I guess he's taking the loss like man.
Peppers at 10, which seems low.
I guess he's taking the loss like man.
Why can't I +10?
because i didn't know that. why didn't anyone tell me that ohio st would beat wisconsin 9 out of 10 times? i hate being out of the loop...
Pryor's "everybody" also steals and kills.
even i know everyone steals and kills. i mean, who do you know that doesn't do those things?
they also know that tUofOSU are not going to win a national championship this year.
I might not kill or steal from people, but if I lived ten lives, you know 9 times out of 10 I would be a murdering burglar
I don't agree with this at all . IMO wisc is a better team . TP and this offense can't score on a good D . He plays a team like Purdue who has no D puts up 40+ and thinks he is god once again . IMO Michigan beats OSU this year . Y you ask because by the end of the year our freshman will have exp. our first year qb will have exp. and our team will be playing as a unit. OSU wins if the D can stop the O and IMO this will not happen . We moved the ball all day on Iowa a much better D and by the end of the year the turnover bug should be gone ..
Go Blue !!!!
I fear the Badgers might just be able to run 100% of the time right down our throats for TDs on every possession. I hope I'm wrong, but the matchup seems terrible to me.
And they and Wiscy look like identical twins.
please run run run. that's our only `chance. at least the D occasionally stops the run. the pass? not so much.
How on Earth could you equate Wisconsin's offense with Iowa's? I'm genuinely curious, because I can't see it. Wisconsin's personnel is superior to Iowa's (saving possibly DJK and Stanzi). Clay, Ball, and White are much better than Robinson (individually and as a unit), and Wisconsin's OL is far better than Iowa's. There's no comparison whatsoever.
Wisconsin scores 35.6 ppg, Iowa scores 33.7 ppg. Wisconsin averages 423 ypg, Iowa averages 413 ypg.
Besides, they just played a very even game that ended 31-30... so I think it's safe to say that the two offenses are relatively even.
Oh, sure . . . drag facts into it.
I broke board protocol. My mistake. What I meant was, "HURR, your wrong because your a moran. Moran."
But we would like to see this place NOT become mlive.
75% of all people know that
Oklahoma State and Boise State have similar figures, too. It must be that their offenses are the same! In fact, any two offenses that produce similar scores and yardage are IDENTICAL. Thanks for opening my eyes! If only I knew that you could use superficial information in lieu of detailed analysis, I could have saved many hours of my life in the course of my work.
Grass is green, so are trees. Therefore Grass==trees.
Sky is blue, so is water. Therefore sky==water.
Man, this is awesome. Why didn't I think of this.
Your argument was that Wisconsin is better across the board on the offensive side of the ball, and therefore you can't compare the two offenses or call them similar.
My response is simply that judging by, you know, moving the ball and scoring and stuff, the two are fairly similar. I'm not saying that the two offenses have the same style, because that wasn't your argument. I'm just saying that if the measure of an offense is yards and points, then Wisconsin and Iowa are quite comparable, regardless of any talent differential you think may exist.
Why? It's not like the game was close or turnovers were a factor. They lost because OSU's offense was anemic and gained just 3.8 yards per rush and 5.6 per pass. Those are Michigan '08 numbers.
when they got destroyed in the 1 game they did play, I would love to see it. By the way, this is a repeat of last yrs game with the only difference being Tolzien did not turn the ball over.
Wisconsin whipped osu at the line on both sides of the ball 2 yrs straight now. 9 of 10 games osu loses when you get beat that bad on the line. Last yr was that 1 win when wisconsin inexplicably kept turning the ball over.
Aren't they 5-5 in their last 10 against the badgers? I think it fair to say they've had the "best" team in 8-9 of those meetings. That makes it pretty tough for me to agree that they'd win 9 of 10
That includes three losses in a row and two years where they didn't play. Before that, though, Wisconsin has been just under .500 against Ohio State since about 1981. That includes the Don Morton/early Barry Alvarez years when Wisconsin was terrible.
They should stop playing all these stupid games and just let him pick the winners. That would be fun to watch every saturday. Him and corso could just spend two hours putting on mascot heads.
It's different when the starting QB says it vs. random message board people. Troll elsewhere.
Major, major logic fail. Can't wait till you're banned a 5th time.
explain how Ohio State isn't a better team than Wisconsin.
Ummm, Wisconson beat them.
Show me again where I said we were a better team than MSU or Iowa? Yes, we were slightly better than the teams we beat and worse than the teams we lost to. That was fairly evident on field throughout the game and on the scoreboard afterwards. Did you actually watch the Wisconson game or were you too busy trolling on their message boards? OSU got their ass kicked up and down the field, it's not even debatable.
