jmblue

October 3rd, 2011 at 7:06 PM ^

That must be their record since they joined the Big Ten.  Or, it's since they actually became known as Michigan State University (and not College).

The true all-time record is 67-31-5 in our favor.

JClay

October 3rd, 2011 at 7:09 PM ^

The only mature response to this outrage is to never post a link to the Detroit News ever again. Continue to read them, and post the gist of their information here, but no links. It is unthinkable we support any news organization who maliciously attempts to harm the Michigan brand like this!

/s

gremlin

October 3rd, 2011 at 7:09 PM ^

Don't intend to sound rude, but I know what the true all time record is.  If you read the article, it states incorrectly 35-25-2 as the "all time record".  It does not specify the record being since we played for the paul bunyan trophy.

jmblue

October 3rd, 2011 at 10:46 PM ^

I think we have more than 12 wins against the SEC.  We've beaten Vanderbilt a bunch of times, and in bowl games we've beaten Alabama twice, Florida twice, and Arkansas, Ole Miss and Auburn once apiece.

Raoul

October 4th, 2011 at 12:34 PM ^

Just focusing on U-M's record against the SEC, the difference between the old record you used in your signature and the new one stems from whether or not Michigan played a particular team when they were currently a member of the SEC. The SEC wasn't formed until 1932, so the record of 20-6-1 you now cite includes 8 wins and 1 tie against Vanderbilt before the SEC was formed. Michigan also twice played South Carolina before they joined the SEC in 1991 (1 win and 1 loss), beat Kentucky in 1908, and beat Georgia Tech in 1934 when that school was an SEC member.

Here's a chart that appears to provide a full record of Michigan's results against SEC teams, and that includes only games when that team was part of the SEC. It appears to have one error because it includes two pre-1932 Vanderbilt games. If you take those two games out, the overall record becomes 12-5-0. (Source)

Individual Game Results of Michigan (vs SEC)

Date   Opponent (record) Result Score Site
1/1/2011 vs. Mississippi State (9-4) L 14 52 @ Jacksonville, FL Gator Bowl
1/1/2008 vs. Florida (9-4) W 41 35 @ Orlando, FL Capital One Bowl
9/2/2006 vs. Vanderbilt (4-8) W 27 7
1/1/2003 vs. Florida (8-5) W 38 30 @ Tampa, FL Outback Bowl
1/1/2002 vs. Tennessee (11-2) L 17 45 @ Orlando, FL Citrus Bowl
1/1/2001 vs. Auburn (9-4) W 31 28 @ Orlando, FL Citrus Bowl
1/1/2000 vs. Alabama (10-3) W 35 34 @ Miami, FL Orange Bowl
1/1/1999 vs. Arkansas (9-3) W 45 31 @ Orlando, FL Citrus Bowl
1/1/1997 vs. Alabama (10-3) L 14 17 @ Tampa, FL Outback Bowl
1/1/1991 vs. Mississippi (9-3) W 35 3 @ Jacksonville, FL Gator Bowl
1/2/1988 vs. Alabama (7-5) W 28 24 @ Tampa, FL Hall of Fame Bowl
1/2/1984 vs. Auburn (11-1) L 7 9 @ New Orleans, LA Sugar Bowl
9/20/1969 vs. Vanderbilt (4-6) W 42 14
10/2/1965 vs. Georgia (6-4) L 7 15
10/5/1957 vs. Georgia (3-7) W 26 0
10/3/1953 vs. Tulane (1-8-1) W 26 7
10/20/1934 vs. Georgia Tech (1-9) W 9 2
10/13/1923 vs. Vanderbilt (5-2-1) W 3 0
10/14/1922 @ Vanderbilt (8-0-1) T 0 0

 

Baldbill

October 3rd, 2011 at 7:20 PM ^

Hmmm, I see that MSU faithful are calling the Mike Hart quote about little brother a curse, since we have not beaten them since. Hmmm, what do we need to do to lift the curse?

EGD

October 3rd, 2011 at 7:47 PM ^

I have never understood why some people are always trying to discount old games, declaring certain time periods to have pre-dated an arbitrary "modern era" and thus being less relevant (or irrelevant).  Has the game changed over time?  Certainly.  But what makes a game from, say, 1920 any less important than the game from 1985?  Count them all, I say.

BigBlue02

October 3rd, 2011 at 7:54 PM ^

It's pretty simple.  The people whose teams don't have the history that Michigan does try to come up with excuses as to why our history shouldn't matter until they say it does.

wolpherine2000

October 4th, 2011 at 12:27 AM ^

...fans of teams with history tout overall records, Boise State fans talk about the last five years, and Lions fans are still gurgling about last Sunday. 

They are all valid, but I'll feel better reminding my coworkers about Michigan's historical dominance when the memories of the last three years are a tiny bit less vivid.

BigBlue02

October 4th, 2011 at 1:47 AM ^

Guess what...including the last 3 years, we still have the most wins and best win% of all time. Fans with history tout overall records because everyone who is below you is trying to catch you. Boise can go back 5 years all they want...I will go back 15 years and we have more wins and national championships. Why go back 15 years you ask? Because unless you look at the whole picture, you are fooling yourself.  That is why all time is so important. I could say to Boise that judging on the last game only, we are a better team than you.

Be proud of Michigan's history. If you try to erase the last 3 years, you aren't any better than the State fans who think the rivalry starts when they think it does instead of when it actually does.

Leaders And Best

October 3rd, 2011 at 8:02 PM ^

The Detroit News probably used the Wikipedia page for the Paul Bunyan Trophy as their reference.

Looking at the edit history of the page, it is clear that Sparty fans have been fighting their own jihad to try to rewrite the history of the rivalry by continuing to edit out the history of the rivalry before the trophy, creating the myth of the "Mike Hart Curse?", and having 5 of the 8 notable games listed as MSU wins when they have only won about 1/3 of the actual games.  Unbelievable.