Where the fuck was this aggressive play calling last week?
landing spot. will be interesting to see how he does.
Where the fuck was this aggressive play calling last week?
It was there if you go back and watch it. It's just the offense performed much better.
I mean, we ran the ball 54 times in this game, but with a great deal more success.
We also eliminated the turnovers in the passing game, and still hit on a bunch of deep passes.
I don't understand why people are choosing to ignore these facts. It's not ALL Al.
Tremendous. This needs to be on the front page.
Come on man. You're telling me the playcalling was the same? Just look at the first two drives, including the first three and out. FWIW I don't necessarily blame Borges for PSU gameplan, I still think Hoke may force his hands at time.
plays other than runs out of the I last week, Penn State couldn't have stacked the box. Then our run game would have been balanced.
Al passed to open the run game up tonight and guess what: we had a balanced offense.
I don't know. I will go back and rewatch on my DVR but it sure seemed like they ran out of the spread a ton more (early on at least) and didn't tip their plays nearly as much. Run/pass distribution rarely tells the whole story.
or Indiana is just ridiculously bad. I'm afraid it's closer to the latter than the former
They did beat PSU 44-24..... and instead of turtling when they were up 11 points going into the 4th quarter, they went for the jugular.
That's obviously part of it, but it's not the whole story at all. There weren't half as many powers and isos, and even so, those calls (even though they mostly didn't work again) are a lot more understandable since IU wasn't stacking the box.
I understand the phenomenon of fans basing their opinions of playcalling on whether it worked or not, but that's not what's going on here. Borges called this game much differently, and did so largely in accord with what the fanbase has been screaming for.
gone a lot differently had they been stacking the box from the beginning. I thought it was a big mistake when I first saw it. Still, Borges, Devin, Fitz, and Co did a great job. I thought this was the perfect answer to the criticisms of this week.
I also noticed they kept playing for the score with 2 and change left. I personally thought they were making a statement to their detractors. And, it has to be noted- Devin is improving as a quarterback. May it bring peace again to the boards. At least until the "Are our problems really Mattison's fault?" posts.
If we had run and come up short, Indiana would have taken its final time out and got the ball back needing a TD and a FG (in either order) made possible by an onsides kick recovery. Not much different than had we thrown an incompletion.
The first down, there, however, gives Mich at least four pre-snap downs with Indiana only able to stop the clock once. Almost a kneel down, as we could have taken a good 2:00 off the clock on the three non-timeout plays. Nice to see Borges go for the high payoff / moderate-to-low risk play.
My only quibble with the Hoke 4th qtr strategy was not trying an unexpected onsides kick after the Indiana DB took a personal foul for drilling Gardner three yards into the endzone. (w/ 13:40 left to go.) Wile booming the ball into the endzone brings it out to the 25. A failed onsides kick would likely end up somewhere between the 35 and 40. Isn't it worth 15 yards of field position for a good chance at a turnover? (IU drove the length of the field for a TD anyway.)
I think an onside kick was a little too predictable. A squib kick forcing a return could have pinned them deep and potentially resulted in a turnover if mishandled.
A squib kick also usually burns 5-10 seconds off the clock.
I think it was the same basic game plan, but Al just mixed up his calls in the running game better. That, and the fact that we didn't turn the ball over multiple times in the first half gave him more confidence in the passing game.
The few times they were in I form they passed as much as ran. And he ran way more shot gun with read options and threw on first down way more often.
You called me delusional and then basically repeated what I said back to me.
Are you high?
You also realize that a lot of our big passing plays against Penn State came out of I-Form, right?
You said "the game plan was basically the same". Seriously?!?!?
1. Out of I form this week it was probably 50/50 run/pass. Last week it was probably 80/20.
2. Last week it was probably 80/20 runs out of iform vs shot gun/spread.
3. The % of first down passes was much higher this week.
The pass set up the run this week.
So if those 2 game plans were similar I don't know what you were smoking.
A few people kept the faith last week. Looking forward to some some apologies for the apologists
The vast majority will double down.
"It's just the offense performed much better."
The play calling, specifically on early down, was much more run-pass varied. They also varied run-pass by formation much more significantly.
different venue. Unlike last week the defense came up with a big stop.
Hey, Does Hoke's Home vs Away win/loss record have anything to do with his gameday traditions, specifically the no eating during the day one? I could see it not affecting as much in the home games because he already has a set internal schedule. But when he's away his schedule might be different.
Everyone temper your enthusiasm. Indianas defense is TERRIBLE
Until he beats a top 45 defense, no.
IGNORE ND GAME
You have rather selective memory yourself.
Notre Dame is #46.
