we shall see, I suppose.
Peppers at 10, which seems low.
we shall see, I suppose.
who has him as an ND lean? (obviously not 247).
/negs self for bringing him up
Damefan is definitely not lean.
Yeah where is the ND lean idea coming from? Based on everything I've read, it seems like he is a very slight UM lean. Earlier in the prcoess it seemed like he was a stronger UM lean, but that things have tightened up. Still people seem to be indicating that UM is probably #1 with ND just behind at #2.
I have also heard ND lean for Bars.
What's the source? No one in this thread has given any sources for saying that he's an ND lean. I don't have any subscriptions, so I don't know myself, but based on 247 alone, he seems to be a Michigan lean.
Look, I'm not saying you need to take my word as gospel, it's just what I heard. Not every bit of info in the world has links involved, and I don't keep links from everything I've read. The preponderance of what I've read lately leads me to think he's an ND lean, and you can take that however you'd like.
I do have a good friend who played football at MBA and he thinks M has the inside track, FWIW.
"Not every bit of info in the world has links involved"
Ah, so it's one of those bits of info that's been successfully kept off the Internet.
It has probably made it to the internet somewhere, but if I didn't get it from the internet, I can't really link to it, can I? Should I hyperlink every conversation I have with friends or coworkers?
This who obsession with links has gone way overboard. Yes, if someone is posting actual news, a link is handy, if not necessary. But sometimes there are rumors or impressions or opinions that people have that are still worth reading that aren't from a specific article on the internet.
"But sometimes there are rumors or impressions or opinions that people have that are still worth reading that aren't from a specific article on the internet" I call bs unless you got a link?.
Is your impression from the preponderance of what you've read (which, if it wasn't on the internet, was probably from some collection of sources, at least some of which you could presumably list) or from conversations with friends or coworkers? What's the point of being cagey? I don't get why anyone would claim to have heard something and then pretend to be unable to give an idea of their sources unless they were just looking to be treated as though they were important. Feel free to enlighten me here, though.
i don't question any of the people (you included) who have posted that. i just want to know where the information comes from.
Are you saying rivals says that he is a ND lean?
Shouldn't he be slightly leaning toward UM? I mean doesn't his brother play here?
his dad played at ND and the family wanted both older brothers to get ND offers (but didn't). hope i'm wrong but i have a hard time seeing him not going to ND if he decides soon.
I've got the feeling he's nd bound too.
To hell with Notre Dame.
I fee like this ND lean is one of the self pepetuation things. Someone posted that he's an ND lean, and then it kind of spread, and now everybody is saying it so it becomes the "truth". However, I've not read from an actual insider that he's an ND lean (caveat is that I don't have subs to all the services so I don't know what everybody is saying). The person we all trust the most on this issue is not sure what he's thinking. The impression was that he was very high on UM earlier, but now it is not certain. He was entertaining the southern schools seriously. At this point, I don't think anybody except Alex really knows what he's doing.
But I have also heard that he is an ND lean*
People were saying Ian Bunting was an ND lean up until he committed. I agree that there are a lot of "presumed leans" for ND.
That's why links don't matter for what people have heard. There are so many opinions out there, and most people are guessing. Some guesses are more educated than others, but they are still mostly guesses.
in the fold, what are the projections for OL with a smaller number of scholarships next year?
Currently we have 8 commits:
OL - 2
QB - 1
WR - 2
TE - 1
DT - 1
LB - 1
I've know we're done at TE/QB. I hear we are taking 1 more LB and 1 more WR, which brings us to 10.
I see us taking up to 2 DBs, 2 DEs, and 1 RB which would bring us to 15.
Anyone have a better idea on the numbers or how many we're targetting for the OL? If we *hypothetically* (*knocks on wood*) got Bars, would that close out the o-line for us this class?
I was wondering if this announcement had anything to do with JBB's recent commitment and the possibility that we have only one more OL spot available in this class. Seems like pretty close timing. If Bars wants to snatch up the (potentially) last OL spot, I'm all for it.
I bet we take 10 guys on each side of the ball, and he breakdown looks like:
4 OL, TE, QB, RB, 3 WR, 2 DT, 2 DE, 3 LB, 3 DB.
Maybe we take three DL and four DBs though.
