thats alot of words.
AJ Barker quits Minnesota FB & obliterates Kill on way out
It's a technique used quite well by the Amish.
Kinda like their own poor man's offensive version of Jordan Kovacs. Featured on BTN the Journey this year:
This week on the Journey: My coach is a gopher and I would like some cheese with my wine.
Minnesota football has not been on my radar since Rickie Foggie left.
The sad thing is that he would have gotten a lot of attention from big schools if he didn't post this rant and just quit the team. Now there are going to be questions about his intangibles.
I thought it was also a bit weird how he focused on how he felt he was being manipulated and included testimonial from his mom's friend. The fact that staff ridiculed his religious beliefs, made homophobic remarks towards him, and interfered with his medical treatment is damning enough. Finally, what is a "tyraid" and does it involve beanie babies?
other than what AJ told him?
know they probably have 5 players better than him so no use in recruiting him.
Moral of the story: Jerry Kill is not a good football coach.
Um, a lengthy career says otherwise. 127-73 at 4 stops before Minnesota. Jackass he might be, good football coach he definitely is.
There are two sides to every story. The thing is that we will probably never get the other side of this one.
Which is strange, because usually the only side of the story we get is the coach announcing that the player has left the team for one reason or another. The coach doesn't usually say too much, but rumors and such leak out, and the player never really has a chance to tell their story.
He wrote all of that without including a joke about Kill's mustache or gopher like appearance or creepiness in the B1G coaches video? And he decided to break his serious rant on tumblr?
You can say that again.
He wrote all of that without including a joke about Kill's mustache or gopher like appearance or creepiness in the B1G coaches video? And he decided to break his serious rant on tumblr?
double post- But any way best of luck to Barker and I hope he has a successful career at another school. Funny how not getting a scholarship was a blessing in disguise.
golden opportunity lost...a double post that was actually worthy of being a double, since the original reply was "you can say that again"
forget the wisdom of the old cliche..."brevity is the soul of wit."
Count me in the tl;dr camp.
I gotta say, with the language that young man used, fuck Jerry Kill. I know it's just one side of the story. But it's hard to believe that kid (after reading what he had to say) is some meathead who has a problem with "the state of things" in the Minnesota program.
I will probably always have the default setting of siding with the player in situations like this. I mean, on one hand, who cares? Right? It's just football. But on the other hand, it's everything 18-21 year olds absolutely cherish when they are capable of playing for a D1 program.
To be fair, fuck anyone who takes that away from a kid. And yes, to me, 18-21 year olds are respectfully "kids."
"I know it's just one side of the story." You should have stopped there.
Barker's is a pretty convincing side, though.
Even if you grant that there are two sides, that means that there is some legitimacy to what Barker's saying. And if even some of what he's saying is true, there is no way I'd ever let my son play for Coach Kill.
Why does granting that there are two sides mean that Barker's side has some legitimacy?
Wow. Now maybe I can understand why Sparty is favored over them by so much. Their locker room is going to be a mess this week. This is going to be tough week to manage for the Minnesota coaching staff.
1. College coaches yell and push kids to play with pain, even at lowly Minnesota.
2. Players should exit with class b/c the Internet never forgets (future employers, etc).
Back to our regularly scheduled program ...
with pain is much different than playing with an injury.
Any chance this kid is a psych major? He could turn this in as a class assignment as long as there is a 5000 word requirement.
This was uncomfortable to read, because it's a reminder that some part of what goes on in college football coaching and training is like sausage-making: if you could actually see the process you would be less happy with the product. I don't know how many coaches belittle their players, mess with their heads, and downplay injuries, but I'm sure it's not just Jerry Kill.
Anyway, IMO Barker should not have published it. I suspect the negative fallout it will generate will not be worth the catharsis he felt when he posted it.
Those in football like to see themselves as a civilian version of the military. We all know that is preposterous, but still they believe it. The old tear-you-down-build-you-up approach is something a lot of coaches still use. Unfortunately for these coaches kids today won't tolerate such treatment.
It's dying, though. Professional athletes won't put up with it (see Carlesimo, P.J.). The parents of high school athletes are a threat to it if it goes too far. It's in college that it seems to be making its last stand--the players are finally away from home and they aren't yet making more money than their coaches.
