According to the Detroit News it's 35-25-2. What a complete joke. How are they allowed to publish blatant falsehoods?
All Time Record vs MSU [Once again SFW]
since we started the Paul Bunyan Trophy
WE did not start that lame trophy.
That must be their record since they joined the Big Ten. Or, it's since they actually became known as Michigan State University (and not College).
The true all-time record is 67-31-5 in our favor.
I was looking at my grandfather's 1938 Michigan State COLLEGE yearbook recently. It was titled the "Wolverine". They were wannabes even back then.
The only mature response to this outrage is to never post a link to the Detroit News ever again. Continue to read them, and post the gist of their information here, but no links. It is unthinkable we support any news organization who maliciously attempts to harm the Michigan brand like this!
This is almost certainly an honest mistake. The Freep jihad, not so much.
Calibrate your equipment.
Still trying to drive that point home? Keep carrying that torch, man
Don't intend to sound rude, but I know what the true all time record is. If you read the article, it states incorrectly 35-25-2 as the "all time record". It does not specify the record being since we played for the paul bunyan trophy.
I think we have more than 12 wins against the SEC. We've beaten Vanderbilt a bunch of times, and in bowl games we've beaten Alabama twice, Florida twice, and Arkansas, Ole Miss and Auburn once apiece.
Just focusing on U-M's record against the SEC, the difference between the old record you used in your signature and the new one stems from whether or not Michigan played a particular team when they were currently a member of the SEC. The SEC wasn't formed until 1932, so the record of 20-6-1 you now cite includes 8 wins and 1 tie against Vanderbilt before the SEC was formed. Michigan also twice played South Carolina before they joined the SEC in 1991 (1 win and 1 loss), beat Kentucky in 1908, and beat Georgia Tech in 1934 when that school was an SEC member.
Here's a chart that appears to provide a full record of Michigan's results against SEC teams, and that includes only games when that team was part of the SEC. It appears to have one error because it includes two pre-1932 Vanderbilt games. If you take those two games out, the overall record becomes 12-5-0. (Source)
Individual Game Results of Michigan (vs SEC)
Date Opponent (record) Result Score Site 1/1/2011 vs. Mississippi State (9-4) L 14 52 @ Jacksonville, FL Gator Bowl 1/1/2008 vs. Florida (9-4) W 41 35 @ Orlando, FL Capital One Bowl 9/2/2006 vs. Vanderbilt (4-8) W 27 7 1/1/2003 vs. Florida (8-5) W 38 30 @ Tampa, FL Outback Bowl 1/1/2002 vs. Tennessee (11-2) L 17 45 @ Orlando, FL Citrus Bowl 1/1/2001 vs. Auburn (9-4) W 31 28 @ Orlando, FL Citrus Bowl 1/1/2000 vs. Alabama (10-3) W 35 34 @ Miami, FL Orange Bowl 1/1/1999 vs. Arkansas (9-3) W 45 31 @ Orlando, FL Citrus Bowl 1/1/1997 vs. Alabama (10-3) L 14 17 @ Tampa, FL Outback Bowl 1/1/1991 vs. Mississippi (9-3) W 35 3 @ Jacksonville, FL Gator Bowl 1/2/1988 vs. Alabama (7-5) W 28 24 @ Tampa, FL Hall of Fame Bowl 1/2/1984 vs. Auburn (11-1) L 7 9 @ New Orleans, LA Sugar Bowl 9/20/1969 vs. Vanderbilt (4-6) W 42 14 10/2/1965 vs. Georgia (6-4) L 7 15 10/5/1957 vs. Georgia (3-7) W 26 0 10/3/1953 vs. Tulane (1-8-1) W 26 7 10/20/1934 vs. Georgia Tech (1-9) W 9 2 10/13/1923 vs. Vanderbilt (5-2-1) W 3 0 10/14/1922 @ Vanderbilt (8-0-1) T 0 0
Hmmm, I see that MSU faithful are calling the Mike Hart quote about little brother a curse, since we have not beaten them since. Hmmm, what do we need to do to lift the curse?
Kill three chickens at midnight during a full moon in the middle of the Big House?
murder 5 hookers at SMU?
- Craig James
Didn't they say the "curse" applied to both football and basketball? We've taken care of one of those already.
Basketball has changed the tide on the curse
We don't need anything but better players and better coaches. Curses are invented by fan bases with inferiority complexes and those not used to success, both of which are pretty much synonomous with Sparty.
You're obviously not a Cubs fan. They're real. I promise.
