Ex Marine here, and I don't think they'll really be butthurt about the chant during a football game. It's not like we're giving a serious critique with that chant. I agree that the chant itself is stupid, but this just seems kind of silly.
Air Force does NOT suck (Temptation Chant)
I agree - it's not like they can't stand up to a little jeering about a football game.
But, hey, if this is what's necessary to get rid of the chant, then I'm all aboard.
But I guess on the Internet u can't tell
You never know who the ACTUAL internet tough guys are.
I'm happy to say I don't think it's actually about Air Force, and more about getting the chant out of Michigan Stadium.
EX??? as a veteran Marine myself, that implies something Chunkums...
I agree that the chant is dumb and we could do better.
I was going to say something about the ex- too but I figured I'd leave it alone because no one else would get it.
well I am ex-Navy, and I thought you Marines were always Marines, and in my view -- given the amount of grief my glider pilot grandfather and u2 mechanic cousin gave me -- the Air Force really does suck.
The chant still needs to go however.
Nah, it's nothing shady. I was honorably discharged as a sergeant last year. I appreciate the values I gained through serving, and how the leadership has helped me in my career, but I've had a serious ideological shift regarding my thoughts on war since I turned 18 and enlisted. I don't want to get into politics, so lets just say that I'm very happy about my current status as non-deployable thanks to the ending of my contract.
I don't think anyone was throwing stones.
I definitely support saying "Go Blue!" Then we might get the whole stadium to chant it instead of just the students. Having 100,000 people chant "Go Blue!" would be more intimidating, I would think, than having 20,000 people in one corner of the stadium chanting "You suck!"
I always thouh the big problem with the "You suck" was that it was incredibly stupid and classless and unorigional. It makes the fans sound like a bunch of 12-year-olds.
Agree, and I think that's why pretty much none of the alumni chant it.
Also because that addition didn't exist when 95+% of the alumni were in the student section.
And for good reason -- the "you suck" addition, uh, sucks.
We come across as morons every time it is used. Stay classy, Michigan, and go blue!
While we're at it, what about yelling, "Gooooooooooooooooooo BLUE!" on kickoffs, instead of "OooooooooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOH!"
The point is that 99% of people in the stadium don't do it.
I've always wanted to get a "Let's Go Blue" going right after the ball is kicked.
ooooOOOOOOOOHHHH! (ball kicked). LET'S GO BLUE.
I made a thread about this not too long ago. I totally agree though. Let's maybe even applaud the air force team as they run onto the field. They're playing for the love of the game, not for future NFL dreams.
It isn't like the UMass kids are all going to be ballin' in the league either. Maybe it will take seeing what a silly thing it is to shout at future members of our armed forces to make people realize how silly/tacky it is to shout at any kid playing for an opposing school.
I agree. I'm all for supporting the military, but should we change a chant just for them? Do we think MSU can handle a chant but our military members can't? If I were a player for one of the academies, I'd be offended by that.
They're still college football players trying to win a football game. Our players aren't going to go easy on them, why should the fan?
I think It's more about showing respect to them than taking it easy on them in terms of the fan atmosphere.
As a former USAFA Cadet I have to say that it garnered a lot of respect when a non-traditional team applauded the Falcons as they came on the field. Now games against CSU for example, that's a completely different story but I do remember when Oklahoma came to Colorado Springs and their fans applauded as our players came on the field it really made me feel like they "got it" in that these guys aren't only playing for the love of the game they (with extremely rare exception) are soon going to be defending our country...
I think it's more a good opportunity to break the habit. Trying to stop it during the Air Force game is more likely to get the "AMMURICA FUCK YEAH" crowd on board, who otherwise might be the hardest ones to convince to give up a derpderp cheer.
dumbest chant our students do. My favorite is when they do a "YOU SUCK!" on third down, then the team goes for it on 4th and short and converts
Are you a fan of all of MIchigan's opponents? Why would that be your favorite?
I was being sarcastic. Try to keep up
So it's not the dumbest chant we do?
His first sentence was not sarcastic. His second sentence was sarcastic.
It was really quite an easy comment to follow. I'm not sure why you're being so difficult.
Well, Keith, if you didn't get the sarcasm in my posts, I"m not sure what to tell you.
compared to the other poster in this thread, I obviously wasn't the only one who missed the glaring sarcasm in your posts. But, good jokes.
I laughed at the bacon posts actually, maybe because it sounds like something I'd say.
"it's my favorite when the other team goes for it on 4th down and gets it."
"why would that be your favorite?"
Both were sarcastic, but the first one was sarcastic in a complaining sort of way, and the second one was sarcastic in a poking fun at you sort of way. I just prefer the latter.