Motivation doesn't have to involve humiliation. Even tearing down to build up doesn't have to involve humiliation. There are coaches that understand that; the future is theirs.
The military comparisons used in football always make me cringe. I believe it was the former Buffalo Bills coach, Marv Levy, who said something like " I don't think the troops yelled Touchdown! when they stormed the beaches at Normandy."
The drill instructors are not as harsh as they used to be. No more Gunnery Sargeant Hartmann's in todays Armed Forces.
I pretty much saw the last of that style when I went in the Marines. Even then though, the Drill Instructors really were good motivators. I never felt torn down too much. It is a fine line, I think Kill perhaps went too far.
I dunno man... I don't see Hoke & Co. being accused of this...
I read most of his tirade, and just couldn't help thinking it reflected more on Barker than on Kill. He just came across sounding like a whiner who has convinced himself (with the help of his mother and father) that he's an indispensable star on the team (or as one of the readers of the article posted, he's "a special snowflake").
I thought he had some concrete examples of things done wrong by the Kill staff but his novella was a bit dramatic and overboard.
And thought the same thing. He really came off as a pre-Madonna to me.
How does this differ from a post-Madonna? Would Deborah Harry be considered as the "pre-Madonna?"
Lady Gaga would be a post-Madonna
It's an old MGo joke...
I hate it when I'm not in on the inside jokes!
*shakes fist because he's a relative newcomer to the MGoCommunity and is too old to understand all of the MGoLingo and MGoJokes*
Wow. I thought that program was heading upwards. I guess not.
From what I've heard about Kill, I'm not surprised by the motivational tactics he seems to use. But, to be honest, the way this kid presented such a long winded rant that is purposefully made public, makes me have a lot of doubt about the legitamicy of his complaints. And it kind of makes me lose a lot of repect for him.
on Team 134 right now. What character it takes to write that.
Not sure if you're being serious,
Character is Odoms raising money for his community and Omameh doing an all-around amount of good works. Character is Gardner willing to ride the bench, switch to WR, and then switch back to QB in a week when the team needs him and Denard willing to take a reduced role during his senior season because of an injury and DG stealing some of the spotlight. Character is Denard supporting other Michigan sports teams when I'm sure he is as busy as anyone, always giving credit to his teammates, and always smiling and showing graciousness to fans.
Writing a long and incoherent rant on tumblr about how you are the best player on the team(even your mom's friend says so) and how the head coach is a nefarious manipulator because the staff made some offensive and unacceptable remarks doesn't show that much character in my eyes.
This tirade isn't classy...I wouldn't want him on a Michigan team.
You just won the internet.
I guess Kill forgot to tell this kid that football is more important than going to class.
Usually, I take stuff like this with an entire shaker of salt, but Barker's piece is fairly persuasive. It actually looks like more than a disgruntled kid bitching about a coach. If Kill actually was bitching to a walk-on for not being able to play soon enough and wanting the right to make his own medical decisions, it doesn't look very good for him.
At first glance it sounds bad, but isn't Barker suggesting that he himself didn't follow the medical staffs advice about icing(because he thought it made his ankle too stiff) and was seeking outside accupuncture treatments? It sounds exactly like a disgruntled kid bitching in that he had a lot of conjecture and fluff surrounded by only by a very short amount of evidence.
And the fact that his "faith" seems to figure so prominently in his description of events leads me to believe that he made an issue out of it somehow.
Should have left the P.S. out, though. I think he said everything he needed to before that point.
yeah... i made it until he started pasting wikipedia definitions of psychological behaviours like some butthurt messageboard douche.
Wow, that was a lot to read. I made it thru almost all of it, and its hard to get a feel for what to think. Couple of thoughts
1. Asshole coaches are straight up no fun. There's a difference between being tough and challenging, and being a dick. Sounds like kill could be the latter?
2. To the coaches perspective, I have seen coaches push athletes to get back quicker, especially if they think its a mental thing (which ankle/lower body injuries can be... Confidence). Players can receive and interpret that differently, who knows with this dudeman.
3. I don't necessarily like that he posted this rant, mostly because it reads like a spur of the moment rant (and trust me, I know a thing or two about those... Eh hem...). Referencing your moms girlfriend does not seem like a very strong argument, no sexism implied or intended. This reminds me a little of the Boren exit.
