before 2005, nobody complained about 4 losses either
For all the pain - we had a good season
That's not true. We had four four-loss seasons in a row from 1993-96 and it got Carr under a lot of heat going into 1997. There has historically been a big perceived difference here between three and four losses.
Lloyd was considered an underwhelming hire and there were still people who thought Cam Cameron was the better choice, which certainly played into that pressure
It's hard to consider it a good season after you've lost to every top opponent you've played. Basically we only best second-tier teams. So the season was average at best.
People predicting we would field a better team this year than last year's and have a worse record.
Next year I predict we field a very similar team and win at least 2 more games.
We got fucked with this scheduling
The team and the seniors deserved better than this. This conference is ripe for the picking this year. With the defense playing the way that it is, and all of the experienced talent returning on offense, we should have won the Big Ten title.
Alabama was impossible, and the team's own mistakes killed hope of winning the ND game.
But Hoke and his staff made significant mistakes in the two Big Ten losses, and need to act quickly to fix some things:
1) Lack of ability to win any kind of big game on the road.
2) Stubborness bordering on foolishness in the play calling today.
3) Not trying something, anything different after the first few series of Bellomy at Nebraska.
4) Lack of any sort of step forward for the O-line all year, to the point of actual regression.
If these things do not get fixed quickly, we could be staring four losses in the face for the next couple of years.
and four losses against real teams.
FWIW, Sagarin's predictor isn't too impressed with tOSU
I'd like to think we were better than the production below.
Sagaring College Football 2012 Rankings
through games of Saturday, November 17
Being honest here but there wasn't much that was good about this season.
1-2 in rivalry games
No conference championship
No BCS bowl
Didn't see much growth from any players cept Devin late at QB
We never used the few weapons we had ( How many targets did Funches have all season)
Our coaching staff looked incompetent and I'm sorry but you have to blame Hoke just as much as Borges he is the head coach after all.
Borges should have to publicly appologize to Denard after that last game
Mostly agree if I'm feeling pessimistic except I think Jake Ryan progressed.
You're right I didn't really count the defense where we saw so much growth the last 2 years I kind of over looked it. I wanted these seniors to end the season with a roar but all we got was a sick whimper. Hoke should reevaluate his offensive staff this off season , if he doesn't I'm sure Dave Brandon will. Al Borges is one of the highest paid offensive coordinators in the Big ten
by the standards we want for ourselves. But it wasn't a catastrophe either. Can we please wait until the bowl game before jumping to all these wild conclusions? The bowl will probably tell quite a bit.
I hope that it's entirely because of a talent deficit, if you know what I mean.
It is NEVER a good season when you lose to Ohio, and I bet the players to a man would agree.
Why is whenever MIchigan suffers a loss of some relative pain the threads split evenly into two camps everytime:
Camp 1 - "All is lost - coaches suck - fire people" group
Camp 2 - "Things really arent bad and now that I think about it it's probably a good thing we lost" group
Do all boards do this?
Yep, because the rational folks in the middle don't care enough to post about it online most of the time.
When I get off this ledge with my iPhone.
Why would anyone want to be a rational M fan? What's the fun in that? I watch for the excitement of it, and I have a great passion for Michigan football. If you take away the high expectations, everything that's special about Michigan football goes right out the window with it. Can you imagine what Bo would think if he heard this? Sorry, can't abide by this.
Bo would think "we'll get 'em next year... for now, we have a bowl game to win"
Geez. Does anyone just enjoy watching sports anymore? We got to see a bunch of exciting games this year, we got to see Denard be Denard and do crazy stuff only he can do, and we even got the MSU monkey off our backs.
Obviously we'd prefer our team wins every game, but good heavens people, take a minute to stop whining and picking nits.
love to win and get mad when we lose, but man you're absolutely right, people (including myself) get to involved and can't enjoy the game
This is just crazy talk.
What is enjoyable about losing? How does one enjoy it? I have never figured out how people do that.
I don't enjoy losing one bit, I enjoy overanalyzing what we could have done differently, and I'm certainly not advocating giving everyone ribbons for trying or anything. Doesn't mean I'm going to freak the F out every time we don't score as many points as the other team.
... It's the Jimmy's and Joe's
Monster recruiting success is the main reason to not melt down. The schedule next year will be kind as well. Give Borges a full year with Gardner and then let's take stock of where this staff is.
Never forget the real tire fire season a few years ago.
He has never had a top-tier offense. I believe 17th in the nation was as high as it ever got for him.
His ceiling was evidenced by his playing calling on Saturday. His decision-making shows severe deficiency.
Push him out the door.
Well, a good season just isn't good enough. You can be happy with it, but I want a great season.
Let's face the facts, this has turned into a horrible year. Not just based on the fact of Michigan's mediocre record, but the 2 teams that we hate the most are undefeated. That's just rubbing salt in the wound. Thank God for Ohio's sanctions or I would have to be on suicide watch right now haha
It was a very forgettable season in my opinion. We lost to some very good teams, and we beat some very bad teams. I wouldn't call that a good season. It was a mediocre season. The horrible home slate combined with the poor performances in prime time made it even worse.
I don't know if this is heartening at all, but Notre Dame went 8-5 last year and they're in the national title game this year largely due to a suffocating defense and a mediocre offense. Wouldn't be surprised if Michigan made the same jump next year, and Michigan gets all their tough games at home.
We all knew this season was possible back in August. We knew the preseason ranking was too high, but it may be too low next year. I'm looking forward to it.
...500 team in contention late in the season, but these are the type of LLoyd seasons that will eventually get tiresome and get you fired fast. You have to win one or two the games we lost this year. We manufactured wins against lesser opponents this year....msu, northwestern, Air Force but fell flat in the big ones. All of them. Again, loved the make up of this team but technically the results indicate a work in progress. I am thinking a victory of a non-meddling bowl opponent could be a huge and unexpected step for us. Unlikely but I would prefer to give it go then face another 4 loss team.