MSU wasn't a top 45 defense last year?
your kidding dude, Mattison is the only coach I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt. Too many young players, he's doing the best he can
he's probably kidding.
Mattison's day was obviously worse than any performance Borges has had. He's still a good coach. The defense will improve.
*Indiana Secondary Appreciation
Thank god for the offense today. Glad to see the offensive talent utilized effectively.
That said, I prefer to reserve my opinion until I see the MSU game. I had my optimism crushed in the OSU game last year, after the sweet play calling against IOWA in the previous week.
On Borges I mean...
Exactly, because we all know the ultimate goal each year is to beat the shit out of Indiana's terrible defense, not win EVERY game.
Maybe Michigan got all these yards because they played a team with a defense that that little girl football player Sam Gordon could shred?
Do it again in two weeks.
On the one hand, yes Indiana defense is bad. On the other hand, we couldn't similarly shred Akron or UConn. So I'll take it.
During home games we get Al "Jekyl" Borges. On the road, we get Al "Hyde" Borges.
It's the only explanation.
It was Roy Roundtree's record. He had 246 vs Illinois in 2010.
Back to hating Dave Brandon everybody.
I never stopped.
If we can get 1/2 of the total yards and points against MSU I will build a statue to Al and burn incense in front of it three times a day.
A golden statue???
Really enough said IMO. Happy we did well, still thought we continued to manball for no yards under center too many times, but at least this time we ran more from spread. Call me one of those fans but the terrible defensive effort overshadowed the game for me, and as I was there at the stadium I kept thinking "we are in a shootout with and can't stop Indiana, at home."
To appease my frusturation with the defense, I tell myself even MSU defense allowed them 28 points (I know I know, it's rather hard to find a silver lining for the defense after what we saw today....but to maintain my sanity).
I feel like Al's playcall sheet is on house arrest. Only allowed in the booth at the Big House but cant travel with him on road games.
Nope. Today makes last week more maddening.
I wish I could say I didn't feel that way at all, but part of me does.
I'm pleased with him tonight.
If he breaks my brain again with another WTF game, my memory won't be so short.
I seriously don't get his attitude; he did a good job this week and a terrible job last one. I don't think that's praise-worthy. Plus, Indiana sucks.
now let's acknowledge 63 points and 751 yards on offense.
Um, no. He had a good game plan against the worst defense in the big ten. That doesn't excuse him for absolutely shitting the bed last week (and at least 3 other times since he's been here)
Not pleased with him yet. This was one game, and it was against arguably the worst defense int he Big Ten. Just because he did this once doesn't mean he'll repeat in two weeks against Michigan State. He was inconsistant last year, too. If Michigan has a strong showing on offense against MSU, then I'll be happier. I liked that Borges was putting Gardner in the gun on most plays, I'll give you that.
I was at the ND game...
All our opponents don't have such a crappy defense!
As long as we take care of the ball, our offense has been able to put plenty of points on the board. I think the play calling has been fine. I guess the coaches take some blame for the turnovers, but we also have a QB in his first full season as a starter, a RB coming off a gruesome injury, our #2 WR out for the season, and an incredibly young interior OL.
That was an awesome offensive display. I just wish we had one guy with breakaway speed. 751 speaks for itself though!
the offense played against one of the worst defenses in the country. The could not tackle nor scheme against Gallon. One would think they would double team him and hit on the line of scrimmage but did neither. The allowed him to run wild in the ID secondary. God help us if fans have lower their expectations to the point where we compliment an OC scoring points against a totally pathethc defense.
One thing I will say. He did throw a pass with 2:30 minutes left to move the chains. I suspect media pressure forced his hand.
Against average defense we usually look like world beaters. Against anyone decent esp on the road we go into a shell
You have to give it up to the team and Borges, bad defense or not that was impressive
No.. we don't have to give it up to Borges. They were basically playing against air, at home. Do it against MSU, and Borges will get his due.
UM seemed to have a lot more PA passing on 1st down. Stayed ahead of the chains that way. Kudos to Borges. Good chg from last week
Absolutely appreciated. Dude was great today.
Today's performance just proves how bad last week was. Get some balls on the road for gods sake.
You do realize Indiana is about the worst defense in the country? I would hope we put 60+ on them with the talent level advantage. This is no barometer of our offense. I am down right frightened of DG throwing a pass with Denard in the backfield in 2 weeks. And if you are not, keep putting loose teeth under your pillow.
Glad to see the NCAA granted him a one-game redshirt.
Still, if he's sore for Sunday, it's gonna be hard for Jacksonville to cover those 28 point spreads.
Only at MGoBlog would Borges be down voted today.
I was afraid we were becoming anti-Michigan football, but I was wrong. We're there. Move over, Shaggybevo.
