What the hell does this mean for Saturday. There are two possibilities, Denard starts, Tate gets the message for whatever rule was violated, and then back to status quo with Forcier taking over mid first quarter. The other possibility, we're rollin w/ Denard. (that being the Michigan football team and not me personally) What does that mean for this game? Not having really seen enough of Robinson to know what he is capable of if given an entire game to work, it is hard to tell what it could mean. Personally, I think Denard gives Michigan a slightly better shot at winning the game if he performs well, as Denard performing well likely means long possessions and Michigan's defense off the field. However, it also increases the chances of Michigan getting trounced significantly if he performs poorly, as Denard's "poorly" as been pretty poor. As such, this post is two-fold. Is it likely that Tate has been benched in the real sense of the word or are we looking at a two possession "violation of team rules" slap on the wrist? And, if Denard is the guy this Saturday, doom and gloom, or a glimmer of hope?
Alright, Denard is starting, now what
I thought Forcier played his best game in a long time last week. I personally don't like this move and hope Forcier gets in quickly. This team is way too one dimensional with Denard starting. Also, your thought about longer drives only applies if no turnovers occur.
includes not turning the ball over, as unlikely of a premise as that may be.....
anyone who knows the answer to your questions (or if Denard starting is even true) are posting on this blog right now.
If Denard is starting, there is a damn good reason for it. And we will probably never know it.
tate will play. he just had a very, very minor rule violation. and RR has been strict to adhering by those rules so it doesn't matter who it is (i.e. our starting quarterback).
was raising the hopes of the Michigan fanbase--anyone remember when Forcier was going win the Heisman and we were all going to Pasadena?--before they were crushed on the cruel, jagged rocks of the reality of having a freshman quarterback. Not to mention a soul-destroying defensive secondary.
He may have to sit out an entire half for that.
Appears to be a missed study session
[Edit: That's my understanding of the rumors, not a suggestion that I know anything for fact]
That is basically correct.
Academic study session right? Not game film study session?
(Not trying to be facetious here, just honestly wondering.)
I assumed it was academic. But I should disclaim that I really don't know, and anything else I say would be irresponsible rumor mongering.
and we do it well
We stop creating threads about it until we can evaluate how he did.
We head for the bunkers and stock up on canned goods.
rabble rabble internet speculation rabble
I'd have no speculation at all.
watch the game.
without speculation, this Blog does not exist. How strange for fans of a team to be discussing their teams chances the day before a game. Man, for the all the posts on this blog taking bullshit and posting it as fact, I thought a little discussion regarding what the move actually means would be welcome. I guess more posts like "Vlad Emililen to Start" are in order.
well said. get off your high horses people.
my horse loooooves pot.
Remember, when High Horses are outlawed, only outlaws will have High Horses.
the blog would certainly exist, just as it did long before you people found it. the blog exists because of the tremendous effort brian puts into his writing and analysis. the board exists to fund this effort. you, and your opinions, and my opinions, are completely irrelevant to the existence of this blog.
you must feel vindicated. You sure showed me. Now go back to browsing all posts in order to find the next football conversation that you can interrupt to remind the participants that they don't know anything and are completely irrelevant. That's the spirit.
ijohnb, you are a dick
David from Wyoming
Our biggest issue is can our D stop Wisconsin at all. Tate can atleast put points on the board from time to time. Our chances of winning just got a little worse in my opinion. I hope he gets in there very soon.
I'm not being sarcastic. This season is a very interesting experiment, if nothing else, and Denard seeing the field a little more will make it all the more interesting...Don't get me wrong, though, I hope "interesting" doesn't mean "painful."
It's better than working, that's for sure. I think we see a whole lot of running plays and short passes when Denard is in; I don't think RR calls a passing play longer than 10 yards. Maybe this will suck the DBs up... I hope he can get to the second level and we see a few long TD runs.
who starts? Either way, Tate should and will see significant PT, IME.
I think RichRod will stick with Denard as long as he can. But I don't think Tate did anything that merits significant loss of playing time, so if Denard starts turning the ball over, I think Tate comes in pretty quickly.
