Ugh. I just want to be happy.
But we can't always have what we want.
A married woman wants a girlfriend? What?
Has been lacking lately.
...and be careful what you ask for. ;o
Agree. Going into this said I would be happy with a tie. This was the worst kind but still a tie
-________________- so close! Anyone have a quick thing about scenarios?
See page 50.
5.) The ranking of each team in each group shall be determined as follows:
a) greatest number of points obtained in all group matches;
b) goal difference in all group matches
c) greatest number of goals scored in all group matches
If two or more teams are equal on the basis of the above three criteria, their rankings shall be determined as follows:
e) greatest number of points obtained in the group matches between the teams concerned;
f) goal difference resulting from the group matches between the teams concerned;
g) greatest number of goals scored in all group matches between the teams concerned;
h) FIFA rock-scissors-paper equivalent
The dangerous outcome is for Ghana to beat Portugal while the US loses. In that event, the best the US can do is to tie Ghana on b) if the US loses by only one and Ghana wins by only one, Then, dropping to c) the US would advance if it scores the same or more goals than Ghana in the final game. Ghana would advance if it scores two or more goals than the US in the final game. If Ghana scores exactly one more goal than the US, then the tiebreaker would fall to d), which the US wins.
GO USA! Go Portugal!
US has a 76% chance of advancing according to Nate Silver.
hasn't watched the US defense.
In all honesty what's that based on? If Germany wants to score 4, don't you think they can do it? I do.
And no to the second part. If that was the case, why didn't they beat Ghana?
Fuck those that wanted that Ghana/Germany draw
I am pretty sure that Klinsmann and Low can negotiate a draw that will send both teams through... they can even do it in German
Not saying they'll completely mail it in, but both teams know they go through with a draw. There's no need for either side to take big risks on offense, and they're smart enough to know that. I wouldn't at all be surprised by a 0-0 draw.
Not long ago, in a Euro Cup (I think) there was a game between Sweden and Denmark in which a 2-2 draw guaranteed both teams to advance... the game ended 2-2.
You are aware this has been done before? Germany-Austria 1982 at the expense of Algeria.
Here ya go...
A draw with Germany guarantees we are in.
A loss with a Portugal-Ghana draw, and we are in.
A loss with a Portugal win, and we are probably in.
A loss with a Ghana win, and things are a bit hairy, but we may still be in.
And right now, that last bit looks the most likely
a loss with a portugal win wouldn't be a probable advancement. if germany wins on a three goal difference, and portugal wins on a two goal difference then we are out.
So you're saying it's NOT probable that Portugal does NOT make up a 5 goal differential?
portugal doesn't have to win 5-0 against ghana if germany beats us by a healthy margin. which is the scenario i was commenting on. germany beats us, portugal beats ghana does not mean we probably move on. it would be the results of the match. if germany shuts us out, and scores two or three goals, and portugal wins against ghana with enough of a goal difference to get even with us. then we are out.
try and pay attention.
Uh I think you may need to be the one that pays attention. Although possible, it is not probable to make up a 5 GD
That's still an awful lot of goals to make up. If I'm the US I'm a lot more worried about Ghana.
A win against Germany also guarantees we are in. I believe!
If we lose by 1 goal to Germany and Ghana beats Portugal by 1 goal we go to 2nd tiebreaker which would require us to score a lot of goals vs Germany. Which is not something we will be counting on. Basically a win of any sort of Ghana takes us out if we lose to Germany. A blowout by Portugal would also cause issues but I just don't see any way that happens.
I think a negotiated settlement between JK and the Germanys is the best solution for all parties involved :). Germans like clean solutions - let's do it.
when I want it, all the time.
And I'm not trying to make some sort of philosophical point here. I'm venting like a toddler that had his candy taken away.
I want it back.
When I was younger my dad would always say "ties" are like kissing your sister. I don't wanna kiss my sister...
Assuming your sister is hot
a draw when coming from behind, and you are facing being knocked out of the group stages... amazing.
a draw when you were up by one goal, and are on the verge of advancing to the knock out stages... heart wrenching.
here's hoping that portugal either draws with or beats ghana by less than a four goal difference, and germany doesn't absolutely destroy us.
was down five players and Ronaldo wasn't at full strength. A draw is rather disappointing especially with a spot in the next round guaranteed.
like i said. disapointing for us. amazing for them.
Henri, you bastard otter, you...
Germany is a must win/tie. If we lose to them by more than 1 goal, and Ghana beats Portugal, we're out.
I don't have a lot of faith in our defense to contain the Germans right now.
That game will be way more fun to watch than USA vs Germany. Both Ghana and Portugal need a win, and Portugal need like 30 goals. It'll be fireworks compared to the camping fest of ours.
if portugal/ghana is a draw then yes we are in. portugal could still sneak past us depending on how the matches play out thursday.
like others however i'm betting my sweet cheeks that klinsmann is negotiating a draw with germany right now. even though they really have nothing to lose at this point with a +4 goal difference. i doubt they want to take off chance at drama.
What's the over/under on goals we give up against Germany? 3? They have guys that can put it in the back of the net . . often.
Our D sucks and it's sucked since 1990. Only Howard keeps us competitive.
aside from one major blunder, and a bit of last second magic against portugal our defense has played lights out this WC.
awe. someone is mad that i disagree with their illogical assesments. people that don't understand a game, and then make ridiculous statements like "our defense sucks" make's me giggle.
memorable sporting events IMO. Sigh.
We gave up the latest regulation time goal in WC history: 94':32''
we're still tied for first, until we get annhilated by Germany. Sorry for being the voice of reason, but the U.S. is done. Not a chance in hell we tie them. Jorgan Klinsman is the soccer version of Brady Hoke......just utterly incapable of winning the big game. I know many of you may not like to hear this but I say it as a UofM alum and American Citizen.
Brady hoke is coaching michigan talent and klinsman is coaching Minnesota level talent.
Klinsman is coaching a bunch of guys that are not as talented as the rest of the field...I was merely speaking to the fact that both he and Hoke can clearly not get the job done when facing big opponents. If coach Kill was up a touchdown against Ohio in the final 30 seconds, I bet he would be able to close out the game and get the W. Any rational Michigan fan cannot argue that we would also be able to do the same. This is not a slight against Hoke or Klinsman, just an observation that their complete incompetence in big game situations hurt us
is tied atop the group of death after two games. This is a remarkable feat. The USA has produced a team in the country's 4th or 5th most popular sport that is currently tied atop the group of death in the World Cup.
This is not a slight against Hoke or Klinsman, just an observation that their complete incompetence in big game situations hurt us
Maybe you don't know what a "slight" is then? Because yes, that is a slight.