Read the fucking thread. No one is saying anything negative about the job Borges did today.
He's downvoted because he's not being excused for PSU and earlier games. He's also being downvoted because it's Indiana...the worst defense in the league.
And is HE even being downvoted? Or is the question that we need to show appreciation for him being downvoted? That's at least why I hit that little red triangle. I disagree that there should be an appreciation thread for today. If his offense is this effective for the rest of the season, then me along with many others will be appreciative.
Indiana's defense is the worst in the B1G. Are they the worst defense Michigan has ever faced, though? Because we scored 63 and had the most yards we've ever accumulated in one game.
"Are they the worst defense Michigan has ever faced, though? "
Adjusted for pace - probably not.
Not adjusted for pace? They must be real close.
Very happy with the offensive performance and play calling overall. However, we will definitely learn a lot more against MSU as this was an absolutely atrocious IU defense
Granted, you can rightly say that it was Indiana's defense and attach some qualifier when it comes to competency as a result, but we did manage 9.04 yards per snap on average. That does have to account for something, I would think. The game plan directly attacked Indiana's problems with both the run and the pass and it did win us the game.
There are definite Indiana caveats but remember a lot of people thought this would be a shoot out except our offense wouldn't hold up our end of the bargain. They did just that against an admittedly terrible D. Two weeks from now is the test. Play a similar game plan to PSU and we probably lose. Do something similar today and I think we'll be able to score. It is a rivalry game and I garuntee everybody on our team wants to beat MSU. I am expecting a great game in two weeks. Enjoy the bye before the stretch run. We control our own destiny for the moment.
We're celebrating a performance against IU? I thought this was Michigan, fergodsakes.
Right, because that was the IU of today. Great point.
No, were celebrating the best offensive output any Michigan fans have ever seen.
They had to put up video game numbers, and they did. You can't argue with that.
not yet, want to see this against a defense with a pulse first, then and only then will I be willng to jump on said bandwagon.
Yeah. I'd personally like to see him hang a million points on somebody like, say, Notre Dame. Oh wait.
Borges isn't as bad as he looked against PSU, and not as good as he looked against ND or Indiana. Not as bad as he looked against Iowa 2011 or OSU 2012, and not as good as Nebraska 2011 or OSU 2011. He's a mix of all of those.
So the conclusion is that he underperforms on road games? Makes me scratch my head why he can't make those sweet play-calling on the road. I guess that'll be the next big step for this coaching staff to make.
I will give him props for today. He put his offense in the position to win all day. Big momentum change after that turnover on the opening drive of the half. That ignited IU. Our defense had done ok up till then, but after that they were woefully beat up by IU till the interception at the end.
But, Borges let his guys loose to keep pace and they really hit the accelerator. No matter what we think of IUs defense, our O line gave DG protection all day. They can build off this.
Borges and his play calling blew a game for us. We could still be undefeated.
Call it what you want, but it's true.
Going H.A.M. on the worst defense in the B1G doesn't change a thing. Do half of this vs. MSU and I'd be more impressed. WAY more impressed.
The only thing Borges should get credit for is finally learning that his best change is from the spread.
You seriously must not know much about football. Yes, the defense blew a opportunity to win the game, but if you actually think the defense was responsible for that loss you're a moron
So, not yet. However, I do appreciate the diversity of his play calling. Very nice Big Al.
If he calls a game like this in November, then sign me up for the appreciation thread.
At the very least, he's making adjustments, which is awesome.
was incredibly frustrating, the game comes down to execution of the play-calls. And there were different guys in today on the Oline plus a full game from Lewan. And Gardner was outstanding, even if he did try to make something out of impossible situations, which is not Al's fault.
Critics can't have it both ways. You can acknowledge the competition and say yeah,MSU scored 42 points on these guys, but this was a record-setting performance for this school with some great history. And pretending we should barely acknowledge it because it was against Indiana is the ultimate in arrogant contentiousness.
Although I do think this game only further proves his strategy against PSU was horrible, as he was willing to run more from Shotgun than under center in this game to great success, I also think that people seem to forget how fickle offense can be. Even Baylor had a bad offensive output last week. Not to mention the fact that Al Borges' predecessor, whose offense many here have put on a marble pedestal, led us to offensive efforts that put up 17, 7 and 14 against MSU, OSU and Miss St respectively in his final year. The fact is that offense is far more fickle than is defense. That doesn't absolve Borges of blame for many of his play-calling blunders, but this is why I prefer having a defensive minded coach. This is also why the defense's performance is what I am focused on, as the defensive talent level (greatly attributable to youth) was simply not there today.