Kind of a strange situation. No question, on the whole, Tate is the better option given the personnel right now and Denard's performance in limited time thus far. But I kind of think that Denard, if at all competent, fits RR's offense better than Tate in terms of a "downhill running" ball control aspect. It is clear that Tate is the "starter" on this team, but a real tricky question will arise if Michigan's offense is sharp with Robinson. Questions galore. Should make for a good watch, notwithstanding Larivee and the three hour Rotel cheese dip commercial that is a Big Ten Netword Telecast.
I would gladly sacrifice the Wisky game if it meant a victory over OSU with a healthier Forcier. If DRob does play the entire game, I see these benefits:
1. Forcier gets to observe the game, coverages, and speed from the sidelines. Most QB's get this benefit their first year or two; Forcier didn't have that luxury.
2. Forcier's injuries get another week to heal, making his percentage (is he 70 percent, 90 percent, etc) higher for OSU.
3. It gives OSU more to prepare for, especially if DRob plays well and RR sandbags on who will start.
4. It gives DRob experience against a HQ Big Ten team.
5. Wisky's achilles heel is speed. If there is any HQ team DRob could do well against, it's Wisky.
6. If they lose and UM appears to have a turbulent QB situation, it gives OSU even more arrogance coming into the Big House. I still think that Pryor is an arrogant baby whose mentality is severely impacted in a negative way by a punch in the mouth: the "higher" he is coming into the game, the lower he will get if things don't go right immediately.
I am a realist, and I do know that the chances of an upset of OSU are slim. But I also know that bigger upsets happen every year, and that a "fat and sassy" OSU could turn out to be a classic situation of letting an underdog "hang around too long." If OSU turns out to have expended too much energy last week and this week, while UM plays a pedestrian game against Wisky, we could be on the good end of an upset. That would be a welcome change for this year.
However, it IS all conjecture at this point. If Forcier is being punished "in house," I agree with the commenter who thinks it will be a short punishment; I would guess one series or one quarter.
Either way, I am a lot more concerned about OSU than Wisky. A win over OSU would change everything for the program. A win over Wisky would just be a "whew." I'll take the paragidgm-shifing victory, please.
Forcier essentially sat the entire Del. State game, and rightfully so, to get an extra week to heal up and give others a chance. We saw how that worked the following week when Penn State handed us our lunch. I think Forcier gives us the best chance to win, but I'm all for giving Denard a shot as well. I just hope it doesn't come back to bite us.
They just said on 97.1 that Denard is starting and taking a couple of snaps but that Tate will play the majority of the game. They didn't say where they got this information but they didn't offer the statement as conjecture, they said it as a matter of fact.
If Denard starts against Ohio State, I have an idea for how all the fans can show their support. Instead of a "Maize Out," we should have a "shoelace out!" How cool would it be to see 100,000 fans all with their shoes untied in support of Michigan and Denard!
How, exactly, would Michigan fans put the "shoelace out" on display? Handstands? How many of the 108,000 would be able to do this?
That's easy: wear your shoes on your hands. Imagine the sound of 107,000 pairs of shoes clapping! It would be...completely bizarre.
Important tip: if you use shoes with metal spikes for this purpose, do not smack anybody on the back -- or anywhere else -- in happiness. Shoe-to-shoe contact only. Unless they're Ohio State fans, then...whatever.
his nickname is shoelace not shoelaces so everyone should just bang 1 untied shoe, Nikita Khrushchev style
with their velcro shoes and whatnot.
I want--I NEED--Ann Arbor to be the home of the first ever Dred-Out.
We would be the largest and fastest crowd watching a football game anywhere in America.
How would you ever be able to tell that everybody in the stands had their shoeloaces untied?
their velcro at the same time.
You wouldn't. That's why my comment was funny?
I don't think anyone got this joke.
Tate missed a study session (or so the rumor goes, which seems pretty minor to me) and is benched. This is the 2nd most important game of the season (next week is OSU, after all) and RR is still emphasizing the importance of academics. I really appreciate that and have renewed my respect for him.
I hope parents of HS players (preferably of the 4* and 5* variety) realize that as a coach, RR cares about his players and their academic education at Michigan!
perhaps. However, if Tate struggles, lets see a little shoelace to spice things up. Why not?
We have yet to really see what Denard can do. Yes he had some playing time in clutch moments against Iowa, but that is a very limited sample size. Personally I am looking forward to see him passing more and see what dynamic he can bring to the system. Currently when he comes, the D loads up and knows he is going to run. Now he should have a better mix and we can all see what he brings to the table.
