Amir Williams to OSU
November 17th, 2010 at 1:12 PM ^
gross
November 17th, 2010 at 1:12 PM ^
super gross
November 17th, 2010 at 5:11 PM ^
Double super mega gross.
November 17th, 2010 at 1:13 PM ^
he wasnt even on our radar
November 17th, 2010 at 1:29 PM ^
What the hell does this even mean? Are you suggesting that Michigan didn't try to land him? I guess you missed the various reports saying that Michigan aggressively recruited him and wound up in his final three or four.
Also, I'm not going to bad-mouth the guy just because he didn't choose U-M or that he selected OSU. I say good luck to him. Now, Michigan moves on to other targets.
November 17th, 2010 at 1:37 PM ^
What it means is that our coach failed.
November 17th, 2010 at 1:50 PM ^
when Amir never seriously considered Michigan. He never wanted to go there so it would take a miracle for JB to pull in Amir.
November 17th, 2010 at 2:07 PM ^
Nice excuse. Keep making them. There was a time when Michigan alumni didn't make excuses.... You're probably still in school though.
November 17th, 2010 at 3:58 PM ^
your right, apparently they paid them. But your probably in school and don't remember that
November 17th, 2010 at 5:38 PM ^
So, by your logic Gremlin, the Michigan coaches should land every single recruit they pursue? I mean... no excuses right?
November 17th, 2010 at 2:21 PM ^
Whoa. At first I thought you were pulling that super dry "we never wanted him anyway" joke. But now I see you're for serious.
So your argument is that (1) because Amir Williams was "never on our radar", therefore (2) Beilein failed?
What if you knew he was not only on our radar but was being recruited aggressively? Then I guess you could say Beilein "failed," but not for the reasons you say.
In conclusion: lol your logic.
November 17th, 2010 at 2:30 PM ^
Um.. Someone made the excuse, "he was never on our radar". I said, nice excuse, keep making them.
In conclusion: wtf are you talking about.
November 17th, 2010 at 2:30 PM ^
you're a troll
November 17th, 2010 at 2:39 PM ^
Definitively a failure of logic at work here.
Isn't failure an inherent feature of recruiting? No coach lands every player he wants. How many other coaches "failed" to land Amir Williams?
November 17th, 2010 at 5:34 PM ^
he's from michigan. when you can't land your own guys that's a problem. that's the point.
November 17th, 2010 at 7:42 PM ^
over the OSU results recruiting Michigan.
(Especially in football.)
November 17th, 2010 at 7:42 PM ^
This is close to as shitty a logic as Gremlin. I guess Izzo failed too. Being in Michigan and all. Horrible logic.
November 17th, 2010 at 8:07 PM ^
no you're missing what im saying and thanks for the negs over an opinion. this place is like high school sometimes.
my point is that when it's said "no coach gets every player they want" thats true, but its especially painfully when he's sitting in your own backyard and you can't get him. its a sign of the state of the program IMO.
traditionally ohio doesnt steal much of the michigan talent in basketball or football, especially top tier talent. we take talent all the time from ohio and im sure they really hate thinking about charles woodson and mario manningham.
but not getting the top talent out of your back yard is a failure to some extent of the program. im not saying it's all their fault...but if he visited michigan and he visited osu and he chose osu, that's somewhat telling. that's my opinion. im sorry if you think we're infallible.
November 17th, 2010 at 8:34 PM ^
Amir Williams is hardly the first top basketball player from Michigan to leave the state, and John Beilein is not the first Michigan coach to "fail" to land one of these players. Perhaps you're too young to remember Roy Marble (Iowa), Voshon Lenard (Minnesota), or Shane Battier (Duke). Others with better memories than mine can probably come up with other examples.
This is not some disturbing new trend you've uncovered. And, by the way, this doesn't just happen to Michigan.
November 18th, 2010 at 2:49 AM ^
so you're saying it's not important to be able to recruit your own backyard for top talent? maybe ask Izzo how important that might be.... 10 kids from their Final Four team came out of Michigan.
my point is that building the program through top tier home grown talent is essential. especially in detroit where ann arbor is just down the road, michigan should have pipelines. yes, it may happen in time, but until it does dont count on michigan becoming close to an elite program because right now we're getting killed in recruiting those areas by MSU especially- and losing a kid to ohio state out of our backyard is pouring even more salt in the wound.
and if you're really implying i wasn't aware that basketball talent has left the state of michigan in the last 20 years thats kind of stupid. im also aware the sky is blue and the pope shits in the woods. i know for a fact our home grown players have been some of our best (like manny harris, deshawn sims most recently- chris webber and jalen rose) and i think its pretty fucking important to get those guys to go to michigan if we have any chance of becoming elite sometime soon- which, i for one, am hoping for.
November 18th, 2010 at 8:59 AM ^
Please point out where I said it’s not important to recruit your own backyard.
You say Michigan should have pipelines—especially Detroit. OK. I just checked the Rivals top 150 for 2011. Do you know how many Detroit area players are on that list? Two—Amir Williams and Carlton Brundidge. Beilein aggressively recruited them both, landing one and missing out on the other. But that’s not good enough for you. He has to land them all.