Appreciation? Nah. For a guy that makes that much and thinks he's an offensive genius, finally making the adjustments 4 weeks later than when us armchair quarterbacks on here were calling for them, doesn't earn him a pass from me. That and the fact that its Indiana, and you should go into the game basically assuming to gain at least 500 yards against them.
Took offense to Borges, Gallon and Michigan. GOOD LORD! 37-0 at halftime and they're complianing that they "started slow."
There were a ton of posters claiming after PSU that we would lose to IU. Then we beat IU, primarily due to a great offensive performance, and all they can say is that they're not willing to appreciate what Al did today because it was IU. Doesn't the win mean that Al already exceeded your expectations? Give credit where it's due. He called a great game today, and the players executed it. Yes, Indiana is terrible at defense, but how many other teams have hung 63 on them (or 750 yards)?
Some people live to be miserable.
An "Everyone who said we'd lose to Indiana Stand Up and be a Man" thread, but it'd probably be a short one for the latter part of the title, not the former. One cat even said we'd never lead vs. Indiana.
I said we'd lose - I was wrong. And as i stated earlier I think Borges called a terrific game.
Now-please do it again....on the road....against MSU.
As being probably the only guy to give any credit after being on his case, so I'm not surprised you'd be the only one to stand up and admit the prediction.
By passing on 1st down. That was the difference . IU not much worse than Akron or Uconn... This game plan was just superior bc we set out to score from the get go. Lots more 1st down passing. Gave Gardner easy completions. Basically what the blog has called for all year.
lol last week you guys were crucifying the man and now people are blowing him... have to love fans
He called a terrible game last week. This week his game plan (and execution) won the game. As another poster said this is a performance to build on and for that I'm appreciative. If he reverts to power in one of our bigger games of the year it will undo all of this. They have a bye week to get better and maybe get the biggest win in the Hoke Era to date. I'm pulling for them as is I'm sure most of the board.
blah blah blah blah
sorry I am going to trust the man that is made a six figure salary to coach offense at the University of Michigan over random emotional rantings of message board posters.
The average mgoposter has a football IQ of -123
Yet the average mgoposter does not have an MGoPoints number in the negative nine-figures, either.
I am sorry I am passionate about my political beliefs.
I didn't know mgopoints has any intrinsic value.
Every since the moderation melted down, the average IQ on this board has dropped about 20 pointes per week. This board is about equal to mlive now.
Then why are you still here?
cause I have nothing better to do with my life
why are you still replying to me?
"I am going to trust the man that is made a six figure salary to coach offense at the University of Michigan "
So you trusted Mike DeBord?
You trusted GERG?
more than you yahoos
So who thought ten years or so ago that there would be people in the future using Indiana football as a measuring stick for Michigan?
Borges set up a gameplan to score lots of points against Indiana. Let's not rejoice here.
Better than setting that game plan up and you know, not doing it or meeting any expectations at all
My point is, IT WAS FREAKING INDIANA!
As a rule, I always rejoice after Michigan wins.
hear so much moaning when the O put up 60+, broke records, and even Fitz put up numbers. Most of you are so fire Borges crazy that you can't see Gmatt's D gave up 47 points and over 500 yds of O.
Bend don't brake. Inside and in front right?
For the most part they were breaking not bending tonight.
Am I happy? No. But it's what IU is designed to do. Northwestern is the only offense that will come close to duplicating what we saw today.
NU game. The caveat is if Borges is agressive and DG takes care of the rock, we're a good offense.
Well it would be nice to see him keep this against MSU. My biggest is fear is that Al doesn't open up the playbook against MSU when this is the only chance Michigan has to win. But yes I was happy with the game he called today.
Our gameplan against MSU the last two years was a lot like this. Borges called for a lot of downfield throws to loosen up the MSU defense. The problem was that we just didn't pass that accurately.
Yes MSU will be stout up the middle and physical with the WRs. You have to take plenty of deep shots over the top with them.
My biggest fear is that he actually does open the playbook, but shitty protection from the line, and execution errors result in plays getting blown up or turnovers which in turn could make a sound strategy like that look like absolute shit. But even then, it is still on Al to adapt too, and he has shown that he can be stubborn.
I think Drew Sharp created a bunch of fake accounts on here and is trolling, never seen so many haters after a win!
It was simply a case of an extremely talented offense against a really bad defense. Why does it take going up against a defense we don't really need to worry about after a loss for Borges to come up with a game plan that makes at least some sense? There's no way I can not be happy about our production tonight, but I'm not retracting my negative opinion of Borges. It shouldn't have taken this long to get the offense going and who knows how quickly our offense will revert back to ineffective predictability.
It's ridiculous to downvote a thread praising our offensive coordinator after our O set a school record for yardage and scored 63 points. The internet seems to make people do dumb things.
