and behaviors. GO FITZ! GO COURTNEY!)
Well, it is that too. Actually, I have fun with it and it is MGoTWIS, but I do hope that people see that and maybe someone says, "Wow, maybe I shouldn't say these things..."
I think dropping a "fuck" or "goddamit" at a fumble or INT is acceptable -- it's more of an utternace than directed at a player.
I agree. That's the part of it that is basically fun and MGoTWIS - I say those things sitting here (I did a lot of that today), and I would expect nothing less than similar frustration at those moments. There's a diary coming probably in December that will outline the seedier side of the profanity, of course.
I'm sure the pinnacle of this commenter's athletic achievement was the time he beat his stoned roommate at Madden in 2011.
This made me laugh out loud. Well done.
Michigan plays on a very large public stages and its coaches are paid a fortune. If they can't produce results, the coaching staff deserves criticsm. and replacement if they can't take it, go do something else.
I think it is appropriiate to critique a player but it is not acceptable to go after them personally.
This is just sad. Sad. Sad. Sad.
Someone needs to tell him that loss wasn't on him. I think he's better than what the stats give him credit for. Fergodsakes he's out there doing the best he can even without the guidance of a QB coach. He deserves more credit than we give him.
would have whipped these guys into shape by now.
maybe a legend?
i agree, lewan seems more like a punk than a leader.. just IMO
an old, fat, rich man around on his back.
Al owes this kid a lot more than he has been giving him.
cleaned toliets as poorly as Borges calls an offense he would be fired...I don't get it. This man is stealing money and ruining peoples years while doing so.
Borges fools people into thinking all his technical football talk means he's a good offensive coordinator. That was the buzz on him when first brought to Michigan ... he's an "offensive genius." Like hell.
Borges can't possibly survive into next season. If he does, then Hoke is banking his career on Borges. I don't think that's going to happen. I think we'll see Borges step away, and I think that'll be the last time he coaches at a big-name school. It's lesser schools from here out for Borges.
Gardner is a great person and talented football player. But he is not the QB Hoke or Borges would recruit.
Maybe not, but fuck you. He's the QB. You don't sink the ship just because you didn't pick some of the crew.
I think he's criticizing Hoke and Borges more than Gardner. Your response is a bit harsh either way.
They want the player who handles the ball the most to be less athletic. Because that's what a manly, manly man should want.
/not a shot at you or what you said - just venting frustration
The entire progam decided to go back to a more traditional style of offense when Hoke was hired. When Denard was here with the RichRod leftovers it really wasn't practical to switch immediately.
But as they recruited players more suited to the new style, they had to flip the switch at some point. Devin is in no man's land, recruited by RichRod and utilized in a Hoke style offense. He's somewhat better suited than Denard, but not totally.
That's why I can't really be overly upset at Devin or the staff. It's growing pains, and I still think it will pay off in a couple years when our O-line has matured and Morris is handing off to Green and pitching to Campbell and Funchess - and maybe Peppers in there for good measure.
These players devote an insane amount of time and themselves to play at Michigan. Their lack of fulfillment from their hard work is the true tragedy of the poor coaching, not the fans' discontent
especially at this level. Their play is always going to reflect their coaching.
I appreciate Devin's dedication to the program, but he has hurt us way too much this year.
It's not all his fault, Borges, lack of a QB coach, O-Line, etc., but he is not good at reading defenses, holds the ball too long, doesn't use good judgement in the pocket on when to run, has made a myriad of mental mistakes.
I just hope Morris gets a fair shot at the QB job, I want Hoke to keep his promise of giving young guys a fair shot of starting or playing more. I'm sorry but Gardner has been a huge issue for us this year.
Get mad at me all you want, what we're seeing on the field tells the story. I will say that Funchess had a really bad game today and that hurt a lot.
Eh, I think you're misunderstanding my intentions. I'm not trying to defend the teams play on the field, just that ultimately we're just spectators. These guys are feeling a whole lot worse than any of us are
He's a tough kid who isn't a perfect QB but who isn't getting much help either. DG has shown a ton of heart this year, and he's never made an excuse - at least as I've seen. He's done everything you'd hope from a player in a circumstance like this. He doesn't need to apologize to anyone. I'm glad he's Michigan's QB.