4. This is not a Michigan player leaving and bashing his former coach, so actually I like this rant because SCANDALOUS!!!
either way, tough way to go. I might have to follow this to see if there's any response or fallout.
This going to be a major problem for Minnesota in recruiting as long as Kill is there.
I don't think so. This is more likely to negatively affect the kid than it will Kill or Minnesota. As someone else posted earlier, right or wrong, I suspect most coaches will presume he has an attitude problem and think twice about having him on their team.
Parents will read this too
and steer their son's away from a coach
Like that. He's not someone I'd want my son spending any time playing for
Actually read the entire thing....
Hate thinking badly about Jerry Kill, especially with his health issues and stuff, but damn....
Health issues one may have should have no bearing on the judgement of one's character. Kill sounds like a prick if half of what is claimed by AJ is true and the fact that he has health issues doesn't change that fact.
I totally agree. I always had a soft spot in my heart for Kill because of all the seizures and stuff,, and his team seemed to rally around him. But after hearing about all this, especially the gay and religious slurs used, I think I'm going to put a check mark in the 'Asshole' column next to Jerry Kill's name.
Assholes get sick too.
Kill does look like a bit of an asshole when arguing with the refs. There were several calls during the Michigan game when he was out on the field jawing at the refs and carrying it much longer and with far more emotion than is usual for all but the most hot headed coaches.
but this is another piece of news that is bad for the conference: http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/8649670/maryland-terrapins-...
Wait a second......he can transfer and play anywhere the following year without sitting out? Hmmm.....perhaps....we shall poach?
Damn. I'm gonna have to agree with AJ Barker here... best player but no scholarship? srsly.
Yeah. The fact that he still didn't have a scholarship says a lot about Kill. So many Dbag coaches out there. Thank god we have Hoke.
Frankly I'm really surprised how many people in this thread are just blindly buying everything Barker has to say. Did it occur to any of you that maybe this kid might be massively overreacting and not giving the whole story? I guess not.
Of course...downvoted. This blog really blows a good part of the time.
Anyone who complains about points/negs is just asking for it.
Fair enough. Second post was stupid.
That's exactly how I feel while reading this. How do we know that this kid isn't someone that had grown up being told he was God's gift to earth and this is how he reacts when things don't completely go his way. I'm not saying this is what's happening but I'm not going to just bilndly believe this either.
of the thing. Certainly casts doubt on Kill and his methods. If things are truly ugly inside the program and it influences a few more kids to move on/speak out, that might be healthy. Otherwise, it's hard to see how it wouldn't have been better to sit on this one for a few days, edit a little, etc. Open letters have their place, though. When it's a highly respected player, that carries weight, too.
Hoke has said that he has the highest respect for Jerry Kill ... so I don't know what to make of this. To me, both Jerry Kill and AJ Barker have faults in this situation.
Coachspeek could just be Coachspeek. Does Hoke even know Kill on a personal level?
I imagine they crossed paths at some point in the MAC. Yes, it is coachspeak but he could have just as easily said nothing or given a more generic comment like "he's a good/knowledgable football coach."
Reads like a whiny high schooler.
That's pretty deep and specific.
Tough to think about Kill like that but behind closed doors, people can be totally different.
I like to reserve judgement on people until you have sufficient evidence supporting one side...so I'll wait this one out and store this info in the memory bank before judging.
I don't know. It's never a good idea to hear one side of an argument, especially when someone has taken the time and effort to prepare and present their case publically. A lot of the incidents in this could have gone very differently than this player remembers them, especially when you're dealing with kids and the people with authority over them.
I don't have the slightest idea whether any of this is true, I'm not trying to defend Kill per se. BUT- even if I knew a college student who told me something like this, I'm sure I would be supportive, but I also know the story might sound entirely different if I heard the other side.
of it. Since Barker is a economics I have to assume that one of his parents(or both) are psychologists.
Or he took PSYCH 101 and showed up for a few lectures or knows how to use wikipedia.
Wow, when these things come out it makes me feel blessed to be a Michigan fan. It feels good to have stability and excellence on and off the field. I would say we have that going pretty well here.
Seems that if this was a pattern with Coach Kill, it would have been heard of before. Jerry Kill has worked his way up through the ranks of coaching, so until other players validate Barker's story, it's all hearsay.