Al Borges did a great job today as he has a number of games while at Michigan.
The thing that is frustrating about him is not that he is unable to call a good game, but that he consciously chooses not to.
This is where my frustration lies with him. It's not that he cannot call good games; There have been some games where I think to myself "I really like this guy," but then games like PSU happen. It's a lot like a having a student that you know is gifted and has shown flashes of brillianace, but they grossly underperform for some reason.
Not impressed at all. Only 751 yards and 63 points against a crappy D. Should have been at least 800 yards and 70 points. Fire Borges; it's obvious he sucks.
IU's defense is GOD AWFUL. Not that ours is much better, but man that's one of the worst defenses I've ever seen.
I'm not going to say he didn't do a pretty good job, because he did, but not like you're going to be able to tell against a team like IU. At least there weren't many under center runs (and when they were called, they didn't work...shocker).
The next game we play is the most important game we've played in five years. Take it for what it is and for what it's worth. We have to win that game.
Not even close. 2011 Ohio was infinitely more important. Actually, every Ohio game is more important. Michigan measures itself against Ohio, not MSU.
MSU is a really, really important game, but the last game of the season is always more important.
I just mean this team is in our division for one more year and I'd really like to get to that title game once before the set up changes. I know that the team down south trumps Lansing. But this game is huge for us for so many reasons.
I agree. If Michigan can't win this game Hoke may never be able to get a big road win.
Salvatore makes a good point about the 2011 game. But this is a major game coming up to be sure.
The only possible complaint is 'why didn't you do it sooner?'
Now fire Mattison! /s
We'll see in November and in a road game.
hysteria hands down.
pretty sure kyle bosch burned his redshirt. Did he enroll early?
You can draw no conclusions from today on either side. It was Indiana.
Sparty put up big numbers on them. Nuff said.
whoop the holy shit out of MSU and then, and only then, will i start to reconsider my position.
IU is freaking terrible on defense.
can barely catch a break while the defense gives up 90 and nobody has a problem with that.
The defense was responsible for some of that production. They caused a fumble and returned for a touchdown. Still larger point stands.
Not to mention Al's offense caused so many turnovers which led to points for the opposition that it forced us to keep on trying to score until the very end of both games, one of which included 4 extra periods.
It's never that the defense is getting off the field quickly enough or getting the ball back so they can have more opportunities to score. Or gets the stop that allows the offense to pull away or close it out.
It works both ways on a team.
What planet are you on?
I waited and saw how well Borges had Bellomy prepared for the second half of Nebraska.
I waited and saw how much better the offense got with Gardner at QB and not as a receiver when Al thought we needed him far more at receiver.
I waited and saw the second half of Ohio where the universe put the blame not on the players, but on Al's play calls.
I waited and saw how he got his tight ends prepared to block this year.
I waited and saw how he got his offensive line ready to block this year.
I waited to see how he'd groom Gardner into an efficient QB that didn't turn the ball over.
I waited to see him develop an RB heavy ground game as Hoke wants.
I waited and saw his offense struggle vs mighty Akron and UCONN.
I waited to see Al's stellar play calls vs a half scholarship PSU team getting 27 yards on 27 RB carries.
Can't wait to see all the greatness Al has in store at MSU and vs Ohio this year, and can't wait even more until next year when we lose Lewan and Schofield.
Simply put, one impressive outting vs the worst defense in the Big Ten doesn't negate the fact that Al is about 12+ more on the failure's side of the ledger vs successes.
We're all waiting and seeing, but foregive us for actually forming an opinion about him for the timebeing based upon the above.
Good, right. Obviously, you've identified all of his successes (one, by your count... today) and failures, making this a really good, well reasoned, balanced look at his performance. My apologies for using aggregate statistics and, you know, sanity.
Credit or UTL one and two, won with lots of points.
Scoring 42 and 38 to beat Northwestern.
Drooping 45 on the first conference meeting with Nebraska.
Beating Ohio State for te only time in ages when the defense didn't show up.
Playing well enough to win against an excellent South Carolina defense and missing out on te upset when the D let's them down.
Taking Gardner from a guy who made bloggers horrified every Spring Game into a dangerous talent.
Seeing Fitz develop into a good running back.
Having a sophomore TE/WR be a big weapon.
Turning Gallon from a journeyman to the leading game receiver in Big Ten history.
You see what you want to see.
"You see what you want to see."
It appears you both do.
He focuses on the huge mass of negatives, and you focus on the huge mass of positives - and both seem to want to ignore the obvious on the other side.
Al Borges can call a good game. Al Borges can call a bad game. Problem is - his game calls seem to follow a bimodal distribution instead of a normal one, and have HUGE standard deviation.