Methinks his point is a general one:
Folks here (myself included) were left thinking and saying we beat ourselves. Pryor is essentially saying the same but we criticize him.
I think he actually makes a good point if taken generally. Fans often say "we gave it away" or "we beat ourselves". It'd be a hard argument to make that it hasn't been said here this year, and I know that I have thought the same thing about Buckeye games in the past. It's just something that sportsfans do.
Im obviously not a Pryor fan but i agree with you as well. I have to see the context of this quote. And he wasnt trying to be disrespectful. Not sure why dude above got negged so badly.
Somewhere, a man in a white outfit with a big net is searching for you...
I agree with being dominated by MSU, but the Iowa game, are you kidding? You can't be dominated for 55 minutes and put up 530 yards in the other 5 minutes. The we beat ourselves comes from the drive killing penalties and turnovers, which were, more or less, unforced errors (er, preventable). Even you, I feel, should be able to see that.
Oh, I get it. When Ohio State loses, rationalizing it is cool. When Michigan loses, it's because they were dominated. Ohio State wasn't dominated, they were just feeling generous.
To make a long story short, you're a Sparty troll pretending to be an M fan. Don't you have a pizza to deliver?
No, I'm just trying to bait you into posting more so we can see if you can set the all-time negbang record. I think you've got it in you, kiddo. I really do.
I banged your mom.
What is that? I was just following your lead and contributing nothing to this board. Carry on with whatever your were trolling about.
I'm an M grad I've delivered a lot of pizzas in my day.
But I agree with the point. This groan is tiresome.
I also said "we beat ourselves with turnovers". Fans of all teams do that. We beat BOTH MSU and Iowa if the turnover battle is just even. The turnovers killed our momentum, and two vs. MSWho happened in the end zone. I'm glad Sparty fans think they 'dominated'.
It doesn't make the losses any better, but there are plenty of positives. Knowing you could win without the turnovers means it can be cleaned up for a win next year. Guarantee Alabama, OSU, and Oklahoma fans are ALL doing this right now.
The failure in my logic. Also, explain how Ohio State isn't a better team than Wisconsin. Explain how Pryor fails when he says OSU would beat Wisconsin 9 of 10.
Ohio State was beaten handily at the line by Wisconsin. It's hard to say what would happen in another game, but to say they'd win 9 of 10 is a leap in logic no matter how you look at it.
Explain how being dominated by MSU for 60 minutes and Iowa for 55 or so minutes means we "beat ourselves."
Sorry, missed the part where we were dominated for 55 minutes against Iowa. You don't get up to 520 yards in 5 minutes. To say we were "dominated" by MSU is also misleading. That was a winnable game for much of the contest, and we certainly weren't dominated for the entire thing.
Explain why Rodriguez apparently now needs until 2012 to contend on the national stage.
All of the shit that went down in the secondary could not have been anticipated when people were making predictions two years into the future.
No one here can convince you whether or not you should support Rodriguez I suppose. That's your decision.
Our offense is not full of five stars and is putting up some pretty big numbers. There's a difference between doing "more with less" and doing "everything with nothing." You could put the best defensive coordinator in the mix and this defense wouldn't stop many teams.
Rodriguez should merit patience because he deserves a fair shot at putting things together and getting rid of him now would be an absolute disaster.
Michigan fans weren't patient with Threet because he performed terribly. It wasn't his fault, but the system didn't fit him in the least. Sheridan was in the same situation except not as good as Threet. Ezeh has had years to improve and was just beat out by a sophomore. Tate, as far as I can tell, is still supported by the fan base. Shafer had a very talented set of defensive players and couldn't make it work.
Let's wait until the end of this season before we start making decisions about what will happen in the next few.
Ok, so that was hyperbole. I'm trying to keep myself logical but a little bit of anger slipped through.
We'll see what happens at the end of the year I suppose.
BlockM, save your logic for someone who matters.
I'm working on my skillz for when I encounter that person.
Right, because coaching transitions usually go super smooth.
My point is, we have NO IDEA how these next five games are going to play out. Regardless of how you feel about Rodriguez right now, he's here. Deal with it. Enjoy watching the team. Will you still be complaining if we go 5-0 to end the year and get into a great bowl game and go 11-2 on the season? It's not likely, but let's just wait and see.
I haven't once said that Rodriguez should get a five year extension. I haven't once said that he isn't skating on thin ice. The fact is that he's still the coach here, and I'm going to support him while that's the case and the team is still improving.