Detroit may have once been a great pipeline for basketball talent, but that’s simply not the case any more. The 2012 Rivals top 150 has only one Detroit area player—Sherron Dorsey Walker. Michigan has offered him, but they are also pursuing a number of other worthy players. As long as Beilein keeps pulling in players like Hardaway Jr., Smotrycz, Trey Burke, and Glenn Robinson III, I’m not going to criticize him for missing out on one or two Detroit area players. There’s no way Michigan can return to “elite” status relying on Detroit area talent alone.
Final point: As I'm sure you're aware, 3/5 of the Fab Five came from outside Detroit.
November 17th, 2010 at 8:12 PM ^
yeah and i guess Izzo failed too but the difference is Izzo doesn't NEED every good player that shows interest because he has depth and clout. Michigan does need this talent badly especially in the front court.
November 17th, 2010 at 8:24 PM ^
Izzo didn't fail. Amir did not have a Michigan State offer.
November 17th, 2010 at 2:22 PM ^
WHAT IT MEANS IS THAT YOU MUST NOW HATE THIS AMIR WILLIAMS. THAT IS ALL.
ALL-CAPS, OUT!!
November 17th, 2010 at 1:13 PM ^
I'm flacid
November 17th, 2010 at 1:14 PM ^
Good luck at that school down below.
November 17th, 2010 at 1:15 PM ^
since Sullinger is a lock to go to NBA draft and Lauderdale will be gone.
November 17th, 2010 at 1:21 PM ^
Is Sullinger a one and done type of player and is he good enough to be a lottery pick?
November 17th, 2010 at 1:23 PM ^
Sullinger may very likely be the #1 pick in this year's NBA draft
November 17th, 2010 at 1:24 PM ^
He sure looked like it last night. He was an absolute beast.
November 17th, 2010 at 2:42 PM ^
Scary good last night. In as I'm terrified what he's going to do to our front court.
November 17th, 2010 at 1:26 PM ^
to get drafted in the lottery and would be either one of the first C off the board(Kanter is the other C).
November 17th, 2010 at 2:35 PM ^
whether he is one and done, TBD.
/BLINDHOMERISM
November 17th, 2010 at 1:36 PM ^
Way to go John. Way to keep him in the State. Way to recruit.
Now, everyone start making excuses for him.
November 17th, 2010 at 1:49 PM ^
Now everyone start making excuses for why Gremlin is such an ass.
I'll start, he approached a girl at school today with the intention of asking her to lunch this coming Saturday. She turned her head in horror, repulsed by the oozing pimples that litter his face. Taken aback, gremlin back peddled to his wobbly chair in the dingy cafeteria,sat down and dreamt of what could have been had he not been so unfortunate looking. Later that day, in his step mom's basement, he logged onto Mgoblog and released his pent up, teenage angst upon the board and Belein. Am I close?
November 17th, 2010 at 1:51 PM ^
...are lame.
The end.
November 17th, 2010 at 2:06 PM ^
hey dumb dumb! even MI state didnt get him... and their the basketball version of our football team when it comes to recruiting.
November 17th, 2010 at 2:12 PM ^
"hey dumb dumb! even MI state didnt get him... and their the basketball version of our football team when it comes to recruiting."
"their the basketball version"
I'm a dumb dumb eh? Look in the mirror.
November 17th, 2010 at 2:42 PM ^
MSU didn't even offer him.
November 17th, 2010 at 7:44 PM ^
Looks like Izzo failed then.
November 17th, 2010 at 8:29 PM ^
How did Izzo fail? MSU didn't want/need a big man, and filled up its class with a 5 star, two 4 stars, and a 3 star...
November 17th, 2010 at 1:51 PM ^
Gotta lock down the home state :(
November 17th, 2010 at 2:02 PM ^
Man I hate it when kids from Michigan go play for Ohio State.
Conversely, I love it when Ohio kids, and most especially those from Columbutt, come play for the Wolverines.
November 17th, 2010 at 2:36 PM ^
Columbutt? That's the insult? Columbutt?
November 17th, 2010 at 2:50 PM ^
That didn't cut you to the quick? DUCKeye?! WAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!
(sigh)
November 17th, 2010 at 2:05 PM ^
I'm surprised that MSU didn't offer. I guess there's a lot of faith being put on Payne.
November 17th, 2010 at 2:28 PM ^
Apparently Williams didn't show them enough "love" so they didn't return it back. Sounds like a bitter high school relationship but since MSU can pretty much pick almost any player they want from Michigan, it is a little surprising
November 17th, 2010 at 2:46 PM ^
While this is technically true and the last time MSU lost out on a Michigan recruit it wanted was DeShawn Sims (I guess you can count Trey Zeigler too, but we all know what happened there), Izzo and the coaches at DCD don't have a very good relationship at all. It's pretty much the only MI high school that Izzo can't just walk into and get a recruit from.