I'd prefer not to be heading into a game wondering which Borges will rear it's face.
He's just picking out random dats and acting like it's the preponderance of the evidence rather than examples that are equally offset. And all the games that are in-between are the ones that are just "fine." So the majority are satisfactory. So it's silly to deal in absolutes at this point.
Yet none of the items listed above evidences Al successfully implementing a single facet of his pro-style attack. Of course you can point to some positives man, but that's like saying someone who gets a D+ in a class did well because they got 68%, so let's focus on that 68. This is Michigan, where a D+ doesn't cut it. The development of 2 or 3 players like Funchess and FItz while the rest of players you're in charge of developing flounder, like the line and the QB, doesn't get you a pass under the "you see what you want to see" card.
WIth Michigan's laughable schedule these first 7 games, AL's offense has the most turn overs in D1, an abysmal O line, and set an all time low in rush average vs a half scholarship team last week. Yet people are giving him a pass for putting up big numbers against the tirefire that is Indiana's defense, which also gave up 40+ to woeful Sparty attack.
Not to mention one can crater many of your items above. UTL 1? Really? AL's offense was shut down for 3 quarters and going into the fourth it took miracles, mostly thanks to Reese's goalline fumble derp and Denard's escapability to win that game. Watch that game again and tell me AL called a great game...
Having three or four well called games out of 35 games doesn't put AL on the plus side of the ledger with so many blemishes on the other side.
but whos to say there won't be another brain-shit later this year?
I want him fired less after this game, but lets see what happens when we go through the meat of our schedule.
I think his track record thus far justifies a change, but the season isn't over yet... roll the dice
think of anything to complain about from a play calling standpoint tonight. Obviously some exuction and turnover stuff needs to improve before we get into November, but Borges called a very good game tonight. Great way to respond after that whole thing last week.
I give Al all the credit in the world against this horrendous defense this game. It's also a huge positive that we pretty much abandoned what didn't work against PSU (tackle over, I form runs). We still ran stretch without much success but hey, 63 points and 700+ yards of offense. Frustrations still linger because as a highly touted offensive coordinator, these adjustments should have been applied to his play calling real-time against PSU instead of lighting the first downs we had on fire with the little success we had. So props to Al for this gameplan, just wish it was sooner to keep us undefeated.
I think the key disclaimer is that we of course should not be expecting this level of success in our next game against MSU, but this game showed what will give us the best chance of success and keep the excellent MSU defense on their heels: allowing the pass to open up the run and having a good balance to keep Narduzzi and co. honest. Protect Gardner, build his confidence on the road slowly and prevent horrendous mistakes against a good secondary.
All Al has proven is his offense can work against the worst defense in the BIG. If we can put up over 30 vs MSU then an Al Appreciation thread might be merited, not vs freaking Indiana's lowly D.
If anything, the offensive performance today makes me MORE pissed about having to endure that chickenshit, bash-head-into-wall playcalling last week. Hoke and Borges (and, yeah, it's both of them) decide to play timid, conservative football on the road, time and time again. Pass to set up the run at home, success. Run into walls of defenders on the road, failure. Who'd have thought that would happen?
Not to mention, Borges is still trotting out the stupid tackle-over formation that doesn't work, and he's still running the zone stretch play that Michigan's OL can't block for. Pass to set up the run, and run from the shotgun/pistol and Michigan sets records.
Yes, yes, I know Indiana has a horrible defense. But Penn State's wasn't all-world; this gameplan may well have led to a comfortable win. But hey, why should Borges try? On the road, it might lead to turnovers, and we may lose.....wait....crap, well, then that's definitely on execution.
Bullshit. When you allow players to do things they have a prayer of doing, results are generally better.
Borges appreciation? When he comes out with a gameplan like this on the road, consistently, I'll appreciate him. When he stops being bi-polar depending on the location of the game, I'll appreciate him. Hell, dump the stretch play, it'll be a start....
as evidenced by hitting Funchess for the clinching first down instead of trying to run Fitz into the tacklers that would have been assembled to stop him. But the mere mention of Debord's plan vs. Fl makes me question everything about that season. Yes, we were humiliated at home twice before the conference slate ever began and then, after our annual loss to OSU he opens up a can of "whupp ass" that ORE and Appy diagrammed for us in our occ and saves it for his last game? WTF? Why did we not see that against OSU and the other teams on our schedule that year? Yes, FL came off a natty, but damn they had sent so many people to the pros, they were as young as we are now. I totally agree with you in the respect it was his best game plan. But the thing that really pisses me off is we could have done it all year and no one could have stopped us. It was not surprising that we won when we fully utilized all our weapons. I just can't help wondering how the season might have been had we done so the entire year. I guess there might be some redemption for LC and MD to saving their best for last, but watching us tear apart that FL defense just made me wonder, and I bet you did too.