I also think this class will end up at around 20, but I don't see 3 LBs... I think we'll take another TE/FB or 4 WRs before we take 3 LBs.
I disagree. We only took two last year, so talking two this year is kind of pushing it. If we go above 16 spots (which I'm sure we will) a third LB will be one of the first additions.
We only took 2 last year and next year is supposed to be a small class also. If we only take 2 this year will we even have space to grab more than 2 next year?
Probably only 1 more OL with Cole and JBB already in the fold. That brings them to 16 the current limit for the class. At that point you take the best available if more scholarships open up, as there are no real holes in the depth chart anymore. If you get some attrition at one position they probably target that position.
I don't know much about ND's OL situation, but since we just picked up a OL commit my maize and blue goggles want me to beleive that his commitment may have accelerated Bar's timeline. Pure Speculation though.
Hey, we must have the same goggles, because I came to the same speculative conclusion. Did you get yours at MDen?
Post by 247's Clint Brewster, one of the Michigan writers for the site, when asked what he feels about his pick of Bars to Michigan:
"Yeah I still feel confident but not quite as much as I did before. I know Barton Simmons has a great relationship with Bars and he still has him going to Michigan"
All the people who are saying that Bars is an ND lean are basing it off the fact that ND fans have said supposedly the dad wants him to go to ND and the only reasons his brother's didn't is because they didn't get offered. That may be true, and Bars may go to ND, but I've yet to see anything from any expert or writer saying Bars to ND.
What the hell was everybody supposed to think? Hood had been very up-front and vocal that ND was his favorite pretty much his entire recruitment. Then he suddenly says "I need to stay closer to home", and listed UNC as his leader. Were they supposed to think 'oh, gee, well even though you said UNC is your leader, we think that eventually your family is going to come around to you living in South Bend so you can attend your professed favorite school'?
Exactly. Hood openly said that he wanted to stay closer to home. You can't expect even the "experts" to think differently than what the kid says himself.
It's almost like speculating on where a HS kid will go to college - whether you are paid to speculate or not - is pointless.
It's not entirely pointless. It gets us all on here arguing about it when we should be working. Amirite?
We should be breaking down horse recruits for UM's soccer team.
Kidding. I'm all for discussing recruiting, generally. Just hard to get worked up about "locks," "leans," predictions, and rival site nonsense.
So because one they got one pick wrong means they have no "real insight" into any recruiting situation? That seems like a blatant over reaction to me.
Obviously I'm not going to live and die by their word. They will be wrong sometimes, like with Hood and Bunting, and Bars seems like the type of kid who they could potentially be wrong on. But to say they have no real insight is foolish. They obviously don't know 100% where any kid is going until the LOI is signed, but they definitely have a better idea than us as fans.
And Hood was also a very unexpected situation. He said ND was his #1 for the longest time, then said he wanted to stay close to home in NC, and then before giving any indication that that wasn't the case he committed to ND. Now obviously this could happen with Bars as well, where he does something the "experts" don't expect, but that seems to be the exception and not the rule.
Nobody has any real insight. At this point, all the major services have access to every word a recruit has ever said. After that it's just a guessing game, and dollars to donuts no one service is consistently any better at guessing than any other.
to hell with ND
...but more recently Sam Webb said that the numbers crunch has clarified some things, and it looks like he might be feeling Michigan a bit more than was originally thought.
I think if he decides soon, that's good news for Michigan, since we only have one spot left at OL (not sure what ND's situation is like).
Yeah...I think Bushell-Beatty's commitment and this sudden announcement by Bars suggests that there's a connection. Sam Mustipher picked Notre Dame a couple weeks ago.
Obviously his brother being here helps make the decision to visit, but he's visited here twice as much as ND and we offered well before they did. That doesn't really scream "slight ND lean". Regardless of what the 247 guys say, visits are usually pretty telling.
Michigan lean the whole way....there was an anecdote from someone who met Bars and his family at the Outback bowl and he said Michigan and Tennessee were his top 2 IIRC. So Bars and Michigan have been closely linked together for a while
The Outback Bowl that was 5 months ago? Yeah I'm sure nothing changed....
I guess I wasn't clear enough, but I said Michigan has been it it pretty long and it isn't bad if UT has dropped (allegedly) while we've been at the top or near it for most of his recruitment.
