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Am I the only one who isn't a fan of Tate?

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MGoDC
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Am I the only one who isn't a fan of Tate?

I know Tate seems to be a pretty popular guy around here, but I guess I just had to ask if anybody else finds him to be a bit cocky/kinda douchey. No doubt he is a good football player, but I can't help but feel like if he were the starting QB at any other big ten school (even ones we traditionally don't have much animosity for like Northwestern) many of us would probably point out that he seems like a douchenozzle.

As a current student I've seen both Denard and Tate around the Union some (havent talked to either of them personally) and Denard is usually laughing about something and talking with regular students. Tate, on the other hand, seems to keep more to himself, keeping himself relatively separated from the random student body.

But more than that, and more than just a general sense of arrogance I see when he talks to the media, one specific thing sticks in my mind. A couple days after an article came up (I think it was on rivals but I'm not sure) praising Denard's strides as a QB in the spring game, Tate put the article up on his facebook "wall of shame" and added the comment "I was against the 1s he was against the 2s." Personally if Tate can't get excited for a teammate's success, even at the same position, then I find myself really not wanting to root against him.

Obviously as a UM fan/student I'll be rooting for Tate's success every time he touches the ball, but I can't help but feel a really strong hope that Denard somehow manages to win the starting job outright and Tate transfers in 2011 (when DG would be able to be a solid backup as a RS Freshman). Personally this is not a guy I want to have to cheer for and not a guy I want representing my school. Undoubtedly an extremely unpopular opinion here but I just wanted to see if literally anybody else on this board feels the same way.

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June 29th, 2010 at 9:51 AM | (havent talked to either of (Score:1)
chitownblue2
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(havent talked to either of them personally)

This parenthetical should have made it clear to you that you probably shouldn't have written this entire fucking diary.

wolverineliberationarmy.com/blog

June 29th, 2010 at 10:26 AM | Well..... post like this?? (Score:1)
Carcajous
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Well..... posts like this??

June 29th, 2010 at 10:31 AM | This was a diary and got (Score:1)
joeyb
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This was a diary and got demoted to the board. Your points are dropping because you said something stupid, then brought up the point system, which is a no-go here.

June 29th, 2010 at 10:35 AM | Wrong. This was never a (Score:1)
MGoDC
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Wrong. This was never a diary, that much is fact.

June 29th, 2010 at 11:20 AM | Isn't is obvious? Because you (Score:1)
blueblueblue
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Isn't is obvious? Because you get negged for it!!

June 29th, 2010 at 11:41 AM | Who are you (Score:1)
Space Coyote
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Ricky Bobby? You can't just say no offense or with all do respect and have it be nice.

Sorry, the "no offense line" just reminded me of that.  Anyway, it's a no-no because Brian didn't want people bickering about points and filling up board space with "Why am I getting negged" type comments.  It goes back to a phrase that is currently on this board: "TAKE IT LIKE A MAN" and just let a few negs come in.  The more you post asking why your getting negged is a pretty simple linear equation approximation:

       neg_total ~= k * n ^ (sqrt(k)

where k equals the number of posts made and n equals the number of negs rewarded after one complaint about negs.

4/23/13 - Denard Robinson's NFL Future, Part II

June 29th, 2010 at 10:47 AM | You were (Score:1)
UMWest22
Joined: 10/26/2009
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the popular kid in high school, weren't you?

June 29th, 2010 at 10:55 AM | Ah yes. (Score:1)
UMWest22
Joined: 10/26/2009
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The power of the internet.

June 29th, 2010 at 11:37 AM | Beetter? (Score:1)
TIMMMAAY
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You like beets? This guy likes beets...

not just "douchey" MGoBlog user, but now TRUSTED MGoBlog user

June 29th, 2010 at 9:56 AM | So, just to confirm, you (Score:1)
MGoDC
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So, just to confirm, you literally have no opinions of anybody you havent personally talked to? How on earth do you ever vote during elections?

June 29th, 2010 at 10:01 AM | This is sad (Score:1)
Seth9
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The reason this is sad is that it is not one of the stupidest comments that I've read on this board. That said, it is still incredibly dumb.