Don't mind them bacon, I laughed.
During the chant last year I chanted Hulk smash instead. You could probably change that to Hoke Smash if you want. Que cool story bro comments
Yeah, because I'm sure it caught around super well with the people around you.
They are playing football. They're tough military people. They can handle "you suck" from the student section. This is stupid and pointless and pathetic
Agreed! And the "you suck" chant was in full swing during my four years, so I enjoy it. Regarding AF specifically, they're football players, just because they're doing a great honor to our country doesn't mean we can't treat them with the faux-hate we treat to the rest of our opponents. You can call it classless if you want, but unless you have a problem with the hockey chants too, I'm calling shenanigans. (And if you have a problem with those too... well you'll probably want me off your lawn now.)
Their hearts are in the right place, but this is actually a little bit insulting. As if AF is not a "real" team.
They want to beat us, we want to beat them. Go at it. Shake hands afterward.
Saying "you suck" is lame, but not because it will hurt AF's feelings. It's lame for the Ohio State game too.
They are playing against another group of 85 super talented athletes. They are way better at football than anybody sitting in our student section and I'd like their chances in just about any other form of competition/combat you could name.
If the players on the field want to talk shit to the guys they are actually competing against that is one thing. For people in the stands wearing a jersey without pads/helmet to do it is kind of ridiculous, no matter how patriotic the opposing school. The fact that Taylor Lewan is a badass doesn't make you or I one, and we should all probably act accordingly.
Ok....so why bother cheering at games at all? They're not our opponents out there, we don't have a tie to the team other than being fans and/or students/alumni, so we should just sit there and watch against any opponent passively. Sounds fun. I'm not a fan of the chant, but I don't think anyone considers themselves a badass when they do it. Just a fan.
So we should never taunt opponents? It's almost always a given that calling a team shitty is "shitty relative to league" not "shitty relative to all humans". 1962 Mets excluded. And I'm pretty sure the Air Force kids can take it, consider what they signed up for.
I don't particularly like the You Suck chant but it's ridiculous to campaign to not do it against a service academy. If there's anything this country is founded on -- and our troops are obstensibly fighting for -- its the ideal that all people should be treated the same, even our troops. The idea we should be nicer to our opponent just because they're the Air Force is a wholly un-American thought.
Actually, I think the op brought it up as a springboard to not do it anymore, not just for one game...
I get what you are saying. But you and I both know that reality is different. There are numerous examples where people (& politicans, but we can't go there!) urge that military & vets be treated differently, and the American public feel good about complying with that. Whether it's being applauded in the airport or given discounts at businesses or being featured in ads to boast how many vets Walt Disney has hired--treating the military as exceptional is a well-loved theme. I think there some weird thing about not repeating the experience of those who fought in Vietnam BUT AGAIN I CAN'T GO THERE.
Eliminate it for good. That's all I have to say about that.
I swear I'm not watching Forrest Gump right now...
LtDan: so I thought I'd try out my sea legs
FG: but you ain't got no legs LtDan.
Just a question for some of the anti-Yousuck people on the board. What else do you think is out there? There's not much you can work with with 2 syllables. To me chanting "Go Blue" when we're down multilple scores in games is ridiculous too, and you can hardly call it original either
I'm sorry, but there's never a bad time to chant "Go Blue!"
To me chanting "Go Blue" when we're down multilple scores in games is ridiculous too, and you can hardly call it original either
What? When we chant "Go Blue," we're cheering on our team. When they're behind is all the more time to cheer them on.
Hey, Lionsfan, it's your mom.
She says, "YOU SUCK".
Somehow chanting "you suck" while down multiple scores makes more sense?
I think they are used to much worse when they play their rivalry games with the other academies. "You suck" needs to be eliminated when we are losing in games for sure, I mean how stupid does it sound then? But I don't know that it should be changed for certain opponents.
If it doesn't work when we're behind, it needs to be scrapped, because asking fans to remember two different chants at the end of "Temptation" (one when ahead; one when behind) is a bit much.
I second the "Go Blue!" replacement.
I like the 'You Suck' chant... Maybe I'm the minority, but hey, hey, hey
It sounds sweet after a huge 3rd down stop...however when we are losing, it is the worst thing that ever happened ever.
It might sound sweet in the student section, but you can hardly hear it in most of the stadium because the non-students don't chant it.
We need something that everyone in the stadium can chant. "Go Blue" fits that purpose quite well.
You probably can't hear the student section because you are old.
Yep, I'm an old fart - I graduated in 2003.
In the south end of the stadium, you can't hear it very well. It was also almost impossible to hear the marching band from there until it was mic'd up.