Your argument about the fans giving Rodriguez more time than a lot of the players they've thrown under the bus just doesn't make sense. For one, I haven't seen many players thrown under the bus. Two, Rodriguez's success isn't in tied to him putting on 20 pounds and finally figuring out how to wrap up on a tackle. He proved he can coach when he was at WVU (yeah yeah, Big East, blah blah blah).
If Rodriguez's offense was sputtering consistently I'd agree with you, but it's not. They're putting up monster yards and shooting themselves in the foot.
As far as how much he gets paid and whether he's shitting the bed or not, do you really think that David Brandon and Bill Martin haven't gotten more emails asking them to fire RR than to keep him? I have no problem with him making 3 million a year for doing his job 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. Coaching a college football team is one of the most stressful jobs in the country.
I really dont feel so bad about my spelling anymore...
Die in a fire
You are no better than a steaming pile of armadillo excrement. But thanks for asking.
He must be a slow processor for this to come out now. But when TP opens his mouth, I am going to listen.
If you played them ten times maybe you win nine of them but you played them once and lost. Also if my aunt had a penis she would be my uncle.
Maybe at home but not in Madison.
Not to take anything away from...
They are completely intending to discredit the other person or team's achievement. Nice work TP.
Look it up...
and 9 out of 10 times, I beat 5th graders at chess.
I thought the only teams OSU played 10 times were MAC schools? Wow...if they start playing other big 10 teams ten times things won't be as easy.
Lots of hype, big mouth, fattens his stats when it doesn't mean anything, MIA in big games and in the clutch.
Is that he doesn't "want it to come off like this". My suggestion for the best way of accomplishing this? Use different words.
In Pryor's case, different words would probably end up worse. The best decision he could make is just to keep his mouth shut.
Different words like "everybody murders" perhaps?
Pryor may or may not be right that Wiscy isn't a better team than them, but he is wrong about this: they sure were better for three and a half hours last week. And that is all that counts in the standings.
TP is actually advocating repeated simulations of seasons and sampling.
It's actually pretty smart if you think about it - no one ever plays the game, we have a madden-fest, maybe someone writes it up ala Nate Silver, and he has more time to kill people.
Listen, he's the 2-time defending Heisman trophy winner, so he should be able to speak his mind about stuff like this...
I thought Jimmy Clausen was still the defending heisman trophy winner? Hasn't he won the last three in route to returning Notre Dame to glory?
I don't see this as a big deal. Pryor has done far more idiotic things during his tenure. Saying they should have beaten Wisconsin? That's fairly normal.
9 out of 10 times I would have impregnated Jessica Alba instead of Cash Warren. also: 9 out of 10 times I would have locked up Jessica Biel not Timberlake.
Those damn one in ten's!
Everyones missing the beauty of his quote.
He is supposed to say "Everybody knows that we'd beat Wisconsin 9 out of 10 times."
How do you play 9 out of 10 times?
Easy. When you fail to play one of those 10 times. That's what happened.
then they would have beaten Wisconsin. (I'm assuming TP means they'd show up for Wisky.)
I s'pose there's still time to skip a game to reclaim the Wiscy win. I'd trade a forfeit against Minny for a win against Wisky.
I'll keep that in my back pocket for sports Jeopardy!
"9/10 times i make up statistics on the spot...."
Future quote from the one and only, TP.
Whenever I watch Ohio State and see Pryor's inconsistency, and the jawing before and after games, there is a vibe I can't shake that Tressel put all his eggs in one basket with this guy from the moment he chose the school, and is torn by it.
Picture like Tom Hanks running out of money and taking a lucrative 6 episode gig playing Snookie's boyfriend on "Jersey Shore".
........is still thinking about "what might have been" vs. Wisky when UM rolls into town.
Boy, I was at the OSU-UW game and this is such a ludicrous statement. When things looked bad for OSU, Pryor was moping around and brushing people off that tried to talk to him on the sideline. He is good for fired up nonsense a week later, but when the game was getting down to it, his body language was sulky and he definitely was not the spark that was going to drive that team.
Maybe 9 out of 10 times might be a distinct possibility in Columbus. But not in Madison. Camp Randall was rocking like no other.
I remember constantly reading updates and praying that TP would choose Michigan. I was on the bandwagon thinking he was going to be our savior. Now everytime I see him open his mouth, shrink in the moment, and fail to live up to the hype I just think "Whew. I am so glad he picked tOSU.".
He is the perfect representative for Tressel and the Buckeyes.