We had what could accurately be called an "injury-riddled" season in 2007.
Mike Hart was out quite a bit and poor Chad Henne had his shoulder attached with a piece of gristle!
I hated DeBored with fire of a thousand suns, he never had much of a chance to utilize his offensive weapons during the season, and probably wouldn't have anyway. But one everyone got healthy & Carr was half out the door . . .
it took more than one game to get Borges into the mess he is in, it will take more than one to get him out of it. That being said the O line played a lot better today..... Like i told my friend yea it was against Indiana but did you see how they played vs. Akron and uconn. The offense needed today in a big way so i'm happy for them and hope they build off this for November 2nd
and skip this manball meme, keep the spread and score lots of points! If Al has changed, I think we can win half our next 6 games and have a decent season at 9-3. Face it there is no great team in the B1G. Michigan can beat any team or lose to just about any team.
Now, I'm worried about our defense!
Indiana's defense is awful. AWFUL. They have a decent offense. We litterally had to break records to win this game. It's a good thing we got those picks late---especially the first one when Indiana had a chance to take the lead, which probably would've happened the way this game went.
Not sure what to take from this game:
I guess the gameplan worked---offensively. Do you even need a gameplan to score on IU?? I have no idea what to expect out of this team, as they surprise me every week... good and bad. There's a lot of "ifs" out there and that's more concerning to me than what I'd like it to be.
I can't wait to see what happens next game. It'll be VERY interesting.
I'm not going to respond to any one comment because I'm pretty sick of all the fighting that went on last week and we just won, so let's enjoy this.
What I will say for my part is that this game didn't do much Al Borges in my eyes and I'll briefly explain why. I never said (and I don't believe many others did either) that Al Borges didn't know how to call plays, the anger was from the plays he did call during the game and an unwillingness to adapt to what was gong on in front of him.
This game actually bothers me even more because it shows that Al obviously has the potential to call great games, but for some reason he only puts all together once or twice a year.
Again, I'm pretty happy with what went on offensively last night but all I keep hearing in the back of my head is "remember, this was Indiana". What will go much further toward me being happy with AB as the long-term solution for this offense is if he can keep this up down the stretch against better defenses or if he reverts (as he has in the past after calling good games) to what we all know doesn't work.
Would this team be without 10 turnovers against Akron, UCONN and PSU? Top 10? Top 5? Cut out turnovers and we are all having a different discussion??
It's Indiana, fergodsakes. Last in Big Ten defense. Show up in two weeks against State and then we'll have this discussion.
When the offense executes the Borges critics say awe shucks lets save the praise till he beats MSU. When the offense seems incapable of executing the very same plays it's fire Borges. The funniest thing about the awe shucks mentality is that if that offense had executed this week like it had last week that would have been the final straw for Al I am sure. The awe shucks people would have been acting like he sang a Josh Groben song. Now before anyone says yeah but the Indiana defense sucks well they didn't suck against PSU. Indiana spanked Penn State good and proper.
I don't think that's quite right. The "aw shucks" crowd (which I would be in BTW) are extremely pleased with the game he called yesterday and if you read the comments, virtually everyone says basically props to Al for the game. I don't see anyone, in this thread or any other posted yesterday after the game, that doesnt give Al credit for an increadible performance.
The difference IMO between the Pro-Al crowd (formally known as the "Apologists" and the Anti-Al crowd (now known as the "Aw Shucks") is that we arent willing to forgive and forget the past gameplan clunkers just quite yet. We still remember vididly 27 carries for 27 yards a week ago and the other well documented offensive gameplan failures over the past few years. ESPECIALLY against good defenses and ESPECIALLY on the road.
Now - Al has a bye week coming up and the chance to radically change at least one poster's opinion of him (me) coming up. We're playing a huge game....on the road...against the B1G best defense. I'm not looking for a performance like yesterday's (although that would be nice) but if we can put up over 350 yards of offense and score in the mid 20's I think we win.
And that would do a lot more to impress the "Aw Shucks" than all the record-setting performances against Indiana ever will.
The offense played well and they play calling was good against Indiana. I am still upset about the Penn State game. The PSU corners played 10 yards off our receivers and stacked the box. We ran at them repeatedly for no gain. Against Indiana, Al had Devin get the ball out to the receivers in space. This resulted in a pretty good day for our QB and for Gallon. My biggest beef with Al is that he does and exceeding poor job of making in game adjustments. He he called some quick throws to Gallon against PSU, we would be sitting at 7-0.