Right now especially in the immediate "now" right after the game, it is easy to allow emotions overwhelm the more rational parts of the mind. There is an old piece of advice from work. When something really ticks you off, write a letter and put it in a drawer. Then tomorrow take a look and re-read it - often you'll see a calmer more rational tone.
Everyone is disappointed - PSU, Neb and Iowa were far worse than MSU because the first three games were winnable. It was very clear that after the first 7 minutes, MSU was better in all phases of the game (off, def, sp team, coaching).
So rant and rave as you want but please don't question whether the kids had guts or wanted it bad enough or some other non-sense. The kids on this team, especially the ones who have a larger public presence showed in general a lot of guts and class in holding together, not being defeatist or back biting in public. They won't finish with a great record but I'll always remember them for their courage of going out there (when it is clear that they weren't being give helpful prep or training) and still took their lumps.
Earlier in the week Brian posted a bit from the old British show Blackadder (Rowan Atkinson at his best) and poked fun at the predictable repetitive Michigan offense. He didn't show the ending - it is available on youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vH3-Gt7mgyM
Like Captain Blackadder, Gardner and the rest of the Wolverines went over the top armed with a stick against a heavy machine gun - they did their duty and followed their leaders. So post, rant and say what you will but don't ever question their guts or committment or some other non-sense.
DG is still low on game experience. You can't expect him to carry the load of not having a decent run game and O-line. If we can run the ball and protect him better next year he will reward us.
It's not your fault, Devin. It's not your fault. You didn't sign up for this coaching staff. The staff you signed up for is up 21-9 on No. 5 Oregon right now.
Why go there in a thread that was to appreciate Gardner's dedication to Michigan, his teammates, and us fans?
By the way, if their defense doesn't choke it away, Arizona will be 7-4.
you clearly don't comprehend english very well..
He said IF their defense doesn't choke it away they are 7-4
Devin is a great kid and if this isn't enough to get DB's attention, shame on him
I hate you Al Borges.
I have a world of respect fro Devin and players aren't perfect. I feel for him being so down and caring so much. But to turn that into anger against Borges is... ill advised.
No. For manipulating Gardner into thinking that fumble was the sole reason we lost.
Are you serious? I can't tell.
How do you know that Borges "manipulated" him into feeling that way? A lot of star athletes are their own worst critics.
Borges also shot Lincoln, and found the lost valley of Shangri-La but wont tell anyone where it is because he's a meany pants. Don't you know?
I feel bad for DG. You can't put everything on him. He has no run game, his line is suspect, and most of his coaches are inept. The kid's taken more punishment, then any Michigan QB i can remember. He's a gamer, and I have a lot of respect for him.
You've always got my support, Gardner. The stat line and scoreboard doesn't tell us anything about heart and effort, both of which I'm sure you've given more than your fair share of. You've been a damn warrior back there the past few weeks, knowing you're going to take a beating from opposing D-Lines.
Thanks for hanging tough, bud.
God almighty that makes me fucking mad. That poor dude-shouldering the blame for his incompetent OC-is showing more emotion and passion than Hoke n Borges will put together times 2.
This needs to be upvoted into infinity. DG always had my respect -- he was taken and moved to receiver and back to QB at a whim and I was REALLY excited from what I saw of him last year. The talent is there -- he was a top recruit out of HS and did well in his limited action last year.
Goddamn it, I need an upvote button for moments like these. Gardner's got courage and willingness to be accountable. He sets an example the coaches should follow.
Exactly, especially after watching Hoke's postgame presser.. Blaming it on the players again..
Are you fucking kidding me hoke.. He mentioned the players need to play better?
How about your fat ass and borges fat lazy ass coach better? What a joke staff this is
Posts like these are indicative if the state of our program. Devin Gardner is not a great college QB and Al Borges is not helping him play to the upper bounds of his limits (in fact, he's promoting performance well below his potential).
Best case scenario, we are at least 5 years from being past having to "feel bad" for players or "remember they are just kids." Al isn't going anywhere for at least a year, and even if he did, Devin isn't going to cut the mustard against our rivals. What's worse is that I have no faith that anyone on the staff is giving Morris an ounce of the attention he needs to develop and play at the college level.
Our program is pathetic and this post is an embarrassment to college athletics. Go watch your own kid's team if you want to feel bad for tired, sore or downtrodden kids. We need to get first downs and win football games.
