A&M moves up its BOR meeting from 8/22 to 8/15

Submitted by psychomatt on

A&M to the SEC is looking more and more like a done deal. A&M had originally scheduled a Board of Regents meeting for 8/22 to discuss (and presumably approve) the deal. Today, the Texas legislature scheduled hearings for next week to discuss (and presumably kill) the deal. A&M's response? They have just moved the BOR meeting up a week to 8/15, this Monday.

http://tamu.247sports.com/Article/Aggies-Moving-Monday-35218

wildbackdunesman

August 12th, 2011 at 8:02 PM ^

You said of Nebraska joining the BigTen: "A fit culturally, but didn't address any of the other needs"

I am telling you that Nebraska exceeded the need of expanding the TV market.  Nebraska instantly strengthens the BigTen Network as people all over the nation, especially in every single Great Plains state love the Huskers.

These are 2009 TV rating stats for nationally televised games:

Nebraska 3.57

Notre Dame 2.4

Missouri with its supposedly big TV market that has St. Louis and Kansas City had a mere 2.0

Nebraska's worst year the past 10 years has been a 3.1, Notre Dame's best year over that time frame has been a 3.2.  In terms of TV viewing Nebraska > Notre Dame.

 

Nebraska has a huge TV Market - because they have many fans everywhere and thus meets the need of giving the BigTen Network leverage when negotiating new contracts.

MI Expat NY

August 12th, 2011 at 11:38 PM ^

The needs were academic, expanding towards the south and east, and a school that encompassed large television markets.  Nebraska fit none of them.  They were chosen because they're a football draw.  We don't disagree on that.  In fact that was my whole point.  The idea that the Big Ten wants and needs to expand to the south and east is BS, we're not going to expand unless we can get more eyeballs and that comes through prominent football programs.

Belisarius

August 12th, 2011 at 5:12 PM ^

You might want to put a pin in that. UVA might be worth it for the academic distinction and new market, but they haven't done anything to earn "up and comer" status in a meaningful way. You won't get a whole lot of viewrs for your average "Michigan vs. UVA" game, unlike, say, "Michigan vs. Nebraska."

You might want to wait on UNC before their heads are off the chopping block. Again, solid academics, and in this case, generally more "up and comers"...but they got caught baaaaad. Also: nobodies before Butch "Buy me a Program," Davis. It would be worth  waiting to see if they can accomplish anything with a not dirty-as-coal coach, especially with sanctions ahoy.

WolvinLA2

August 12th, 2011 at 5:21 PM ^

Neither would be as good as Nebraska, that was a home run.  But of the teams we could get (outside of Texas and ND which are great fits but unlikely to come) we could keep our battle with the SEC going with teams like UVA and UNC.  Gaining the DC and Charlotte media markets would be big, and I can't think of other teams that would be bettere fits.  Maybe we go to 16 teams and take UVA, VaTech, Duke and UNC. 

If 16 teams is where we're headed, those have to be schools worth considering.

Belisarius

August 12th, 2011 at 5:30 PM ^

Don't get me wrong...I'm not disagreeing. I think Virginia Tech is the biggest and best option out there, and getting them and UVA would be logical, to a degree. UNC I'm not high on, is where I disagree. I don't really think of them as an up and comer. They were a bottom-feeder team that upjumped themselves Oregon style, got caught big, and I expect nothing from them until further notice.

Duke is a private institution, which is not a match for our profile (though we are courting ND, and Duke is AAU), but my biggest concern is the truly meaningless football team. I know their basketball is top shelf, but it's really football which moves the needle on these deals: why an otherwise decent Kansas organization faced a real possibility of being left in the cold last time around. But...I digress. UNC is the choice I would really say is imprudent. Also: any Big East School, and I say that fully betraying a personal connection to Pitt. They are just not worth it.

WolvinLA2

August 12th, 2011 at 5:38 PM ^

That's fair, I just see UNC as a higher stock than you.  I don't like Duke for the same reason I don't like Kansas - big basketball program isn't enough.  But UNC is a pretty big school with a solid football fanbase in addition to a basketball program on par with those others.  They're not Nebraska on the football field, but I think they'll continue to be a solid football program.  They have a lot of NFL guys and a big enough name to hire good coaches.  UNC in the Big Ten would turn into a very good football team.

Needs

August 12th, 2011 at 5:46 PM ^

Duke's a much better fit academically than ND. They have a full range of well respected grad research programs (medical, law, academic) and are a real Research 1 institution, like Northwestern, unlike ND, which is essentially a liberal arts school with some grad programs. If only they had a football team

MI Expat NY

August 12th, 2011 at 5:39 PM ^

I don't think conferences will go to 16 just to go to 16.  It's still going to require making more money, and the Big Ten just used its biggest revenue increaser by adding a championship game.  

The Big Ten doesn't have to make the same amount of money or more than any other conference, they need to make more per school, adding schools that aren't football powers isn't going to help.    