In a stadium with our acoustics, if you want a chant to succeed, it's got to be embraced by everybody, not just the students.
it's certainly audible on television. the mics pick it up all the time.
Could be because the TV mics are right in front of the student section (well, really the band which is in the student section).
The BBQ at the big house needs to get here ASAP so we can (hopefully) read some hello posts and be happy again... today has been brutal.. The weekend can't get here quick enough!
I suggest we lose to them for the sake of patriotism as well.
I don't care about the chant as I'm not a big rah-rah guy when I go to games to begin with, so I rarely say anything. But this just seems stupid to me. Who cares that they're Air Force? They're a football team in this instance. It's not like this would even be a form of civil disobedience or preventing the military from doing their job. I'm probably a little biased because I'm a pacifist, but this is just silly to me.
First time I heard it as a little kid I thought it was dumb, and a bit classless. Now it's a sort of thing that I think makes us look bad. For a few years, too, I was wondering which team they were referring to. I can't believe THIS is a tradition people would fight for...
We need to show some class and respect. I never understood the damn "You Suck" thing anyway.
It's a dumb chant. If you're going to do it, then at least own it like hockey and make it a string of expletives that will take days to explain to your kids. Even better, just say Go Blue!
I'm all for any reason to get rid of the "you suck" chant.
As an Air Force veteran and current student I will be shouting whatever the chant may be. While I agree that "You Suck" is rather immature, suspending it just because it's Air Force is ridiculous.
I have many friends that are still serving, and spent almost 6 years in myself, but the military is not something that should be held sacred or somehow above hearing the normal half-cocked heckling that goes on during a football game, especially something as generic as a "you suck" that's said to everyone, at every game.
and as a 2 time grad of M, I assure you that we are very respectful of all of the Armed Forces. I understand why some people think it's arrogant, but it's just fun.
Is disrespect to the defense who just forced a punt. It's embarrassing, and sounds horrible on tv.
Has always been the addition of You Suck at the end of Temptation. We didn't do it when I was a student ('98), but sometime shortly after it started. It's not even clever, it's offensive, and can't we come up with something better - oh yeah, Go Blue. And no, Go Blue never sounds stupid, up by 3 scores, down by 5 scores (oh, the RichRod era).
As for doing it while the US Air Force Academy is playing us, and their cadets are watching ... you're right, they are tougher than almost every member of the student body. And I'm sure they won't even be able to make out what is being said, but that isn't the point. Remember, that entire student body has signed up to protect this country. While we can have different views on prior US military action (most of which is not decided upon by the military - our commander in chief is a civilian commander) they go and serve where they are told and when they are told. They put their lives at risk defending most of us, who live under and are able to do what we want because of that protection. Not always perfect, but definitely honorable.
In summary, You Suck is a stupid cheer and should be cut out permanently. However, it might be a nice touch to do it starting with the Air Force game. My opinion.
but quite ridiculous. There was a great CBS documentary this past spring on football at Army/Navy which followed players at each academy for an entire season, leading up to the big game. The cadets and midshipmen were incredibly impressive young people. But I remember one of them vocalizing one of his biggest complaints about playing for an academy: people in visiting stadiums were cheering them when they entered the stadium. He said when you're the visiting team, you want to get booed, it's part of the fun of football.
I'll boo them when they enter, if "you suck" is going, I'm not going to sit in judgment of the chant. It is what it is. And you suck, Air Force, because you're playing Michigan. Thanks for your service. Now punt, you bastards.
talk to someone who knows the rhythm and can do it properly, mkay? Cause nothing is worse than a group of drunks doing it all out of rhythm.
I think this is fine, but believe me, no one on the team is going to get their little feelers hurt. They will be happy to be playing in front of such a huge crowd against this storied team. If you think that men trained to fight and die are going to get thier feathers ruffled by an incoherent and half full student section chanting "you suck" you don't have a very good handle on their sensibilities.
That said, I would still cheer for them out of the tunnel and when they score / make a good play.
Thanks for serving!
Seconded. I work for a defense contractor and some of the USMC vets at work tease our fighter pilot consultant for being in the "chairforce." Somehow I don't think that Lt. Col. goes home and cries to his mommy at the end of the workday.
Everyone on this board who has been to a game at the Big House has yelled "you suck" at the game at least once! It's whatever for me, but if you oppose it I bet the first time you have cheered for the team since 2007 at the Big House is UTL! Second not cheering or heckling the same way you do for other teams doesn't make you more patriotic or "Merican" than anyone else.
You're wrong. I've never chanted it, and very few people around me ever have. The chant has never gotten much traction outside of the student section. It should be retired.