In the Carr years, 8-4 was the floor. So at least we appear to be back in that neighborhood consistently. But this 8-4 feels about as hollow as 8-4 can get. We got back on the right side of the MSU rivarly but after that there's not much except games that left me feeling kinda shitty. Don't get me wrong--I love these players and, aside from Borges' playcalling in the big games, I love this coaching staff. The whole thing is headed back in the right direction. But the season itself was pretty lame, from the schedule with all the good stuff except State away from Michigan Stadium to losing a very winnable game in Ohio Toilet to back to some down-roster Florida bowl.
On the bright side, along with squeaking past a one-armed MSU team, the most basic objective--bowl eligibility--never seemed like it was going to be an issue.
than Al "I like to call shitty plays" Borges! They should have been 10-2, 11-1 if Gardner had been ready vs Nebraska (I don't put all of that on Borges, Hoke is the head coach and clearly Gardner was a far better option).
8-4 and needed a miracle to beat NW, who also happens to be the signature win on the schedule, and you want me to call that good? I am not ready to become that kind of fan. Have we fallen so far that we forget....THIS IS MICHIGAN FERGODSAKES!
This isn't elementary school... we don't all get blue ribbons for participation. This team was mediocre, is a mediocre conference. Not good enough, no morale victories here.
This entire discussion confuses me. I have yet to hear why or how anyone has a ligitimate claim of entitlement to football success as they define it.
Anything less than perfection is UNACCEPTABLE. We will not accept it. This is me not accepting it.
Isn't it safe to say that the coach (whom I support, this isn't me calling for anyone's head) set up that expectation? So chiding it and those who follow it seems disingenous to me.
he set it up as a goal
he did not promise you 10 wins a year every year for perpetuity
Your omission of at least 2 exclamation points after "UNACCEPTABLE" clearly indicates that you ARE accepting it.
Which means you embrace mediocrity and have no business rooting for M and your dog should have a shiv stuck in its left hind leg and your house should burn to the ground. You scum.
1 decent team we beat. This season was a major disappointment. Our two best wins were against two mediocre teams, and both at home. We needed a heroic ending to beat freaking Northwestern at home for gods sake. Our other best win we couldn't even muster up a touchdown against a fucking 6-6 team whom lost to Iowa at home. To call this a nice season deserves a spot on a SNL skit about lowered expectations.
You know what deserves a SNL skit? Some fan's expectations. Rodriguez comes to Ann Arbor and his apologists lecture on the bare cupboard and time it will take to transition for the football wizard to rescue the Wolverines from almost two straight decades of winning records and bowl game appearances. Hoke arrives, restores pride, delivers two straight winning seasons and bowl appearances from a ridiculously bare cupboard and you are talking major disappointment?
Coaching overcame what coaching could overcome. What Michigan ran face first into this season is the limitations of their roster...no upperclass depth, no elite WRs or RBs, weak OL, etc. and they still managed to win the games they should win and compete in all but two games.
Major disappointment would have been a .500 or below record. This season was respectable, not glorious, but respectable and there is every reason to believe in the foundation Hoke and company is building.
teams we played with a pulse, unless you throw in Northwestern who consistently plays above their expected level based on their talent pool.
I don't look back on this past season and think we did anything other than beat the teams that we clearly should have.
We are still no where close to being a legitimate threat nationally. I feel like we are back to where we were prior to 2008. Cannot win the big games, our offense is abysmal, and our defense keeps us in games. Our best shot to be a top tier program was with RichRods offense. I am extremely nervous to see what this offense will become with all of our playmakers gone (Denard). The future is not as bright as it once appeared. We need to get used to a lot of 8-4 seasons and the Capital One bowl.
While losing to 2/3 rivals, and watching them go undefeated, is not a good season. Sorry if I'm a downer. Am proud and always will be proud of our players and coaches, but I expect a lot more than 8-4.
Am happy with what Hoke has done so far, but I think Borges' lack of knowing how to use Denard really hurt us. Held us back Big time.
Getting embarassed in Jerryworld for the whole country to see doesn't excite me either.
Borges is a terrible big game coach.
4 losses doesnt cut, with loses to ND and OSU. No Big Ten title or a Rose Bowl. Aren't those their main goals. It wasnt a disapiontoing or surprising year. This year could springboard us like the two seasons before the 97 did for that team. I expect a Rose Bowl next year. With a strong D, and a expirienced DG.
we lose the vast majority of our road games.
= we are not that good.
Hoke is 4-5 on the road and 1-1 on neutral sites. That's not great but when you look at the teams he's lost to, it's more understandable:
2011 MSU (11-3)
2011 Iowa (7-6 - this one is the obvious sore point)
2012 Alabama (11-1)
2012 ND (12-0)
2012 Nebraska (10-2)
2012 OSU (12-0)
The way our scheduling works makes even-numbered years pretty daunting, although odd-numbered years work out nicely.
Looking at it another way: As HC at Michigan, Brady Hoke's teams have yet to beat a team on the road during the regular season that has finished its own regular season with a winning record. Given the situation he stepped into, a two-season sample size can't be regarded as a definitive measure of his coaching ability. However, if we're still looking for that first road win against a quality team at the end of next season, we'll have plenty of justification for a bit of doubt.
the away schedule is UConn, Penn State, MSU, Northwestern.
UConn should be awful, PSU and MSU will probably upset someone along the way, but I doubt they finish with double digit wins, and Northwestern could be surprisingly good or find a way to choke several games away again. The schedule next year, and the away schedule in particular, is a cakewalk compared to this year.