I have been in Chicago two months and I can second his statement.
How do we address the curse? It's already been addressed, his name is Brady Hoke.
all good answers but I may be leaning toward the 3 chicken thing, but have also been a Lions fan for a long time.
all those Sparty slappies are going to latch onto this and preach it as fact. <facepalm>
I have never understood why some people are always trying to discount old games, declaring certain time periods to have pre-dated an arbitrary "modern era" and thus being less relevant (or irrelevant). Has the game changed over time? Certainly. But what makes a game from, say, 1920 any less important than the game from 1985? Count them all, I say.
It's pretty simple. The people whose teams don't have the history that Michigan does try to come up with excuses as to why our history shouldn't matter until they say it does.
...fans of teams with history tout overall records, Boise State fans talk about the last five years, and Lions fans are still gurgling about last Sunday.
They are all valid, but I'll feel better reminding my coworkers about Michigan's historical dominance when the memories of the last three years are a tiny bit less vivid.
Guess what...including the last 3 years, we still have the most wins and best win% of all time. Fans with history tout overall records because everyone who is below you is trying to catch you. Boise can go back 5 years all they want...I will go back 15 years and we have more wins and national championships. Why go back 15 years you ask? Because unless you look at the whole picture, you are fooling yourself. That is why all time is so important. I could say to Boise that judging on the last game only, we are a better team than you.
Be proud of Michigan's history. If you try to erase the last 3 years, you aren't any better than the State fans who think the rivalry starts when they think it does instead of when it actually does.
The Detroit News probably used the Wikipedia page for the Paul Bunyan Trophy as their reference.
Looking at the edit history of the page, it is clear that Sparty fans have been fighting their own jihad to try to rewrite the history of the rivalry by continuing to edit out the history of the rivalry before the trophy, creating the myth of the "Mike Hart Curse?", and having 5 of the 8 notable games listed as MSU wins when they have only won about 1/3 of the actual games. Unbelievable.
to know is who gets to decide what the "Notable Trophy Games" are?
for any thread on mgoblog. hellacious drain in mgopoints, commence!
ya that is the first boob shot i have ever seen on this here blog.
let's separate ourselves as far as possible from RCMB please.
I'm at Yost at the game and this image popped up on my phone with kids around. Ban hammer, please
tag this NSFW before StephenRKass sees it!!!
I'm in class "taking notes" (reading mgoblog) and everyone behind me probably thinks I'm looking at porn
Don't tempt the kitty...
2008: UM 1 fumble, 3 INTs, allowed MSU 167 yards rushing
2009: UM 1 fumble, 1 INT, allowed MSU 197 yards rushing
2010: UM 0 fumble, 3 INTs, allowe MSU 249 yards rushing
MSU's defense is good, but Michigan's generosity with the ball the last 3 years is unlikely to continue. MSU is 10th in the league in rushing (129 yds/game).
Big Differences in 2011:
1. MSU's defense is better than any year prior, except maybe 1978 or 1966.
2. MSU has great running backs, but doesn't use them. MSU is mainly a passing team this year. Dan Roushar replacing Don Treadwell as OC.
3. Michigan's defense can apparently hold it's own vs. passing teams (4th in the league and 176 yds/gm) and is actually forcing quite a few turnovers and converting them into points.
4. MSU really sucks on 3rd down this year: 35% success rate thus far (Roushar?). Meanwhile, Borges has Michigan at 50% conversion rate.
5. Both teams have displayed turnover issues: MSU with 7, Michigan with 8 over 5 games.
I was 3 years old in 1978 so I don't remember either of those years, but the best Spartan defense during my lifetime had to have been the '87 unit with Percy Snow. I think this year's Spartan defense is pretty good but the '87 edition was much better, IMO--although, coincidentally, both teams did give up 31 points to ND.
This year's D is good....but I wouldn't classify them as great. There is 1 senior starter and can be great next year.
Well, one senior who is probably your second best player on D. And your best will likely go pro after this year. So although it will still likely be good, losing your two best players isn't a great thing to have happen, especially considering your depth on the DL.
We didn't give up 31 to ND that year. We gave up 26. That was a rebuilding season (back in the days when 8-4 was considered rebuilding) because we had to replace Jim Harbaugh.
The game against MSU was the infamous one where Demetrious Brown threw 7 interceptions. And despite playing THAT bad, we still had a shot to beat MSU's Rose Bowl team in the final minute. Greg McMurty was wide open in the end zone but Brown threw into into traffic for his 7th pick.