I think it is possible to appreciate Devin for his toughness and leadership, and still point out that his decision making needs some work. It is a matter of perspective and presentation. I love the guy for the way he hangs in there and what he does. I just wish he could be more decisive and find the open reciever sooner. However, an injury would explain why he isn't more decisive on the run.
I don't think any loss is all on one player. That is crazy. I hope his teammates tell him to keep his head up.
Stay strong dude. As a fan I still and will always GO BLUE
A voice of sanity
Gardner is BAD..and has he has ALL SEASON LONG he turns the ball over in critical situations..
Ya, Denard was just bad too right? Record setting QB under RR, horrible under Borges. I'm sure it's the player though, not the coaching.
Had a pretty damn good year, won 11 games and a Sugar Bowl, which is 4 more games than he won with RR. Now, get your data straight and recall the facts that the records Denard set under RR were against the bottom half of the B1G.....
And was coached fucking horribly to lose to winnable games against Iowa and MSU...
Somehow he thought he was a drop back QB in those games
I mean, real bad. The guy couldn't have gotten Desmond even an invite to New York if his life depended on it.
How great would it be if t here was an offensive coordinator at Michigan who took these losses to heart this way? After all Borges has done much more to destroy Michigan's offense than anything the players could do.
In Borges' defense, I've seen him walk through the Blue Lot after big wins looking like he just went to his own funeral. Hell, after OSU in '11, he looked more like he was on the verge of throwing himself off a cliff than a guy who just helped to engineer a rivalry win. Guy seems to put a lot of pressure on himself, even if the results don't necessarily indicate it.
I've seen the transcripts of his press conferences. He just says meaningless things to reporters like every other coach in the world! That is NOT ACCEPTABLE!!! Doesn't he know how upset I am that he called a play that didn't work? My weekend isn't as much fun now!!! He needs to come to my house, say he is sorry to me personally and let my dog eat out his eyes. Then, Bandon needs to let me fire him. You see, I need his pain to validate my emptiness after a loss. The Smiths songs just don't do it anymore.
/s (yes, I think the /s is necessary.)
Ha ha, thanks for the laugh.
AND PUT ON A HEADSET, BRADY HOKE! I GET SO ANGRY THAT YOU DON'T WEAR A HEADSET! IT KEEPS ME UP AT NIGHT AND MAKES ME BEAT MY DOG! ARRRRRGGGHHGHHGHG!!!
Chunks: What's the mood like right now at the UGLi (or Union), from your seat at the computer? Are the students restless? What's the security situation like- you alright? We need you on this board, and a "vagrancy" charge or something would mess that up.
Stay strong out there this winter.
"Guy seems to put a lot of pressure on himself"
Probably because he knows he's a fraud and he's afraid of being exposed as such.
I'm totally on the anti-Borges bandwagon after this game. 158 yards total offense. Sheesh.
Just because he's not getting results does not mean he doesn't care
Okay ... I never said or implied anything to the contrary.
He can care all he wants. It is results that he's being paid to produce.
He's not producing results. No objective analysis of the season's offensive statistics -- and in particular the trend of those statistics -- would yield any other conclusion.
My point is that to the extent he exhibits symptoms of stress, it's because he is trying very hard to hide the fact he's simply not an elite OC.
Feel bad for Devin, he is taking a carpet bombing out there every week. This was the "cleanest" week he had. I don't doubt his heart but his development has been very poor this year. He looked Vince Youngish vs Notre Dame but it has been really down hill since ...that INT for TD in 2nd half vs ND seemed to be the start. He looked bad for a few series until Fitz made a big play and then got his confidence back. Then the Akron game with all the turnovers, then UConn. He has not recovered.
He has gone from a mistake prone risk taker early in the year, to a risk averse tackling dummy post Minnesota. I think his last 2 games have been his poorest - last week he should have been intercepted 3-5x by any reasonable measure and today he, for the first time in a while, had plenty of time in pass protect and continued to go to first option and make a lot of ill advised poor decision but he is also shell shocked by this moment. So what is 3 seconds to us in the pocket, probably feels like 0.5 seconds to him as he now expects to get blown up on every drop back. His WRs also played awful for him this week - Funchess with 4 drops I believe, and Gallon with a drop. And no run game whatsover obviously.