Everything said about our team this year, let us not forget that we came back from one of the biggest deficits ever against Wisconsin last year with Threet leading the way. I am confident Denard gives us a better chance than Threet any day.
If you get rid of the turnovers (big if, understandably) Denard has been really effective.
During the Purdue broadcast they put up some numbers for the two QB's and Denard runs 70% throws 30% and Tate is the inverse. So, we can expect a lot of running if Denard is in the game with some quick slants/rollouts to the flat to keep them somewhat honest.
I think he is capable of hitting a huge seam pattern to Koger or whoever is in the slot, too. Even a RB.
How about a backfield of Denard, Shaw and Carlos...that's some serious, serious speed.
thats a pretty big suitcase full of them.
Is that Denard leads a perfect first drive with short outs and posts and a few runs himself to offset minor and we score right away. M fans will then second guess the crap out of themselves until the next drive where Denard hits Wisconsin MLB dead on in the chest and we see tate the rest of the way out. Just a guess....
It's not like the offense has really been ineffective this year with Tate... Denard gives them more of the spread and shed, which we know can work, IE Pat White. If I may use a boxing analogy here, our offense with Tate is a methodical fighter, more precise and methodical than Denard, who is throwing haymakers left and right. He can finish it with one punch, but also opens himself up to get hit. I'd love to see more Denard, but with the glass jaw of our defense, Tate probably gives us the best shot to win.
Hopefully the coaching staff has an inspired, scripted set of plays, the offensive line blocks to perfection, and Denard doesn't commit any turnovers. The offense marches down the field and scores a TD, putting Wisconsin on it's heels and giving Michigan momentum that carries them through to victory.
That said, I don't think there's a chance in hell this will happen. Denard has tons of potential, but there's nothing in his play so far that indicates to me that the game has slowed down for him yet. That coupled with the offensive lines spotty pass blocking, it's just a recipe for trouble.
I think the bottom line is we see a dash Denard, a bunch of Tate and hopefully we can pull off the upset and become bowl eligible.
Wisconsin's secondary is not that great. Denard's main weakness has been forcing throws and INTs. Wisconsin's DL and LBs are pretty decent, but they'll have to match up against Denard's strength of running ability, elusiveness and speed. UW has not really faced a spread option team all year except for OSU and they kept Pryor in check for 35 yards rushing all day long.
Starting Denard could be a good thing sans any fumbles/INTs.
The problem for Michigan in this game is probably not going to be the quarterback or the rushing offense at all. Michigan should move the ball on the ground and air, and score some points against Wisconsin.
Michigan's number one enemy aside from porous run defense will turnovers. If there are any UM turnovers, then say goodnight.
Two things could really help Michigan in this game: superior special teams play (kick returns, punt returns, punting) and forced turnovers (mainly INTs as Ohio State did twice vs. UW).
The better special teams play by Michigan is certainly in the cards, but I don't think Michigan can force the UW mistakes they'll need to win this game. And as for giving up ridiculously dumb big pass plays, well the Badgers have a fast kid named Nick Toon who's saying: "I'M NICK. GET TO KNOW ME!".
Cool fact: UW QB Scott Tolzien was sacked 14 times this year. 6 times in one game vs. OSU and he single handedly threw 2 pick sixes in that game.
...he has been coming into situations where things have not been going well and they are looking for a change. This will give him a chance to start a game from scratch, with a little more room for mistakes, and see what he can do with a few series. At this point there isn't that much to lose and you really do want to see how he does in this situation.
The new banner says it all- "Don't Panic".
I hope this works; if it does it will solve a lot of the problems we are having on defense. Longer time eating drives keeps our defense of the field. I think if Denard can make the reads on the defensive ends he will have great day and will start against Ohio State.
Just tune in around 1pm and watch the Tate Forcier comeback from the 14-0, 2-pick-six hole dug for him.
What does this mean? After Denard fumbles on the opening posession at our own 40 then Tate will come in.
on you, but the fact of the matter is that there way to argue with the fact that Denard is a human turnover from what we have seen. However, there have been flashes with him where I thought that is what this offense is supposed to look like. But they have been very brief, and I also fear that Tate could be thrown to the wolves and attempting to come from behind. Hope I'm wrong, I would like to see the talent that Denard clearly possesses.