Have a meeting with all the students at UofM and ask them to stop. And I heard you yell it this year in the 4th quarter against Ohio. I saw it don't even deny it, that smirk you have right now gives it away!
Are there people that think this is a good chant under any circumstance?
Cuz it's not.
What are you talking about? It's a hallmark of creativity and wit! Perry Como would be proud.
When Taylor Martinez drops back to pass, it's quite appropriate actually.
More appropriate for T-Mart: replacing it with ARM PUNT
I think the loud YOU SUCK! at the end is ok, but it would be best if we sang the original lyrics (see my Sig)
I am pretty sure that if i was on the opposing team, i would want the full big house experience. These are D1 athletes, and I am sure that they would want to be treated just as any other football team would. They're not looking for hand outs just because they are at the academy.
Maybe instead of "you suck" we could yell "praise jesus" or something like that there.
for a badass flyover its the day we play Air Force
I thought we all agreed on Hoke Smash last year.
That sounds horrible why not Power Rangers or Batman?
Sorry double post after double shot still trying to forget Fitz and his bad decisions
That right there, that's ironic...
From the facebook page:
"This isn't about football"
Yes it is. It's a football game and we're harassing our opponent. Somehow I think the air force guys are tough enough to take a little razzing from other kids thier age; and I'm sure many in the Michigan crowd know at least 1 person who served or did serve in the military.
Saying "you suck," is just directed at the football team. It doesn't mean that you suck for being a part of Air Force. And I'm sure the players are smart enough to know that. They're football players. They have, no doubt, heard much worse in opposing stadiums.
With that said, I long ago got tired of the you suck chant. I thought it was funny for a couple games in 2006 when it started but now, I don't know. It just feels lazy and non-creative. Plus, I get the feeling that the majority of the students don't even know the song title, "Temptation." They just refer to it as the "You Suck Song."
I assume some of them know it as the "Goalie - Sieve Song".
Back in the day (1997), everybody would cheer the defense as they came off of the field after a stop. Now, the students instead semi-rhythmically chant "You Suck." That is not an improvement.
I'm pretty sure it was being said before 2006. I thought I remember it back in my freshman year, which was 2004.
Im glad it's being talked about. I was surprised when I first heard it. I hope it goes away. If we're supposed to be about class, then the chant must go. Honestly when I first heard it, I thougt it sounded like something sparty fans would do.
I don't need a student section to be classy. But, creative is a must.
"You Suck" is the most uncreative taunt ever. I understand that the football student section will never come close to the creativity of the Maize Rage (let alone the hockey S.S.), but still. You Suck is plain dumb.
The first time I remember hearing it was the Appalachian game. Accordingly, I've come to associate the chant with the ugliness that occurred from 2007-10. I'd prefer not to be reminded of those years every time we get a stop.
Two! Sie! after a Lewan pancake block.
Yeah, I'm sure the student section will jump right on with this. They have always been so considerate of what others think and so eager for changing their ways.
They'll change if it's for the greater good. When I was an undergrad (1998-03), students would throw marshmallows at each other and sometimes on the field (the TV cameramen would film inside a little cage for protection). But then we switched to FieldTurf, and marshmallows that landed on the turf could potentially melt and stick there. Lloyd Carr urged the students to stop in a little message before the first game with the new surface, and just like that, it stopped.
Homefield advantage largely comes down to fan participation. The current students have to decide if they want to chant something that the other 80% of the stadium won't participate in, or something that everyone will.
Speaking of chants, I've noticed a little trend the last couple of years where people are trying to shout "HAIL" and raising their fist when the "what so proudly we hailed" line comes up in the national anthem. That seems a little tacky to me. The national anthem is supposed to be about forgetting about sports for a minute and honoring the country. It doesn't need any "extras."
I don't know if it started in the Maize Rage, but I know when I was in the MR it was commonplace.
Is it really that big of a deal? Ohio State does "OH." What's so wrong with giving a fist pump for the combined awesomeness of Murika and Michigan?
I wish the alums would pick up on it - I think that's a slick, classy, subtle tradition that can take hold.
Is it really that big of a deal? Ohio State does "OH."
I think you answered your own question. We are not Buckeyes . . . we don't need to beat our chests during the national anthem.
I thought it was a little tacky when we stopped playing The Yellow and Blue during pregame. Seriously, that was a "get off my lawn" moment for me.
it can be pretty funny. But it's not something I do during every Star Spangled Banner I listen to.
I've always though 'You Suck' was a little Sparty-esque. At the games, we always just sang the lyrics to Temptation.