AJ Barker and Marquess Wilson to transfer to the same school to form the the rantiest/quitiest/whiniest WR duo in NCAACF history?
You would just need Chris Forcier to throw them the ball.
I don't mean that in a derogatory way.
Balls of brass in the face of authority, demanding a quality life experience, but at the same time way too emo and "entitled" for my taste.
Nothing like a quagmire to show you how easy you got it.
I'm 25 and I've been to Afghanistan 3 times. You don't know WTF you're talking about.
"I don't mean that in a derogatory way." Actually, yes, you clearly do. What has your generation given us? Oh that's right, a crippling debt and two useless wars, one of which continues to haunt me every damn day. I'm sorry, but I can't stand when people rip on one generation because they think it's fashionable. You don't like our generation? Trust me, we don't like you much either.
I can see why he'd be pissed or decide to leave. The leading receiver and they don't even give him a scholarship?
Not really taking either side, and I don't think the rant/letter was a smart idea. But I can certainly see why he'd be pissed.
It's one thing to be broken down (to be built back up), checked, etc. But its another to be taken advantage of like a bitch.
So many people are willing to take everything he said at face value. It may all be true, but no one knows shit. Jerry Kill could be an angel or the devil for all anyone knows, the rant of one person doesn't set the man's reputation in stone.
The kid clearly feels he had a bad relationship with Kill, leaving will be best for both sides. Putting it out there for the world to shows extremely poor judgement.
In the letter, he talks about how his parents raised him to be an honorable person. But airing a letter like this in public isn't honorable. Assuming it all happened the way he said it did, he should send the letter to Kill, and leave the team.
Agree to an extent, but when you think about it, if Kill really IS a horrible monster, which is theoretically possible, then isn't the most honorable thing to do to air how awful he is for the largest crowd imaginable, in the hope of effecting change?
The letter is pretty incendiary. I guess if this is true, and I'm not making a judgment whether it is or not, other players must be experienceing this as well. Maybe he should have gone to the AD first, voiced his issues before writing a 4000 word internet manifesto. Also, he's going to be on the radio on Monday, which seems pretty self-serving (again, without making a judgment the truth of the allegations). I would discourage my son from handling it this way.
On a positive note, he's got a ten page paper for that English class.
I understand that these things happen, but the right thing to do was to bow out gracefully and quietly.
Other than all the corrections of his misspellings.
Exactly. This is hauntingly similar.
Don't want to make a judgment about this without hearing both sides. I hope this kid transfers to Michigan though. Our student section needs some work!
So if you take it all at face value that's some pretty damning stuff for Kill. Pressuring a kid to play when he's injured, publicly belittling him for wanting to get the truth on his injury, and criticizing his religious beliefs seem like things that are unacceptable from a head football coach.
Playing Kill's advocate for a minute though... the one thing that stands out about all this and makes it sound like whiny BS is when he claims to be the best / most effective receiver on the team (and even has a quote from his mom's friend that he's not only the best receiver, but the best player!). This definitely hurts his credibility. How many head coaches who want to win 1) treat their top players like dogs, so badly they are run off the team? 2) fail to give their top players a scholarship offer? or 3) fail to even start their top players? If Kill is as narcissistic and self-interested as this kid would have us believe, I would assume, if Barker is so great, that Kill would have done everything in his power to keep him on the field and make him happy, so that the Gophers have the best chance of winning. This sounds kind of like a kid who thinks his talent level is far higher than it actually is, and doesn't like dealing with criticism. Unfortunately we'll probably never know the full story because we were never in the locker room or in practice. That said we may get some anonymous bits either confirming or denying some of these events.
Also as a sidenote, I agree with the others on this board, wayyyyy too long. Learn how to make your point in a concise way young man. More words =/= better...
After reading through the whole thing, I think Jerry Kill belongs to a specific group of people. These people, when stuck in a rage, will say ANYTHING to the person in front of him. Their words will often hurt others because they are so insulting and beyond reasons. And they will not realize the damage it's done until someone told them or when it's way, way afterwards.
Now, if Kill actually said that Barker will never get a scholarship, then he definitely belongs to the very upper echelon of this group. I mean who say things like this reasonably? It's like a boss telling the best aspiring intern that s/he will never get the job no matter how hard you work and how well the job's done.