LOL prefacing that with "Not to take anything away from Wisconsin at all..." is like in Talladega Nights where Ricki Bobby says, "With all due respect" and then follows it up with, "I had no idea you'd gotten experimental surgery to have your balls removed.".... Except this is funnier, b/c it's in real life.
... and guess who won when it mattered? Yup, that's what I thought Pryor.
oh wait, you tried.
This is that different than "we beat ourselves", which has been the drum beat here for 2 weeks. I don't see the difference in "being dominated" or not between a 31-18 loss, or a 34-17 loss. Or for that matter, a 38-28 loss. Because while we scored 3 TDs to make to close after they had a huge lead, OSU cut it to 21-18 in the 4th before Wisconsin pulled away. Far closer than we got in either of our two last games.
If you want to beat the drum that this is just a message board, and he was stupid to say it in public, go for it. But if you've been preaching the "we beat ourselves" mantra, it's being a bit hypocritical to jump on Pryor for thinking the same thing.
is not a single entity that must maintain consistancy. Posts are by individuals with individual opinions.
It's not quite apples and oranges, but maybe two different kinds of apples. I haven't seen anyone on here claim that we'd beat MSU or Iowa 9 times out of 10. (Because we wouldn't.) We have said that if a few plays had gone a different way, we'd have had a chance to win right up until the end. I haven't seen anyone claim that we're a better team than Iowa or MSU.
........."we beat ourselves". It's more about stating that "everyone knows we would win 9 out of 10 times". Everyone knows? Kind of hard to make a statement starting with that phrase when you played one game and Wisky beat them, had them beat nearly the entire game and yet he qualifies it further by stating that OSU would win 9 out of 10 times. This isn't a scrub team they played who just got lucky. Wisky is a decent team, with a pretty good defense and solid running game. This is Pryor talking, who just got done beating a terrible Purdue team and he still threw 2 Int's in it.
As for UM fans lamenting about MSU and Iowa, I don't think I saw anyone make a statement saying "everyone knows we beat them 9 out of 10 times". Most have said that if we didn't make the stupid mistakes we made in those game that it could have turned out different. Quite a bit of difference in the statements made.
For one thing, it is entirely different for this statement to come from a player. For someone who is on the field and in control of his own destiny, a statement like this comes off as exceedingly arrogant and whiny. Hubris! The masses back home can pontificate as they like about why ze Germans are advancing against the French and it is only so much noise. But for your field commander to make excuses as to why the battle was lost reveals a genuine lack of character when that role requires true fortitude, and is cause for alarm among French and delight among Germans. So, there is a difference: People in a role to determine outcomes of interest are held to a different standard than mere passive observers.
That said, I am mostly in agreement with you. It is quite stupid to say, "M would have beaten MSU and Iowa if not for those turnovers and penalties!!!" Those people are morons on par with Pryor -- but with less athletic ability, so even lower overall. It is quite another thing to say, "If M hadn't committed those penalties and turnovers, those games would have been different." Which, yeah duh. It's somewhat stupid due to circularity, but true nonetheless.
One wants to trash him for saying he should keep his mouth shut for talking outside of "Hayes Hall" or whatever they call it, go for it, full blow, all cannons firing. I'm not going to argue he's not stupid.
It's just a lot of the response that "no, they weren't even CLOSE in the game, they didn't have a chance" after a few weeks of every justification that if A and B (and C...and D...maybe E...) didn't happen, we'd have had a great shot of beating MSIowa.
I think OSU had a chance in the fourth to win the game, but Wisconsin took it from them. I think we had a chance to beat either MSU or Iowa. But I give credit that those teams were in control most of the game, and outplayed us. We didn't beat ourselves anymore than OSU did, or really, any team.
That's all I was saying. Not "don't get on his case for saying it". Just look in the mirror if you're on his case for thinking it. Because I'm guessing, even though as was said above, the board is not a hive mind, there's at least a bit of people who said "we beat ourselves with turnovers" saying "HA, OSU got ROLLED, he's stupid!". And I'm not going to research who said what....I don't care that much, nor does anyone else. Just saying, each person knows their view on it.
Throw a few more INT'S. I hope he saves a couple for us.
And they're not winning 7 or 8 out of 10 in Columbus. I hope he has that same looking in the rearview mentality when we come calling.
The bottom line is, Wisconsin was better than them. It didn't come down to a field goal with 10 seconds left. Wisconsin played a better game, therefore they were better than Ohio State. TP made a really uninformed comment, and it sounded like sour grapes more than anything. Hopefully Tressel will have a talk with him about sucking it up in interviews, admitting the loss, and moving on.