Navy used to get treated with respect when they played in Michigan Stadium in the 1960's. I would really hope to see any armed forces team treated with the utmost in respect. It's not like they get to go to a cushy job or life after four years.
Those are the people who will be protecting our asses when they get out of school. They deserve to be treated as such: everyplace but the scoreboard.
As a former Marine Officer, I can say, with certainty, that the Air Force and its academey do, indeed, suck.
That said, I'm all for whatever permanently ends the "you suck" chant. It's just dumb--even though it was pretty funny when the obnoxious, but really friendly, Nebraska alumnus sitting behind me began to agree with its sentiments last season.
Air Force can handle the chant. The chant is not unpatriotic or pro-Taliban. The chant doesn't imply that we don't support the troops.
The chant is just really, really stupid.
As a former AIR FORCE SSGT!!! I know for a fact that the Air Force DOES NOT SUCK!!! Personally I know a lot of Army,Marines members that love them. What would war be like without planes that can drop bombs and spray bullets from great distances to save said Army/Marines from having to get real close at times. Against large groups of combatants?? A big Thank You should be said when the entire team comes on the field. Sorry for the rant but this message really pissed me off.
This isn't some bawdy by creative long-lived tradition like the fans in Yost provide (even though to many that is debatable/controversial). The addition of you suck to a song of such long tradition cheapens it and us. It is not reflective of the greatness of UM, the Big Ten, or college football. It so lacks class that it would be much more at home as a tradition of the Philistines in Columbus. And while you are at the task of classing things up, stop any chants of "overrated" (a clever choice just before the Kordell Stewart hail Mary pass, ye of the student section!), and fergodssakes stop booing opposing team's bands!
It started my sophomore year, i never understood where it came from in the first place. We have tradition so that generations of Michigan alumni can be connected. Adding you suck at the end is dumb. This is Michigan, not Sparty
I am very glad to see a movement to end this juvenile and tasteless chant. I never liked it the first time I heard it -and I was about 25 years old.
It sounds petulant and cheap. It's embarrassing to the school, and it makes me feel dirty when I hear it. Now at Yost, I know anything goes, and I don't have a problem with that, because of the intimate environment there. But at the flagship sporting event of the university, at Michigan Stadium, "you suck" presents us as a bunch of children with zero creativity.
When Kurt Angle walked down to a WWE ring (i still loved him though) and when we're playing Ohio and we're up by more than 7 points
Of course, there's only one sure way to stop this chant. The solution is for the band to find some song other than "Temptation" to celebrate the defensive stop on third down. Something like "The Victors" maybe. Students won't shout You Suck at the end of "The Victors," right? After about 5 years or so, the band can try to go back to "Temptation" in those situations to see if the You Suck thing has disappeared.
I'm with the folk who want to see it go permanently. It's very Michigan State-ish.
If we were clever we'd learn Army and Navy's fight songs. Navy's at least would be good to repeat for Notre Dame.
"You suck" implies that the defense getting a stop has little to do with Michigan's Defense being good.
Our cheers and chants should be about pumping up our own team. Negativity toward the other school doesn't really do that.
As long as you're getting rid of you suck, can you throw in the "who cares" as well. To me "who cares" is much more disrepesctful to the armed services teams than you suck. Without getting too off the deep end here, names are important to servicemen for obvious reasons (MIA/KIA/the Unknown Soldier et al.)
You can lump it into my response above that cadets aren't going to care, but I think most of the vets in the crowd may, if they think about it a little, especially those who experienced loss while serving, or the families. If it doesn't feel right it probably isn't.
Regardless of opponent, You suck is embarrasing to many alumni. Change would be welcome and certainly represent Michigan ideals better. Air Force brings the issue to light only because it is highly doubtful that anyone attending a Michigan game, especially with our emphasis on Military recognition, truly believes that anyone dedicating themselves to our country's Armed Forces "sucks". Lets raise the bar.
How about chanting U-S-A, U-S-A, U-S-A when they are announced?
Happened to just see this, and wanted to pose a question:
We don't plan on booing Air Force, do we? I mean, I feel like we should arrange some sort of applause or something when they take the field.
As far as the 'You Suck' chant goes, I'm not attached to it, but I don't feel "Go Blue" flows very well in it. Just my opinion, and it could be that I am so used to the you suck that I haven't given go blue a chance, but that's just my opinion.
To those complaining about the 'You Suck' chant, let's take a minute to appreciate we're not like the student section in East Lansing, where their chants consist of"
On each Spartan first down: "1...2...3... First down, Bitch"
"Fuck Michigan. They suck balls."
These are organized, audible cheers that nearly the entire student section participates in. Astonishing, really.