I hope he is resilient and comes back in the spring rested, relaxed, and with clear mind. I hope his ability to read defenses takes about 4 steps because he needs that. His OL next year I fear is not going to help him much again. It is just a sad situation.
Thank you for the perspective b/c I needed it. But man, I can't wait for this season to end. Next year HAS to be better, right?
I am frustrated with the coaches, frustrated with the results, frustrated by the fact that we have been so far below our rivals for so long. But, I feel for the kids. They continue to fight and do their best. And, although they aren't really kids, they also aren't quite grown men yet either. They are young guys trying to grow up to become men, and they are working their tails off against a lot of adversity. I feel for them, but I am still frustrated as heck that MSU continues to roll and exceed expectations every year while we do the opposite. And, I can't even compare us in any way to OSU. They jumped so far ahead of us in such a short time it's not even funny.
Not angry with Devin. Angry with coaches and the fact we're getting owned on offense.
Bullshit. Hoke preaches to the media about not coming after players and then lets an obviously downtrodden DG go to the podium and emotionally and irrationally take the blame for his pathetic OC's moronic shortcomings. I officially pull any support I had left for the current U of M staff. Fuck the Hoke regime. Fire them all.
If so, I support what you said, but I don't think you know. And, even if he does is that a decision he would make right after the game? You're also assuming Hoke knows Gardner's mental state afterwards and assuming they have already talked prior to him talking to the media. I doubt Hoke decides after every game who talks and who doesn't, and only does so after speaking with each player individually first. I have a feeling the PR guy does that. I question the coaches on a lot things, but I'm not sure that's a fair criticism.
What kind of coach who purports to know and love his players so much can't just look at one of them to see they're not doing so hot and say "you deserve a break from the media today"? Hoke's inaction speaks volumes.
Realistically, how quickly after the game do you think Gardner talks to the media? He still has his pads on. I'm sure Hoke has a thousand responsibilities after the game. I would not be at all surprised if Hoke never gets the chance to talk to Gardner after the game prior to either one of them talking to the media.
There are plenty of legitimate issues to be raised regarding our coaching staff, but this is not one of them.
Complaining about our players being allowed to speak with the press, which is a routine obligation, is not rational. That's a "scorned ex-girlfriend" kind of complaint - where you're so upset about the team losing that you've come to hate everything the coach does. (Complaints about Hoke's attire and "lack of emotion" are some others in this category.)
Are you kidding me?
They're his players... he absolutely can override something like that.
Can you honestly see Dave Ablauf saying something like "Sorry coach but the PR department really needs Devin for this... overruled."
@ jhender +1
I'm sorry but this post is hilarious.
Actually made me LOL.
Come on, this is ridiculous. College players across the country face the media after losses - it's part of what they do. It's grasping at straws to vilify Hoke over permitting a routine postgame procedure to take place.
Jesus, I hate these coaches even more now. Gardner is like an abused spouse blaming himself.
at the time, to feel like the glaring thing you did to end the game, decisively for the other team, is entirely on you.
But as you get older and look back, a ton of other missed opportunities/mistakes in the other 58 minutes were just as bad as yours, however it just happened at a key moment in the game.
My frame of reference is baseball. I've thrown tens of thousands of pitches, and had terrible games, given up grand slams, key hits in relief that "lost the game" so to speak. I took a lot of that hard. But I never gave up the rock and went back to first base.
My example is not D1 football, Im not an elite athlete, and I'm not DG, but in my mind its somewhat similar. It really builds mental toughness. 25 years later, I can take criticism from anyone and not feel bad. I know if I'm doing a good job or not, and I know what I have to work on. Its not baseball anymore, obviously, but the lessons carry over into life.
Devin's giving us all he has, he cares about the team, he's emotionally invested despite the other fails earlier in the game, he never blames anyone else. What more can you ask for? I can't think of much. In the end, its still a game. Albeit played on a national stage with multimillions of dollars surrounding the events and teams, but its a game.
For anyone to be hyper critical of a player like that, in my mind, demonstrates true lack of perspective, or having ever been in organized competition.
I was at the game today, and even with how cold it was (18 at kick-off), I had a great time. I had my season-ending near cardiac event when we lost to Penn State. Since then, I have been serene about the team, screaming during the games, but later just understanding that it is not our year for a million different reasons.
