All-Time Win% Update & Scenarios

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December 31st, 2012 at 11:26 PM
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robmorren2
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All-Time Win% Update & Scenarios

I reside in the South Bend area, so I am constantly reduced to having the "all-time" arguments with Notre Dame fans (Wins, Win%, All-Americans, Heismans, Titles, etc). Rest assured that we will retain the #1 all-time win percentage spot despite any combination of outcomes in the Outback Bowl and BCS Championship Game. However, if the worst case scenario occurs UM will only have a 1 game lead going into next season (UM Loss / ND win).

Michigan (Win) / ND (Win)

  • UM - 73.52%
  • ND - 73.43%

Michigan (Win) / ND (Loss)

  • UM - 73.52%
  • ND - 73.34%

Michigan (Loss) / ND (Loss)

  • UM - 73.44%
  • ND - 73.34%

Michigan (Loss) / ND (Win)

  • UM - 73.44% (!!!)
  • ND - 73.43% (!!!)

 

*Records before bowl games

UM - 903-314-36 [1253 games]

ND - 865-300-42 [1207 games]

**Calculations for All-Time Win Percentage

= (Wins+(.5*Ties)) / Games Played

 

 

 

 

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December 31st, 2012 at 11:31 PM | The team shouldn't have ever (Score:5 Normal)
Wolverine Devotee
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The team shouldn't have ever taught them how to play football in 1888.

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December 31st, 2012 at 11:46 PM | Scheduling (Score:4 Normal)
Tater
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The reason ND refuses to join a conference is that they don't want "the grind."   Although their schedule did look really tough on paper this year, they usually cherry-pick a schedule that guarantees a reasonably-competent team at least a 9-3 record, and a top ten-caliber team a 12-0 or 11-1 record.  

Hopefully, the advent of super-conferences forces ND to join one, and have to go through the same grind that everyone else does.

 

 

 

January 1st, 2013 at 12:01 AM | I gave them the benefit of (Score:2 Normal)
robmorren2
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I gave them the benefit of the doubt when they had Michigan & USC on their schedule. Now that they bought out the UM contract, their schedule is garbage. I hope Stanford can stay competitive to take our place.

January 1st, 2013 at 10:09 AM | Exactly. (Score:5 Normal)
bluewave720
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I hope now they will stop with the "will play anyone" meme.  Because you won't, ND.  You broke a contract to get out of playing a team that had beat you 3 years in a row at that point.

 

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January 1st, 2013 at 4:22 AM | Yah because your schedule is (Score:-1 Trolling)
January 1st, 2013 at 4:26 AM | *Yeah (Score:2 Normal)
NGoBlue
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It's *Yeah.



Thanks.

January 1st, 2013 at 12:06 PM | I'm Canadian. (Score:0 Flamebait)
January 1st, 2013 at 11:53 AM | You guys can have sex with a bag of AIDS (Score:4 Normal)
Hardware Sushi
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You guys can have sex with a bag of AIDS. You bought out the second biggest game on your schedule because you lost 3 in a row and Hoke looks good in the future. Go to hell.

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January 1st, 2013 at 12:08 PM | I am still not sure why that (Score:-1 Trolling)
January 1st, 2013 at 3:37 PM | Hopefully they don't join a (Score:2)
saveferris
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Hopefully they don't join a super-conference and we get to watch them slowly slide back into irrelevance as they get locked out of the BCS playoff. If ND isn't careful they'll find themselves turning into Yale.

 

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January 1st, 2013 at 8:42 PM | You really think that ND (Score:0)
December 31st, 2012 at 11:53 PM | I never liked the fact that (Score:5 Normal)
ppudge
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I never liked the fact that ties count as half a win when calculating win percentage. It's win percentage after all, not win and half a win for ties percentage. You either win or you didn't. Ties should get you nothing. I'll step off my soapbox now and wish you all a Happy New Year!

January 1st, 2013 at 12:31 AM | Ties are bullshit and (Score:4 Normal)
SoCalWolverine
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Ties are bullshit and shouldn't count towards a win or a loss...

January 1st, 2013 at 12:04 AM | Just win... (Score:3 Normal)
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...baby.

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January 1st, 2013 at 12:30 AM | Note to Michigan (Score:2 Normal)
quiverfull
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next time somebody asks us to teach them football, just say 'NO'!

Quiverfull

January 1st, 2013 at 12:46 AM | We're 23-16-1 all-time (Score:4 Normal)
snarling wolverine
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We're 23-16-1 all-time against them.  The problem isn't that we agreed to teach them how to play football, but that we haven't played them enough to open up a larger gap in the win percentage standings.

January 1st, 2013 at 1:26 AM | So when ND goes 6-6 next (Score:2)
bronxblue
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So when ND goes 6-6 next year, how big of a gap will that open for UM? 