What's the deal with calling the "fire screen" to the WR against IU and not PSU? Decisions like that are what prompts an "aw shucks" mentality, from me anyway.
Borges was able to "take what the defense was giving" against IU largely due to the fact that the IU defense was giving everything away. Against PSU, he showed zero ability to do so.
out of a different formation. It went for like 12 yards
Too bad he didn't continue that. UM would still be undefeated.
You don't get it..... or perhaps you are quite all right flipping the "which Al Borges is going to show up?" coin prior to every kick off.
will come when he stops putting Gardner under center.
Every coach has a bad game here or there. So did Rich Rod--the person some people seem to be pining away for. Does no one remember being down 28-7 against Iowa in 2010? That would be the offense that failed to score a second time until the 4th quarter. Or how about only scoring 14 in the Gator Bowl--against a not exactly great MIssissippi State team?
I'm not knocking Rich Rod's ability to the offense by saying that--all offensive teams over the past decade have had some crappy games here and there--including some with, say, really good and experienced OLs (i.e. the key ingredient to offensive succes, which we lack). And all teams, at some point, lose games they should win. I mean--Pitt beating WVU in 2007 anyone??
Sure Borges' playcalling was frustrating against PSU. But it was brilliant against IU and now we're 6-1. What matters from this point is whether and to what degree we can build off of this offensive performance.
I kept reminding myself how bad that IU defense was. Borges does not get a pass from me for creating a track meet at home against easily the worst D in the B1G. Receivers were so ridiculously wide open it would have been a travesty if we didn't score at least 40 points. And there were many times where Fitz strolled untouched into the second level. Let's see next week.
To the people lamenting Indianas poor defense
-Our offense couldn't perform against similarly terrible defenses (UConn, Akron)
-Lots of people play lots of games against bad defenses, but they don't usually break records for offense (school and conference) in doing it.
-IIRC, way better play calling... Passing on first downs much more often, passing more out of different formations which were previously de facto running only plays, etc.
Speaketh the truth.
Show me in East Landfill.
I wish we knew how much of this was on Al. This season Hoke appears to be setting an offensive gameplan or an overall aggressiveness based on opponent and our defense's ability to stop said opponent.
For teams with meh offenses (Uconn, Akron and PSU), Hoke selects a less aggressive, less risky and lower deviation offensive gameplan. For teams with more dynamic offenses(ND with Rees or IU), Hoke is willing to open up the playbook and take more risks. I'm sure the decision isn't specific, i.e. for PSU we will use level X. However, Hoke seems to guess at the flow of a game beforehand and base his gameplan on this. I imagine many or all coaches use this philosophy, but Hoke seems to overdo it, particularly this season. It reminds me of the latter years of the Carr era, 2006 OSU and 2008 Capital One bowl come to mind.
Hoke seems to be more willing to risk underestimating an opponent or overestimating our defense than taking additional risks with the offense and gameplan.
I prefer he would keep the aggressiveness regardless of opponent, or at least be more willing to alter the aggressiveness or gameplan in instances where he has predicted the wrong flow. However, he seems to predict a flow for the game prior to the game and stick with it regardless.
Well said, Moxiechicago. I was thinking something similar and then read your post. I think it could be said that this goes to identity, somewhat. With Harbaugh, for instance, you know exactly the identity of his teams. They will be tough. They will be agressive. They will make generally quick and decisive adjustments. Or take Urban Meyer. You know that he is a master of analysis and on the fly adjustment. He can analyze what is happening real time and adjust better than the majority of coaches at this level.
Which leads to my second point. I think the whole polar opposite argument is short-sighted. The guys who are getting uptight as if it is wrong to criticize Borges and then turn around and give him credit. It's as if they think you have to adhere to one end of the hate Borges or love Borges spectrum. My reality is that you have to have a point of reference for your expectations. That point of reference for me is the Ohio State Buckeyes. They have a coach that is very astute and who will kick your ass if you come into the game hell bent on your drawing board strategy and cannot adjust on the fly.
I suspect that a week of viewing film of Indiana got our identity challenged staff thinking offensively. Which pours directly into the 'plays to the level of competition' argument. I agree with previous posters that would like to see the aggressive approach full time. For me, the style of play displayed by the 1997 squad is the template. That defense came to hurt you.
All three years there's a lose because Al Borges is too damn stubborn. Need we forget the Iowa game the first year. Look at his unwillingness to use the bubble screen, even with it clearly wide open during the Penn State game in overtime he still refuses to use it. The closest we will ever get to see it used will be the bubble fake, which will only work for so long. He refuses to adapt to the players that he has and he will be a continuous cancer on the program. He is even too damn stubborn to get a quarterback coach. Think about this, how many quick slants have we even ran this year?