WolvinLA2

August 12th, 2011 at 6:07 PM ^

I agree with you that they won't grow to 16 just to grow.  But I don't agree that a team would have to be a "power" to be added, they would just need to be above the average Big Ten team to make it a net gain.  I believe UNC is, from a financial standpoint, above average for Big Ten schools.  Not up with schools like UM, OSU and PSU, but right there with the rest. 

UNC has an elite basketball team with a major brand.  They generate more money than any Big Ten bball program.  As a football program, they would be average.  Below UM, OSU, PSU and Neb on a yearly basis, but probably on par or close to with Wisconsin, MSU and Iowa, certainly ahead of the Big Ten bottom feeders.  They have an elite baseball program (small point, but a point nonetheless). 

Outside of sports, North Carolina is a large state in terms of population, about the same size as Michigan and larger than all Big Ten states save PA, OH and IL.  It's one of the fastest growing states in the country as well, and could be bigger than the biggest Big Ten states in a decade.  A lot of UNC grads in ATL and DC, big boom for the BTN. 

I'm not saying it's a slam dunk, and the Duke factor makes a big difference too, but hypothetically UNC alone would be a great addition, I think.

MI Expat NY

August 12th, 2011 at 6:58 PM ^

UNC in a vacuum would probably be ok, but I think they become a money loser when you have to bring along Duke and NC State.  And that's really the problem with everyone outside of Texas and ND.  If they're worth having, even as a secondary school to someone else we actually want, there's someone else that hsa to come along that makes them not worth it.

Cock D

August 12th, 2011 at 9:22 PM ^

FSU out of ACC leaves a spot (or 3 there) - those spots go to SYR (and potentially WVU / RUT) - the Big East will be giving teams... again.

TAMU out of the Big 12 opens the door for TCU to become the 2nd biggest team (prestige wise, already  there success wise) in the Bit 12.  They can get back to 12 by adding Louisville and Cincy.

Big 10 takes Pitt and makes ovatures towards Rutgers, Syracuse, BC, in an attempt to feignt towards the NE market, all the while knowing that ND (upon collapse of the Big East as a football AQ) will join up, athletically if not academically.

Lesster Big East powers eat shit.  Guaranteed, Nordenberg at Pitt is on the phone right now with the Big 10.   With M, OSU, ND, Pitt, Nebraska and PSU, you can make a great set of round-robin rivalries that will get TV sets.  Just my opinion on where this is going.

All bets are off if the Big 12 does what it should - kick Texas out.

Needs

August 13th, 2011 at 1:09 AM ^

2nd success-wise in the big xii? Um, Oklahoma. As for prestige, they struggle to sell out their 50k stadium right now. No one in texas cares about TCU other than alums and ft. Worth boosters.

ShockFX

August 13th, 2011 at 5:41 PM ^

At 9 teams, Duke and UNC and one other school voted against adding BC, VT, and Miami, all are top 60 schools.

The ACC adding South Florida is the equivalent of the B1G adding Cincinnati if, say, Wisconsin joined the Pac-10. It would never happen in 1 million billion trillion years.

superstringer

August 12th, 2011 at 5:23 PM ^

Everyone needs to chill.  Pie in the sky fantasies are one thing, but...

Duke, UNC and NC State are joined permanently.  They form the "research triangle," are about 20 miles apart.  Those 3 will never, ever, ever separate.  Ever, ever, ever.

More generally, the ACC still thinks of itself as a basketball conference.  FSU, Miami and VT were "ringers" to help the football side -- but that hardly has worked out now, has it.  The core 8 teams of the ACC -- UNC, Duke, NCState, VA, MD, WF, Clemson, GT -- are probably never going to separate.  Too much shared culture, history, and self-preservation.  UNC and Duke, frankly, don't even care about football.  Those are the 2 schools that voted against adding VT, BC and Miami.

There are also vast cultural differences.  Maybe the ONLY one of the 8 I could even remotely see coming to B1G is Maryland -- in the very urban DC area, where half of the adults are transplants from the North (esp PA and OH) anyway.  But its not he academic prize that UVA is -- however, you get no regional bang to TVs adding UVA.  UVA is a distant #2 to VT in the state, in terms of getting viewers.

I know there were rumors about GT.  The cultural difference there are like... staggering.  But, it is Atlanta market, I guess.  And a great school academically.

But anyone else who posts Duke and UNC can be a "package" to the B1G is simply typing cuz it looks nice to say.

psychomatt

August 12th, 2011 at 5:59 PM ^

The realities are that FSU probably will be gone to the SEC within a month. And the SEC might come looking for another ACC team (e.g., Clemson, VaTech, Miami). And the B10 is not going to sit by and do nothing. I believe the B10 has eyes for Maryland and probably is interested in North Carolina and Duke. BC is also not unthinkable. If the "research triangle" schools want to be left behind to join the 19-team basketball beheemoth that is now the Big East, then, fine. But it looks like the ACC is going to take a major hit. Like it or not, the SEC and B10 are very likely going to make a serious run at some of the ACC teams, and North Carolina and Duke can either be among the teams that are successfully courted or be among the teams that are left behind to try to pick up the pieces.

jmblue

August 13th, 2011 at 1:55 AM ^

I actually think it's extremely likely that the Big Ten will sit and do nothing.  This is a league that has added two teams in 50 years.  The B10 doesn't rush into things.  We just added Nebraska.  We're going to see how that works out before we add anything more.  The ACC will limp along for awhile.  It's not going to just fold.