January 1st, 2013 at 2:17 AM | 7 games. (Score:0 Overrated)
January 1st, 2013 at 4:16 AM | Don't care if we go 6-6, as (Score:-1 Trolling)
January 1st, 2013 at 8:08 AM | You probably won't. (Score:1 Normal)
Logan88
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You probably won't.

We ARE Michigan....COME GET SOME!!!

January 1st, 2013 at 12:11 PM | Oh, I think we will.  By a (Score:-1 Trolling)
January 1st, 2013 at 5:32 AM | Keep fighting the good fight sir. (Score:1)
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If you ever need BlueDragon to come in to town and crack some heads I am willing to roll up into town and do your bidding for awhile. Stay tough blue. If we can survive Rodriguez era Michigan we can survive anything.

Abort, Retry, Fail?

January 1st, 2013 at 5:58 AM | It never ends. My apartment (Score:1 Normal)
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It never ends. My apartment during my college years was less than a mile from ND. Surprisingly, there is a very good amount of Michigan fans in South Bend, especially amongst younger people. I'd almost say its a 20/70/10 split (UM/ND/Other). I went out 5 or 6 nights a week in SB from the time I was 21-25. I religiously wore my M hat. I'm about 6'5" 250 and hit the weights pretty hard in college. The reason I mention that is because you would not believe the number of ND/StMarys/HolyCross students that would come up to me at the bars and ask me if I played for ND ... as I was wearing my Michigan hat. One time a student asked me if I was on the team over Xmas break when the team was in Hawaii for their bowl game. It's ridiculous how many students of those colleges shell out money & go to every game, yet still can't recognize the most obvious things about college football or Notre Dame history. I had a good time messing with them. On the positive side, I never once had an issue outside of friendly banter and "Muck Fichigan" shouts. Overall they are easy to get along with. I was also quite fond of St Marys girls, lol. Not a high percentage of lookers, but a great guy to girl ratio whenever you partied with them.

January 1st, 2013 at 12:47 PM | Haha, I had to set the (Score:0 Trolling)
January 1st, 2013 at 8:22 AM | Two thumbs (Score:3 Normal)
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Glad to not have to deal with Notre Dame fans every goddamn day.

This guy.

They no longer call me Bisbiño

January 1st, 2013 at 9:43 AM | To Add To The Discussion... (Score:1)
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This post intrigued me, so I went through the entire history of season records as well and found some interesting items in the  statistics as well, especially when I started breaking it up by decade. We've only consistently won more games than ND on a per-decade basis since the 1970s, but the overall winning percentage for ND falls significant from about 1970 onwards. 

Win percentage for ND from 1890-1969: 0.755

Win percentage for Michigan from 1890-1969: 0.715

So, very close in that period - we played 14 more games in that space and ND won 18 more overall. 

Win percentage for ND for the period 1970-2010: 0.632

Win percentage for Michigan for the period 1970-2010: 0.715

For wins, we have 41 more in that period while only playing 2 fewer games than Notre Dame. 

 

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January 1st, 2013 at 10:18 AM | Stat Man to the Rescue (Score:1)
quiverfull
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someday i want to know where you get all that info, so readily at hand.    between that and your post about the rushing game after Christmas, i had to go back to stats 401, when i was taking tests for my teammates to remember some of that.

 

happy new year to all.

Quiverfull

January 1st, 2013 at 10:53 AM | With the subtraction of UM (Score:1)
AMazinBlue
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and the addition of the ACC, chery-picked I'm sure,  ND should take over the win pct. lead here shortly.

Once they do, ESPN and NBC and any media outlet will start to say it's the greatest statistical accomplishment in college sports history.  It's funny how some stats only mean something when certain teams or programs have the lead in them.

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January 1st, 2013 at 11:09 AM | Win percentage should exclude ties (Score:0 Flamebait)
January 1st, 2013 at 12:40 PM | I understand that logic, but (Score:0 Flamebait)
January 1st, 2013 at 5:20 PM | Questions about your numbers for Michigan's record (Score:1)
CalifExile
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Bentley shows Michigan with a record of 891-314-36 through 2010. Add 11-2 and 8-4 for 2011 and 2012 for a total of 910-320-36. It should also be noted that Bentley has not adjusted for the OSU and PSU forfeitures.

Why is your number different than Bentley's?

Did you take into account the losses that fall off our record because of the forfeits?

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January 1st, 2013 at 6:55 PM | Those are the official (Score:1 Normal)
robmorren2
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Those are the official records as observed by the NCAA. There is a pdf on NCAA.org that lists all individual & team records through the end of 2012. It's listed under "Team All Time Won-Lost Record by Percentage". I used their official numbers and added UM & ND's 2013 records to the totals.

January 2nd, 2013 at 2:47 PM | Thank you. (Score:1)
CalifExile
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I can't imagine why some idiot marked your reply as trolling.

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