Maybe he votes based on issues of policy, rather than his opinion on who is more likable or who has a better personality. As opposed to making an opinion on whether he likes a collegiate QBs personality based on minimal anecdotal evidence after one year without ever even talking to one.

June 29th, 2010 at 10:04 AM | Maybe he votes based on (Score:1)
MGoDC
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Maybe he votes based on issues of policy, rather than his opinion on who is more likable or who has a better personality.

I'll give you that as a possibility for his specific case, but to act as though perceived personality does not play a large role in politics for the majority of the public in any country is either willfully naive or just downright, as you put it, "incredibly dumb."

June 29th, 2010 at 10:21 AM | This is the reason why I feel (Score:1)
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This is the reason why I feel bad for scholarship athletes. This kid isn't making a cent, and still has to put up with dipshits who do not know him making public posts on a message board read by thousands of his peers about how he's a douchebag. I wish "Communications" was as popular as football, so people who don't know you could make public internet posts about your personality.

wolverineliberationarmy.com/blog

June 29th, 2010 at 10:25 AM | "this kid isn't making a (Score:1)
mfangoblue
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"this kid isn't making a cent"

 

What do you call not having to pay for a U-M education then?

June 29th, 2010 at 10:27 AM | Is that income? (Score:1)
chitownblue2
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Is that income?

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June 29th, 2010 at 10:32 AM | Wow you are an idiot (Score:1)
mfangoblue
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Wow you are an idiot

June 29th, 2010 at 10:40 AM | Touche - I think you are (Score:1)
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Touche - I think you are about to prove your idiocy. Please continue.

June 29th, 2010 at 11:44 AM | Is that income? In a way, (Score:1)
BiSB
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Is that income?

In a way, yes.  It's a form of compensation for services rendered.  Congress chose not to tax that income, but it still counts. 

They no longer call me Bisbiño

June 29th, 2010 at 10:52 AM | Small point... (Score:1)
Firstbase
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...but I thought scholarship athletes effectively earn $30k to $40k annually in paid tuition as well as a top-notch education from a premier university.

If they can't stand the heat (and the competition), they should get out of the kitchen.

Team success is #1. Individual accolades should be secondary.

I like Tate a lot. Cool head. Lots of confidence. Decent touch. His only shortcoming is he slightly diminutive to be playing B10 football. I think of him as more of a MAC QB, but he is proving to be surprisingly effective against B10 opponents.

June 29th, 2010 at 10:57 AM | Technically, you can say they (Score:1)
joeyb
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Technically, you can say they earn the $30k and pay for school with it, or you can say they get a free education (I know you didn't say free, but you implied it).

June 29th, 2010 at 11:07 AM | Yep. (Score:1)
Firstbase
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I know the football program is a huge profit center so this effectively absorbs the cost of tuition. Of course, they marginally shrink the number of students who can attend U of M, so I guess you could say they cost "normal" kids slots at the school.

I just know that I would have been thrilled to have been offered a full ride scholarship at a B10 school to play a sport I love. It would have been a tremendous honor, whether I saw the field much or not.

June 29th, 2010 at 10:58 AM | It's not income (Score:1)
Other Chris
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It's a scholarship.  It is not taxable as long as it is used for tuition, books, and fees. And it can't be used for anything else, or even those things ANYWHERE else.

June 29th, 2010 at 11:08 AM | Nevertheless... (Score:1)
Firstbase
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...it is HUGE compensation, regardless of how the IRS classifies it.

June 29th, 2010 at 11:29 AM | It's not, really (Score:1)
Other Chris
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It is granted on past performance and expectation of future behaviors that will benefit the university far in excess of the individual outlay. 

June 29th, 2010 at 11:36 AM | True (Score:1)
Other Chris
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My previous post was hasty and left holes for quibblers to quibble with.  Nonetheless, a scholarship is not income. 

June 29th, 2010 at 10:14 AM | That wasn't my point (Score:1)
Seth9
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While perceived personalities obviously affect politics, your original statement suggested that it should, a thought that I found offensive and indicative of a lot of crap that is wrong with the world in general. That said, I clearly overreacted in my original response and for that I apologize.