I love when people get butthurt about being downvoted (note, it wasnt me). But for real... it's the internet. Who cares. I barely post on here but as of late, all these people are whining and bitching like a bunch of kids in a world of warcraft forum. Just Stop It.
On a more related note. I had a college coach use similar tactics as Kill. In fact, this particular coach i'm reffering to is still coaching because he win's (not a Michigan coach, the sport was not football either). I'd be corfortable saying that 90% of the athletes on the team do not like this indivdual. He has numerous confrontations with his players and their parents every year. If you were not a starter or a very servicable backup, the chances of you playing all 4-5 years there slim to none. Even the kids that start for him disliked him.
The only reason he is still coaching and winning is because he is able to get the absolute BEST out of his starters by playing headgames, manipulation and installing fear in his players. This theory of coaching still works for some people. I see it less with younger coaches these days but it is still happening.
I don't blame A.J for wanting out but he went a little over board. This happens a lot more than he thinks.
I cannot belive how quick people are to jump on the kid. The disparaging comments about Barker remind me why I haven't posted on here in quite some time. I for one salute him for not just riding it out without having his heart in it and hope he find somewhere to play next year.
can believe or not believe anything written without evidence. You are as bad as those "jumping on the kid" because you, like them, are assuming something as fact which has yet to be proven to be a fact.
Well keep in mind, the guy didn't exactly leave in the most classy manner.
Even if everything he said is true, why air all that dirty laundry?
Dear Fellow Gophers,
I wanted to let you know that I have a high ankle sprain and am distraught that I cannot compete at the level that I or the coaches would like. For personal reasons, I am considering transfering and leaving the University of Minnesota. It has been an honor to be with this team and the U of M. I wish my teammates success in their remaining games and I will be cheering them on loudly as I know you will be. I want to extend my gratitude to everyone who's helped me and encouraged me along the way and my heart still shines brightly as a Golden Gopher.
Finally, I wanted to thank you, the fans, for supporting me and my teammates through thick and through thin. Farewell and Go Gophers!
Saying nothing about Kill's behavior would have basically excused his behavior. Not saying the super-long rant Barker wrote was the way to go either, a middle ground would have been best.
by ranting to the public about Kill's behavior. Even if true, it comes across that you are whining. Smart people can read between the lines and guess that he didn't get along with the coaches. People understand these are relationships and they don't work out.
The best thing to do is go out cheering your team. Send your rant to Kill's superiors. Your teammates will also know the reason you are leaving. If it is a systemic problem, others will leave too. If Kill doesn't win, your letter will be used as ammunition by the AD to terminate Kill's contract.
I feel sorry for the kid (and am certainly no apologist for Coach Kill) because Barker clearly has worked his butt off and he's injured and he's feeling abused rather than appreciated. His pain (physical and mental anguish) come through in his long note. But that is the sort of thing that you write for yourself and not for the rest of the world. It might feel good to tell someone off, but it doesn't ease the pain - it just festers the anger.
I think the fact he was a starter and their best WR, and then suddently leaves, gives this kid a lot of credibility. If you were that good and you were forced to leave, it has to be something B1G. This is something B1G if true.
Still need to be very hesitant with everything he says, and posting this online probably was not the best tactic...the story just got picked up by ESPN and this is going to cause a lot of clout and dust. I don't think this letter is going to help this kid transfer hopes...
Substitute "OL" for "WR" and you could have written that first paragraph about Justin Boren. He was our best returning lineman and then transferred suddenly, too.
Obviously, he considers whatever went down to be a big deal, but is he acting rashly? Is he frustrated over his ankle not healing faster? We just don't know enough here.
Well, Boren was a huge pansy about his situation, so I guess this guy is, too.
But that's the point, isn't it? If Jerry Kill is as bad for them as RR was for us, then he's going to be historically bad. I mean, Justin Boren, for all his whiny family-manipulated cheap shots and emo pity parties, was a leading indicator of how things would be under RR's tenure. Part of a coach's job, like it or not, is to keep all the players on the same page, even the headcases. Some players might go off the page, from time to time, but when you have a big-time, significant player who lights you up publicly in flames as he leaves, then it's almost certain you haven't done a good job as a head coach, at least not with that player, and probably not with others.
And .... wow.
Kill sounds like a manipulative a-hole.