After we had the pick-six at the beginning of the game, Kinnick was pretty quiet until the freakin' 3rd quarter. Then hell was slowly unleashed on the field and in the stands. All the Hawkeye fans were cool, and I recommend coming to Iowa City for a game (especially when it's warmer!)
I think we are going to be more competitive than people expect against Ohio State, but we still lose by two scores. Then, we win our bowl game (how, I have no idea - maybe Chesson and Green give us hope for 2014).
I think we are going to be more competitive than people expect against Ohio State, but we still lose by two scores.
I hope you're right; I fear you're not.
One of my favorite road venues since it is only a 6 hour drive for me. Illini fans are a little more rowdier but I like the old stadium there. Have not been to EL or OSU for a game but they are too far for me to drive on a weekend off. I try to take in one early September UM game at the big house when I'm up visiting family.
I remember the '03 loss. It was a good game so no complaints. Even the Iowa fans were telling me that Michigan was a great team. I had a good time and it was such a good game, even though we lost!
I have hope for Chesson, but not when Gardner never progresses thru his checks.. Chesson blew by everyone straight up the field in i think the 4th quarter for a wide open touchdown and instead Gardner threw to Toussaint for that screen
DG you're going to have a superior education and you're a very good person. You shouldn't hang your head you should be proud. You gave your all and never quit. It's amazing you can even walk after the last three weeks. You didn't lose this game today.
I'm just afraid he's gonna leave early for the draft. /s /meInAugust
But he could try out as a FA. Though I think one more season will be good for him.
It is easy to be disapointed - but those guys gave it their all.
I don't understand people blaming DG for this disaster. He has been under borges for almost 3 years now. borges is his qb coach. He obviously has not been taught how to play the position. He looked better last year just playing on instincts. this has to tell you that borges is completly incompetent. He cannot coach a mobile qb and he cannot call plays that suit his team. Any one blaming Devin has not ever played ball at any level. With the beating he has taken I can't believe he is even out there right now.
I think he is a warrior and a talented football playter with no guidance. I thank him for giving his all for MICHIGAN.
This is what I was telling my dad yesterday, Devin came in with minimal QB experience and training last year and looked great at times. With an entire offseason being prepared under Borges, Devin looks confused and slow. His confidence is obviously shot. If Hoke doesn't fire Borges then it shows that he's more loyal to his coaches than he is his players.
And that he is a great kid, but he just hasn't proved to be much of a quarterback. He is a great representative of Michigan as a person, but I honestly don't know that he gives michigan the best chance of winning. Outside of nd, think of all the missed open receivers, bad reads, etc, when he had plenty of time to throw.
I'm not sure many of us understand the psyches and dedication of these relatively young and emotional adults. A long time ago a first sergeant reminded me before an important mission, "Sir, none of these soldiers wants to fail, and they don't want the unit to fail. Never forget that."
That's good wisdom. Also above, about the pitches. I agree with all of these sentiments. These types of things build mental toughness, and the way Devin has handled things, to me, is the way you want a player (or yourself in your career, or an employee; any thing that requires effort, commitment, teamwork, and emotional investment)...to respond. He doesn't point fingers, and he asks "what could I have done better?" He's a hell of a leader in that regard.
Why not let him go out and earn his own retired number? That was all so dang premature. Heck Henne did way more than DG did at equivalent points in their careers. Way too much marketing and way too little development going on at M. Nice package (updgraded facility) but mediocre (by most standards) if not awful (by M's) product. Nobody underachieves their recruiting classes by a wider margin than this management team. They did hex DG.
is really in to ancestor worship.
Only with our eyes firmly directed to the past can we ensure that the 2x4 called the future smacks us squarely right upside the head.
He still has a lot of potential but he's been beaten up too much this season and has lost his confidence. I was hoping the team would play well and he would continue with his OT success against NW but that did not happen. Gardner will just have to try hard against OSU, even if we get blown up. Just don't quit and work hard during bowl practice and into next spring.
and decide to block some of the defenders during the next game? That would be a nice thing to do.
Take your maize and blue glasses off and Gardner has been a problem all year. He will never even sniff the NFL. He isn't accurate enough and isn't capable of reading defenses. Fitz is just as bad. He goes down instantly when he feels contact. This team just isn't very good. The offense is to blame more than anything. Blame Borges, but his players aren't exactly world beaters either.