Also that was a comment I would expect from a bitch
Are you a bitch?
Green is going to be in heaven running behind these mountains. Seriously...
2012 - Kalis, Magnuson, Williams, Braden, Bars
2013 - Bosch, Fox, Tuley-Tillman, Kugler, Dawson, Samuelson
2014 - Cole, Bushell-Beatty, Bars (?), ???
Our back-ups are mostly going to be 4 star recruits. Crazy recruiting by Hoke!
What does close mean in this situation?
I hope Bars goes blue. Sounds like he would be a good fit and a more natural tackle than the other recruits.
Doles is more of a center, right? If Bars commits is there still room for Doles?
Yes, Doles is being recruited as a center. It's thought that Michigan wants 3 linemen in 2014 until/unless more spots open up via attrition, so a Bars commitment might prevent someone like Doles from committing. However, recent word is that he's leaning toward Northwestern.
FWIW, I'll have a scouting report on Alex Bars up tomorrow morning.
I was just going to ask you how he compares to his brother.
Short answer: Alex is better.
More details at 7.
but I think the Bars family has shown family ties doesn't mean much. Didn't their Dad play for ND and the oldest brother for PSU? Then Blake came to Michigan.
Here's the skinny from Mgoblue:
"father, Joe, played linebacker at Notre Dame (1981-84), while uncle, Mike, played football and hockey at Notre Dame... is brother of Penn State junior/sophomore defensive end Brad Bars ... grandparents attended Michigan, while grandfather, Douglas Eggleston, played football at U-M."
Another interesting angle is the family lived in Michigan until 2003.
Here is a snippet from a Tom VH Mgoblog interview with Blake Bars back in June of 2011:
TOM: Ok, and to talk more specifically about Michigan how familiar are you with the program?
BLAKE: We lived in Trenton [Michigan] for around 12 years. I went to a Lloyd Carr camp in Wyandotte once, but I can't really tell you much more than that, I was pretty young. We did go up to Michigan last year and took a brief visit. We have relatives in Ann Arbor and we wanted to look around the stadium. We're excited to go back up and meet the coaches and go on a tour.
TOM: Does Michigan have any advantage with all this since you have family there and you've lived there before?
BLAKE: I think my Aunt who lives in Ann Arbor is a pretty good recruiter. She always says that if I come to Michigan she'll have special things for me. She'll bake me cookies and cook for me. I like the fact that my family is there, and my mom's uncle actually played for Michigan, but I'm not sure how much it will factor in.
Quenton Nelson just committed to ND, which makes it their 3rd 4* OL commit for the 2014 class. They took 5 last year and 3 the year before so that could be the end of their OL recruiting for 20014. Either that helps with Bars or it pushes him to commit to ND sooner as there is only one spot left.
Not a big surprise since the kid went to Red Bank Catholic High School and they have Notre Dame's leprechaun on their helmet.
ND will take at least 4 OL and will go as high as 5 ONLY if the fifth OL is 5* OT/G Braden Smith. All the recruits have been told the numbers situation and know that 4 is the magic number. B. Smith (TCU, & ND lead) has specifically been told that they'll reserve a 5th OL spot for him.
FWIW, most of the ND sites expect Bars to fall to them by the middle of the month.
Any reason why after taking 3 OL in '12 and 5 OL in '13 the coaches feel the need to take 4 or 5 in '14? 13 over 3 yeasr seems excessive unless they aren't happy with some of the 12 and 13 recruits already.
ND took 5 OL in 2011: Hanratty (G), Niklas (OT), Hegarty (G), Hounshell (G), N. Martin (G).
Niklas played OLB his first year and was moved to TE last year. Hounshell moved to DL.
So the real haul from that class was 3 OL.
ND took 2 OL in 2012: Stanley (OT), Harrell (G)
So ND took 5 OL over two classes 11 & 12.
ND took 5 OL in 2013 (last year): Bivin (OT), Elmer (OT), McGlinchey (OT), McGovern (G), Montelus (G).
So over the last 3 season ND has taken 10 total OL. That's kinda low numbers wise and I suspect that the reason why they'll do 4/5 this year is to get numbers and competition up to an acceptable level (3 lines deep). They'll probably go light 1 or 2 on OL next year.