That was the first time in 18 years that MSU beat us at Spartan Stadium.
I said that the Spartans gave up 31 to ND in 1987, not UM. But I do remember that 7 INT game from Demetrius Brown. Brutal.
It's not so much that MSU doesn't use its backs as that it's had trouble running behind a rebuilt O-line. If they can move the ball on the ground, they will.
But didn't they leak the story about how Craig James KILLED FIVE HOOKERS? They've got to be telling nothing but facts here.
This reminds me of a book I bought from Borders a couple years back. It's called "Backyard Brawl," about the UM/MSU rivalry and it's history. There's plenty of old articles from the Ann Arbor News and the Lansing State Journal about most of the games. They had to include every MSU win over us and NOT include 35 wins we've had over Sparty in order for both schools to get equal coverage.
I'm sorry but that Paul Bunyan trophy is stupid anyway. MSU is the only side that gives a crap about it. They parade it on the field after a win like it's a Super Bowl trophy. With UM, they get it in the lockerroom and that's it. They don't hoist it up on the field like with the Little Brown Jug. The only thing Lloyd ever said about the trophy was that it's the ugliest in college football. I never once heard Bo talk about the trophy and his teams beat the living tar out of MSU 17 times in 20 years. There were even times in the 50's and 60's where Blue didn't bother taking the trophy back to Ann Arbor with them. They just left it on the field. Sparty had to paint the final score and keep it for the year even though they lost. I say let them keep it.
And no, Mike Hart did not start a curse when he made the little brother comment. I would put that more on RichRod and the worst 3 year stretch in program history. The last 3 seasons would have happened even if Hart had not said a thing.
Jesus Tap-Dancing Christ on a Cracker, you of all people ought to know that's complete bullshit. As bad as the three years under RR were, they don't begin to compare with the dumpster fire of 34-35-36, when we went 6-16, were shut out 11 times, and our combined point totals against MSU, Minnesota, and OSU over those three seasons were 13-62, 0-100, and 0-93, respectively.
Yes, we did not score a single point against the two major powers in our conference, OSU and Minnesota, for three straight seasons. Not a single fucking point.
I'm not carrying a torch for RR. His firing was justifiable, and hiring Hoke appears to have been a master stroke by David Brandon. However, calling RR's tenure the worst three-year stretch in Michigan's history is a willful distortion of history, one that is not supported by the facts on record.
And before you start mentioning the NCAA issues under RR, MVictors ran some time ago the story of the eventual firing of Harry Kipke, which was as much due to his shady, OSU-style practice of allowing players to get paid for summer jobs that they did not perform as it was the last three miserable years of his career at UM.
You're correct that that stretch was worse, but when you have to go back 75 years to find something worse than the last three years, well, that kind of sums it up. It was the worst three-year stretch in most fans' lifetimes.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but this has to be one of the silliest rants I've ever seen.
Also, it struck me that it's possible - unlikely, but possible - that my grandfather remembers those teams. I'll ask him which stretch was worse.
Isn't that the whole reason we are laughing at the Spartans? Because they are making their own justifications for why not to count games? You and jmblue sound just like MSU fans talking about the rivalry.
"Well, I can't remember it, so it doesn't count. The last 3 years count though because it just happened."
No, that's not what I'm saying. What I am saying is this: defending a three-year record by noting that during the Great Depression (75-77 years ago), we were a little worse, is not much of a defense at all.
If your only standard for success is "not the absolute worst in school history," you're setting the bar very low.
The block M stood for mediocrity in those days. Those years represent 85% of MSU's tradition. Every other decade has largely been nondescript.
I'm done wringing my hands about the spartans. Yeah, they beat Michigan the last 3 years. So did everyone else. Its time for a reality check. I'm not saying that Western Michigan is better than MSU. But if they played on a neutral field, I wouldn't put non-expendable money on either team. Be honest. You wouldn't either.
Sparty really pushes the Bunyan Trophy record as the "all-time record" because they don't want to admit how many times they have really lost to Michigan. When people are doing superficial "research," it is the Bunyan Trophy record that usually pops up, with no mention of other games.
The researcher has to possess enough logic or knowledge to figure out that the two teams played long before 1953. Apparently, they can't afford to hire that kind of researchers at the Detnews.
My overall sentiment is "Who gives a $h!t".
Will you sleep better at night if you get a bunch of victories from the 1910's-1940's?
Michigan historically has a better football program than MSU. Everyone with half a brain knows that.
We've beaten you three times in a row. I hope we make it four.
That is all.