BlueAggie

August 12th, 2011 at 5:29 PM ^

Things are moving very quickly down here. I expect an announcement Monday. If the legislative hearings go forward, A&M will make two arguments. First, this opens a spot in the Big XII for Houston, meaning more TX schools in BCS conferences. Second, the chair of the legislative committee in question publically supported the Longhorn Network last year, saying that public schools have a duty to maximize athletic revenues. A&M in the SEC surely means more revenue for us.

Belisarius

August 12th, 2011 at 5:39 PM ^

Houston is a good bet. They might even try Boise State, although obviously Boise would be in an unpleasant position leaving a second conference in two years. None of the other Conference USA or Mountain West teams would fit the bill.

Seth9

August 12th, 2011 at 5:48 PM ^

TCU will have to give the Big East 27 months notice and pay them $5 million to leave. And they aren't a big enough prize for the Big 12 schools to be willing to wait 27 months or pay the fee. If they want a Texas school, they'll take Houston. But if I were them, I'd go after BYU.

BlueByTheAlamo

August 12th, 2011 at 5:52 PM ^

Texas Legislature would much rather have Houston be invited because they are a large public university system. If a deal has to be brokered to let A&M leave for the SEC guessing the Big XII will take that trade. Both TCU and Houston are great schools in large markets with respectable football teams. However, with A&M leaving, the Big XII would also need to replace the Houston market while Dallas has always fared well as it is halfway between Austin and Norman and has the Red River Shootout every year. The Legislature gets a substitute public university into an AQ conference, the school gets included among the big boys, and the conference retains a giant market with a decent team.

MI Expat NY

August 12th, 2011 at 6:52 PM ^

In reality, isn't it more important what ESPN wants?  Houston plays in a tiny stadium, has no fan base, and doesn't even deliver the Houston market.  TCU isn't a whole lot better, but they do play at a higher level of football and are re-doing their stadium.  I get the arguments for houston (state institution, etc.) but to me it doesn't make up for being a generally crappy option.

WolvinLA2

August 12th, 2011 at 6:18 PM ^

I think TAMU leaving for the SEC will hurt Texas more than people think.  For the last 10 years, TAMU-UT recruiting battles were simple - do you want to play for the Longhorns, the cream of the Big 12 (a quite strong, 12 team conference), or the Aggies, just another Big 12 team?  And the answer was pretty easy.

However, that's not it if A&M moves.  Then it will be - do you want to play for the Longhorns, the cream of the Big 12 (a failing conference that nobody respects anymore) or do you want the chance to play in the SEC, america's top football conference, without needing to leave the state?  The Longhorns are still the Longhorns, but their product will be weaker with a shit conference and A&M will be more similar to LSU and Arkansas in recruiting than like little brother, but just as close to home.

joeyb

August 12th, 2011 at 6:36 PM ^

Here's what's going to happen. SEC picks up TAMU and FSU. ACC grabs Syracuse. ND sees the writing on the wall for the Big East and comes to the Big Ten asking to be let in. Big Ten says why the fuck not, but they need another team. So, they organize a 3-way trade with the Big East and the ACC. The ACC sends Maryland to the Big Ten. The Big East sends Pitt to the ACC. The Big Ten sends the young up-and-comer UMass from the MAC farm system to the Big East along with several home-and-homes over the next few years. The Big Ten, feeling ambitious, picks up Navy from free agency to add to the Maryland/DC market and also add to the national market. This also gives Maryland a conference rival. To round things out the Big Ten picks up Missouri to give them 16 teams, the St. Louis and KC markets, and gives Illinois a real rival, eliminating one school considering Michigan their ultimate rival. Not to be outdone, the SEC grabs Miami and Clemson. The ACC grabs USF and Rutgers to stay at 12 teams. Oklahoma, OSU, TTU, and Baylor join the Pac 16. Texas goes independent. Kansas, KSU, and ISU join the MWC. OSU and Auburn both receive a 50 scholarship reduction and are forced to play each other in Alaska for their bowl game each year (untelevised). Auburn sends Gene Chizik back to ISU to clear cap space. Denard wins the Heisman.

So let it be written.

Snidely Doo Rash

August 12th, 2011 at 11:42 PM ^

Take UNC and Duke and Big Ten Basketball is top dog forever and we add the defining rivalry of the sport.  Football adds a couple of lower tier teams with potential to rise up occasionally. 

Take ND and your choice of UVa, Pitt, or VT (in order of desireability) and we are done hopefully forever.  ND and NEB are all you need to insure equal or better status with the SEC and the league does not get too difficult to navigate for traditional powerhouse teams.  Based on Academics, alumni, and endowment criteria, ND, Duke, UNC and UVA would be the coup 'd grace/fab four.   Voila, Northwestern now makes perfect sense in the BIG 10  

Miami FLA also intriques me with respect to adding revenue but they are a serious geographic outlier.