June 29th, 2010 at 10:09 AM | Is there a difference between (Score:1)
chitownblue2
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Is there a difference between having an opinion, and posting my opinion of a 19-year old amateur athlete (formed with anecdotal evidence)on a message board frequented by thousands of his peers ans classmates?

wolverineliberationarmy.com/blog

June 29th, 2010 at 10:33 AM | Yeah, there's a huge (Score:1)
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Yeah, there's a huge difference Chitown: this 19-year old seems "cocky" "douchey" and like a "douchenozzle" to some moron, so he totally deserves it.

DC, you say you don't want Tate representing your school?  Because he doesn't sit and chat with you, or "seems" like a douche?  That's insane, and you're an asshole.

There's "I prefer Denard as our starter and Tate isn't my favorite player," and that's a very reasonable opinion.  The stuff you posted, on the other hand, makes you the douchenozzle my friend.

I hope when people read this idiocy they realize you speak only for the mouth-breathing population of Michigan fans.

IGotARashMan

June 29th, 2010 at 10:35 AM | My roomate's favorite Tate story (Score:1)
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He tried to walk past the line to get into a frat party the night of the Penn State game.  the bouncer started to herd him back into the line when Tate said "dont you know who I am? I'm the f****ing quarterback of the football team!" and the bouncer said "put some poiints on the board and you can walk past the line" and sent him back on line.  Tate and his friend left.

Michigan Man

June 29th, 2010 at 10:47 AM | Rivas (Score:1)
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I kind of remember stories like that about a former kicker.  That is a douchey move.  Although I'm glad the bouncer put him in his place.

"A flute with no holes is not a flute. A donut with no hole is a danish"

June 29th, 2010 at 10:53 AM | Played BBall with Rivas once (Score:1)
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He actually seemed very comfortable with his place... After the game I asked who they all were on that team (all wearing official M gear, and huge) He said "Tight End, Tight  End, O line, and I'm just a fat kicker"

Didn't seem douchey to me

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June 29th, 2010 at 11:21 AM | yea because no football player's done that before... (Score:1)
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Hell, Mike Cox tried it at SAE during welcome week his freshman year, and with a whole crowd of friends with him.

The world looks better through maize mirror tint. 

Still waiting on backup.

June 29th, 2010 at 10:00 AM | Yes (Score:1)
exmtroj
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You are the only one.  Confident, self-assured quarterbacks/leaders are the devil.

EDIT: You're talking to a guy that has 3 Tate autographed pictures on his wall, a "Tate Forcier for Heisman" poster, 2 "May the Forcier Be With You" T-Shirts, and fully authentic home and away #5 jerseys.  I will insta-neg bang any anti-Tate post.

 

 

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June 29th, 2010 at 10:58 AM | Wow. (Score:1)
Firstbase
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Sounds like a proposal is in the cards!

June 29th, 2010 at 9:53 AM | As for the "wall of shame" (Score:1)
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As for the "wall of shame" thing, it was pretty well discussed around here.  The issue is that Tate doesn't actually run the site, his dad does.

Your friendly neighborhood contrarian.

June 29th, 2010 at 9:54 AM | Yes, you are (Score:1)
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And you should hate yourself for it.

"This is the EMU game, not the emo game."
June 29th, 2010 at 10:27 AM | Nope, I don't like Forcier (Score:1)
mfangoblue
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Nope, I don't like Forcier either. Pretty much lost the Ohio State game single-handedly 

June 29th, 2010 at 10:34 AM | He single handedly won the (Score:1)
GoBlueYork
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He single handedly won the Notre Dame and Indiana games. He put up ridiculous numbers in the Purdue and Wisky games and decent ones in the Illinois game.

He was a true freshman, what did you expect from him? He's only going to get better!

June 29th, 2010 at 11:49 AM | Cmon (Score:1)
Tacopants
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MGoPoints: 2242

Tate didn't lose the Ohio State game singlehandedly, but he didn't win Notre Dame and Indiana without some help either (ridiculous Kevin Koger catches?  DWarren's icing INT?)

I agree with not bashing him, but spread the love around.

June 29th, 2010 at 11:52 AM | that's crap (Score:1)
snowcrash
Joined: 07/22/2008
MGoPoints: 1565

He forced a bunch of passes he shouldn't have, but he also repeatedly made plays on his own to keep us in that game. Long drives that end in turnovers are still better than 3 and outs.