Kill was basically blaming the lack of the progress on Barker's ankle injury on Barker's supposed inflated ego ( a walk on with an inflated ego? Sorry not buying it).
Kill then did the publicly berate / privately love manipulation tactic. Which is just creepy.
Yes I realize things like this happen, coaches pressure players to play injured and what not, doesn't make it right.
it's very unwise for just about any college player to publicly rant about a coach if they have any asperations of playing elsewhere. The typical reaction of other coaching staffs will be "uh oh, this kid's a whiner and not a team player."
It's analagous to going into a job interview for a new job you'd really like and then criticizing your current or former employer to the prospective new boss. He or she will automatically place you in their circular file as a potential malcontent.
That's why you bitch about the previous place after you get the new job :)
"I can’t wait until the end of the season because that would risk you building up a false reputation around me that could make me unattractive to any other football program." - from Barker's letter
I bristled at this a little bit. The tone of the letter might inadvertantly aid in doing the very thing he believes that Kill will do here, which is why these sorts of things are really better done in private behind a closed office door. Further, the P.S. almost seems condescending in a way, when he posts dictionary definitions of the things he accuses Kill of doing. Even if you have a legitimate problem, this might not be the most constructive forum or manner for it.
That being said, I will be curious as to the official reply to this from Kill and Minnesota, as it is now quite public. To take what Barker says at face value, you would definitely think that there are some substantial cultural issues with the program as well as some character issues with Jerry Kill. The fact that I read the whole thing meant, in my mind, that I am intrigued as to what actually did go on and if there are some issues at Minnesota. The presentation put me off a bit, but I wasn't exactly ready to dismiss everything Barker said at the same time. I would definitely be interested to see the other side, or if, in time, there are other players who leave with similar issues, which would point to a management issue.
I seriously doubt that there will be an other side, other than a vaguely worded PR piece that mentions there are two sides to every story and to wish Barker luck on his future endeavors. Then reporters will ask for specifics and coach Kill and the AD will say "no comment." It's an intriguing story at a program at the bottom of the Big Ten and will cease being a story at all in a few days.
I stopped reading at " thank you for not giving me a scholarship." All I needed to know. This kid is a big wuss.
will be interesting to see which (if any) coach takes him in next year and is immediately branded "soft and the kind of guy that enables a bunch of whiny timeout kids" by his recruiting rivals in that conference.
There's nothing like publicly berating a guy for publicly berating you. Way to rise above, AJ!
It makes a difference.
This sounds weird on both sides. First, I'm surprised Minnesota is so lax about players getting MRIs if they're injured. You'd think it would be SOP for an injured starter to get one. Second, it's very strage that he was getting acupuncture treatment outside of the program, when presumably they have a pretty good medical staff on hand. In any event, this probably shouldn't have been aired publicly. The whole "I am willing to meet with you about this..." bit is particularly odd to read. How is he going to take all this back?
I will say though that it does seem crazy that a guy who's caught 30 passes this year (seven of them for TDs) isn't on scholarship. You'd think he would have earned it once he made the starting lineup.
This is just like Marcus Dupree vs. Barry Switzer, if Marcus Dupree had the internet.
Oh, and if Dupree was an over entitled walk-on and Switzer was a middling coach at a bottom feeder school.
...is an "over-entitled walk-on"?
My take is that the kid has a legitimate complaint, is hurt and frustrated, but didn't handle it in the best way. For what it's worth, I've been coaching at the high school level for most of my career, sent several D1 and numerous other athletes on to play the next level (basketball, mostly, some soccer), and this letter strikes me as authentic. Hurt kid, angry, not handling it well, but likely accurate about what went on. His attitude could not have helped. But from things coaches have said to me, how they act (not Beilein, who was super on the few occasions I met him), I can easily believe the accusations of the religious slurs/insults, homophobic remarks, belittling and manipulative tactics, etc.
Does this kid's dad by chance works as a commentator on espn?
Craig James's kid and everyone condemed Leach...until more of the story came out and then the James family started to look more and more like whiny douches. It would not surprise me if this story had a similar arc.
Someone get this kid a participation trophy asap!
Sounds like a self important d-bag. He managed to slam his teammates and coaches in that note. I like how he said that he loved beating the players he was better than. Nice work.
He's the product of this generation which has little respect for authority and thinks they are the most important thing in the world. I feel for coaches that have to try and break this mentality all these"good parents" instilled in their kids.