(Edit: on my browser this is showing up as a reply to Tacopants' post. I wrote it as a reply to the post accusing Forcier of singlehandedly losing the OSU game.) 

June 29th, 2010 at 9:55 AM | Don't be afraid to share your (Score:1)
gremlin
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MGoPoints: 602

Don't be afraid to share your opinion here.  I also was very disappointed to hear about Denard ending up on his "wall of shame". 

June 29th, 2010 at 9:55 AM | Not sure (Score:1)
Blue in Yarmouth
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I can't speak for anyone else and certainly you are entitled to your opinion but I would say I am a fan of his. The only reason for this is that he plays for UM and they are my team.

I also have never met the guy or even seen him in person, so Ihave no personal perspective from which to base my opinion.

Having said all this, I simply have been hoping that Denard wins the QB job this year purely because I really like the guy and want to see him on the field more. It is nothing negative toward Tate, I just would like to see Denard progress enough to win the job.

I should clarify that I only want him to win the job because I would be excited to see what he could do if he got the passing game down. He would be electric back there.

June 29th, 2010 at 9:55 AM | Though qbforce is straight up (Score:1)
chunkums
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MGoPoints: 9106

Though qbforce is straight up weird, a quarterback should be very confident.  Maybe other teams don't like him, but he's OURS.  Every fan of other Big 10 schools I've talked to hated Mike Hart, but can you say the same?

For today, goodbye. For tomorrow, good luck. And forever, Go Blue.

June 29th, 2010 at 9:58 AM | - (Score:1)
MGoHail
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MGoPoints: 428

I love Tate on the field and try to ignore everything he does off of it.  

June 29th, 2010 at 11:20 AM | Based this statement, (Score:1)
Engin77
Joined: 07/02/2008
MGoPoints: 2095

as well as your avatar, I'd say you excel at compartmentalization.

Taking it one week at a time

June 29th, 2010 at 9:59 AM | There are two types of (Score:1)
BlockM
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MGoPoints: 25312

There are two types of players I want on my team:

  • The players other teams/fan bases hate begrudgingly because they beat their team but simultaneously seem to be pretty fun people to be around.
  • The players other teams/fan bases love to hate because they beat their team and are cocky about it.

Both of those types of players have one thing in common. As long as that's the case, I could care less. I'd love for every player to be personable and friendly, but that will never happen. Just give me winners.

@pnbloem | Ultra-MGoBoard

June 29th, 2010 at 10:04 AM | A la A.J Pierzynski? (Score:1)
icefins26
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MGoPoints: 10521

A la A.J Pierzynski?

June 29th, 2010 at 10:00 AM | Mixed feelings (Score:1)
JeepinBen
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MGoPoints: 9529

I'm one of very few of my friends who are much more excited about Denard than Tate. I think that Denard has the skill set/ability to be a top 5 QB in the league by his senior year, while I think Tate wont get any better physically, but hopefully he'll get better mentally.

I think the future at QB is Denard... but I'm going to support both guys because the present needs them both to succeed.

"Over? Did you say, over? Nothing is over until we decide it is!"

June 29th, 2010 at 10:43 AM | the future is Gardner (Score:1)
Blue Blue Blue
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MGoPoints: -999597

If Denard can continue to improve his passing, and plays in Big 10 games the way he played in the Spring game, he would be the true run/pass threat that will open up the defense.

 

but Gardner has the look of a future NFL QB....sort of Vince Young 2.0

 

Tate is a nice QB, and a very grittly competitor, but he doesnt have a rocket laser arm, he isnt a significant running threat, and he seems to get banged up a lot.   He forced a number of passes in the Spring game, and was lucky a few werent picked.

Michigan Man

June 29th, 2010 at 10:03 AM | Confidence and cockiness are (Score:1)
joeyb
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MGoPoints: 11300

Confidence and cockiness are two different things. You can have the guy who doesn't know if he can lead the team down the field to beat Notre Dame with 11 seconds left (no confidence, no cockiness), the guy who knows he can (confidence, no cockiness), or the guy who thinks he is entitled to his position and it doesn't matter if he leads the team down the field (confidence, cockiness). Which would you prefer?

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