Shut up you cry baby and support your team.
Funny that AJ claims that Jerry mentioned how he has saved "problematic players in the past (calling out by name: Bart Scott, Brandon Jacobs, and even my teammate Michael Carter). . ." The same Bart Scott that got into a fight with the defensive coordinator at Southern Illinois, which led to the entire football staff being fired and Jerry Kill being hired. Sounds like the AD agreed that the staff was being too tough on the young men. Jerry should really be against berating players after that particular incident. Plus, Bart only played one season under Coach Kill, and he still shows some jerk tendencies with the Jets, so I'm not sure if Jerry actually "saved" him. Nevertheless, Barker is so dramatic for posting that letter.
In MN - Barker is getting an interview on local TV station tonight (was the promo teaser after Sunday night football). I have Gopher season tickets (went to the real U of M but my daughter loves football) so have followed the team pretty close. I am sure Barker is exaggerating some but his story is consistent with what I have seen publicly from Kill and his staff the last two years. Lots of talk about how soft and untalented the players were / are (he publicly stated he had more talent and thougher players at UNI multiple times) and made public commitments to making the kids tough over and over again. Also had players who were "too soft" wear pink jerseys when he first got there. Think he discontinued that after a while. Anyways, for anyone who is just assuming Barker is making this all up because he sounds whiny (which he admittedly does), I encourage you to go through some of Jerry's press conference transcripts, especially from last year.
Kids are much different these days, and it's mostly NOT good.
There was something about the old days in terms of responses to an authority figure. One - in an age when sports medicine is so advanced, techniques for warmup and post-workout recovery is so high, yet athletes don't seem to want to put the time in doing it right. they're too damn worried about the latest video game, who's tweeting what, and the bs that goes with life these days.
Two - injured athletes in general, don't approach rehab work the same way they do training. The best do, but most use it as an opportunity to slack. I've watched injured athletes skip rehab sessions, not fully stretch, ignore warnings, and even goof around and work the injured areas in non-workout activities, only to watch them complain about it later. I adopted a simple policy this year - if you skipped going to the trainers room before school for rehab (we have 3 certified AT's on campus), you're healthy enough to practice without restrictions. This generation thinks because they can google stuff that they are suddenly full of wisdom. Forget the fact that most of them don't actually do much research, but even when they do, that means they have information. They can't synthesize, analyze or evaluate worth anything and might be a generation dumber than any other in time.
Three - everyone always says they work hard and are dedicated. Well, I started to hear that too much by athletes skipping rehab, skipping practices, eating poorly, etc. So I've put together a list of "What you'll need to do when you say, 'I want to get better'". This list is quite exhaustive, but it embodies the person who really means "I want to get better". That phrase is as trite and overused as "I love you". Okay, show me. I've adapted it to the classroom as well. Most athletes won't do half of what's on the list, so It's a good reminder of what they really need to do.
Four - coddled. As a teacher/coach, these kids are the weakest and laziest I could imagine. They all think they are good because they are told that and they have the participation ribbons to show it. I had one of my senior athletes tell me in a written post-race evaluation that they were proud of their last performance because, even though they missed their PR by over 2 minutes, they fought hard on the course and attacked the tough parts, oh and finally beat a teammate that they never beat before in a race, but beat regularly in practice. Great, because there is nothing more that I want then you being happy with a horrible race performance and focusing on finishing ahead of teammates.
I don't know Jerry Kill, and he might be an ass, but honestly, I know too many of these athletes today are spoiled, coddled, and their comments should be viewed with MASSIVE amounts of skepticism. My high school coach in one of my sports was a jerk. And yet I made sure that I ran for my teammates and myself, and I learned to deal with it. My parents supported me, but never offered to get involved. I confronted my jerk coach, and he listened, he made some changes, even though much of the damage was done, but we handled it like two adults.
Maybe that's the lesson here. Sack up, confront Coach Kill and deal with it. Great job quitting on your teammates. And then publicly crying about it during the season, not waiting until the season was over. Great way to rip your team apart.
Two words for a kid like that: Selfish d-bag.
Sounds like Kill was cutting him and not renewing his scholarship. I wouldn't be so quick to defend the coaching fraternity. I'm usually skeptical of any player alleging abuse, but until Kill responds, there is no reason to call this kid entitled. Sometimes the allegations are very, tragically real (see Gary Barnett's Colorado Buffalos).
Kill never gave him a scholarship. He was a walk-on. Kill apparently threatened not to give him a scholarship if he didn't do a better job rehabbing his ankle.
Excellent old man rant. I am sure your generation was much better than today's lazy kids with their videogames and twitters. Clearly blindly following an authority figure and never questioning what you are told is the way to go. Yessir, that always ends well. Seriously though, your broad generalization of an entire generation is a pathetic joke. I would love to hear you share your views with the guy in this thread that has done 3 tours in Afghanistan at the age of 25. You couldn't come off as more of a hackneyed bitter old-man stereotype if you tried. To be fair, your post did get me audibly laugh so I guess I should thank you for that. Thanks. I am not even a part of the generation you are stereotyping but your post was so comical I just couldn't help myself
If you would actually read my post, I made a number of observations based on my coaching experience and compared to my days as an athlete. I'm hardly an old man (mid 30s), so perhaps you can go re-read my comments.
I never advocated blindly following anyone, but there was a certain amount of respect athletes had for coaches. Did I ever question my coach, yes? Was there a right way to do it? Absolutely. I never upstaged my coach, a trainer or staff during practice. I knew I could talk to them after practice. I'm not sure that Barker did that at.
As for stereotyping, I'm in the classroom daily and on the practice field. This is what I see. And from fellow coaches, many from 30 and over, they've noticed much of the same things. You see, sometimes us "old men" actually have something called wisdom. It comes from experience. You see things. You can track trends. You notice how things change over time. Sure, we're succeptible to comparing things to the days of old (these student-athletes are very fortunate today and I wish I had much of what they had ...). I realize that many of them have it harder in some respects - much of my friends grew up in stable home environments, which many of these athletes don't have.
BTW - I've shared this view with one of my friends who has done multiple tours, including in Iraq and Afghanistan, and he'd agree with the generalization. You might want to consider what a generalization is, and why people use it, effectively. I didn't say everyone was like this, but when I read the comments by the athlete in question, I instantly begin to wonder what his motives were, and if he's correct.
Post Script - we see Jerry Kill's response. He wasn't being a jerk by not rewarding the kid a scholarship, there was a time limit. Oklahoma had a similar situation with a running back a few years ago, and consider the walk on wide receiver at Michigan State a few years back. I believe he initially started when John L was there, and bridged over to the Dantonio era. Can't remember the name right now, but lets not assume the coach is a jerk because most kids today have been told they are great since day 1.
The kid is a walk-on and is dominating their receiving stats, with 30 catches for 577 yards and 7 TDs. The next best guy on the team has 19 catches for 256 yards and 2TDs.
So, you have a walk-on that is your clear #1 receiver and you won't give him a scholarship. That is douchebag move #1. The rest of the stuff is all conjecture because we don't know who said what, but I'm inclined to believe the kid, because IMO any coach that wasn't a total douchebag would have already given this kid a scholarship.
It sounds like Kill is mad that this walk-on is a way better receiver than all the guys he recruited.
This isn't my primary thought when reading his post or this thread but since the subject's been raised: if this hurts Minnesota's recruiting, as some have speculated...
...how would we know?
(Or, less snarkily, is it possible that stuff like this is responsible for the fact that they barely even have a recruiting class?)
He had to cite Wikipedia?!
What does this say about the state of English language learning and teaching? I mean how can you submit something like this that thousands of people will read?
"Tyraid" really does it in.
Hey Michigan fans,
I was curious about other Big Ten fanbases's reaction to the whole Barker situation. I haven't really sided with either Kill or Barker, but I just thought that I'd clear some things up:
- Barker is a walk-on and only had two receptions prior to this year. Kill during this season didn't outright say that Barker would be awarded with a scholarship, but it's unimaginable that Kill actually wouldn't have awarded Barker with a scholarship next semester.
- In his rant, he said he didn't consistently ice his ankle because it made his ankle "stiff." What? He also says he went to various other measures to self-diagnose himself and help his ankle without notifying the training staff.
- In his TV interview, he admitted to have had previous problems with authority. Multiple times on twitter he as bashed his high school coach.
All that being said, some of the allegations are damning, and the gay and religious slurs are unacceptable.