Afternoon Games (Open) Thread ***updated from "Early Afternoon Games"***
OSU up 7-0 30 seconds in....ha.
TD Braxton Miller. 69 yds on the ground.
do that...nobody home in the middle
ESPN annoucers just acknowledged the pointlessness in watch the game.
I thought the same thing. These could not care less that they are calling this game.
Illinois' defense made a bold 36-second stand there. It was nice while it lasted anyway. Braxton Miller scores and it is now 7-0 Ohio State. The Buckeyes are -33 or something like that, or they were that last time I saw the spread.
Can't wait for The Game... no wait, yes I can. I will be drinking heavily. Let's hope recruits aren't watching.
Camp Randall with a mostly empty endzone. Attendance issues everywhere!!
This happens every game. We moan about our student section, but the Camp Randall student section is very famous for not filling up quickly. I have a picture from OSU-UW last year at kickoff...student section nowhere near full. And I can verify that the weather in the greater Madison, WI metroplex is pretty depressing today.
Should have slept in
Man, if you are playing at noon these days, you are a really down-and-out crap matchup. Even inept Michigan at B1G-winless NW is on at 3:30.
I now do chores from 12:00 to 3:00 on Saturdays instead of watching CFB.
Seems like ESPN is mailing the OSU-Illinois game in as well. Dave Pasche (sp?) referred to Sheelhasse (sp?) as Shazier. Brian Griesie welcomed us back to Ohio State (sounds like it from the crowd).
Weather in Madison is horrible
Indiana looks like they are wearing candy canes on their heads.
I like the helmets. LOVED UCLA and Washington's unis last night.
UCLA uni's were terrible.
How so? They were innovative, matched the blackout theme, and were a nice change.
I hate blank uni's when they aren't a school color. UCLA is True Blue and Gold.
Uni Watch calls that phenomenon "black for black's sake" (BFBS).
I thought the uniforms were great. But then again I'm young and not preaching about how great the 1970's were.
My point is when I turn on a football game I would like to have a decent chance of identifying who is playing by looking at the teams on the field. Look at me I am doing thing differently to generate attention.....just like everyone else.
Not bad from miller. Into the wind, fairly stationary stance- 60 yards on the fly
just beautiful: 64 yrds and completely unreturnable. Why is this such a difficult concept for our team?
I envy Wisconsin's offensive line so much
I'm envious watching Miller throw quick outs that dont reqiure the line to block at all.
Is that a real thing?
Commie football. We can't have that here
And they actually have a line.
We have no short passing game becuase Borges doesn't believe in quick outs and screens except that one play to Gallon.
sigh. Also: easy swing pass on 3rd down for a TD.
Don't we lead the nation in.....nah.
Wow can't wait for Ohio State to come here.
Illinois is pretty crappy.
I like watching a good running game
I was just about to post something similar. I saw a sign a few weeks back on ESPN Gameday. it said something to the effect of, Georgua, where Mark Richt turns 5 star players into 3stars.
Well Wisconsin is the exact of that!
I believe we have those threads already!
Is going to put 60-70 on us.
We'll be lucky to score.
I'll bet you we don't lose 60-0
Who y'all got next week in the Illinois-Purdue matchup?? I'm thinking Boilers
Not that it would make much differenc, but it is extemely bad luck that we managed to miss both Illinois and Purdue, who are far and away the two worst teams in the conference.
No idea who wins, but I think the human race as a whole will be the loser.
Did I hear the announcers say that Carlos Hyde doesn't have a single rush for a loss this season?
Wonder what that'd be like.
Correct, coming into this game, Hyde has had positive yardage on every carry.
After hearing that Kentucky just gave up a 100 yard PAT block return for a score. Kentucky 6, Vandy 2.
I like Kentucky's pitching. This one should be over.
So we are just 2 guards away from putting up 21 on Ill in 1 quarter right guys? Guys? Bueller?
And a center.
Senior, RS Junior, RS Junior, RS Junior, RS Sophomore. Wisconsin's o-line plus two seniors at TE.
And 7 seniors starters on D and no defensive starter that is any younger than a RS Sophmore.
Wisconsin has a new coach and those guys playing very well..whats the deal there? Are these all BB players?
Bielema left a full cupboard!
In 2011 Michigan had a new coach and the players played very well.
Oh right, today's Saturday. I forgot.
UW: James White
6 carries, 116 yards. IU defense and such, but still.
Hyde just had a rush of -.2 yards. Rejoice!
Is there's a mercy rule in CFB?
Just got done with two soccer games. Who looks good, bad if terrible so far?
Illinois is just sad.. Penn vs Harvard is more exciting at this point
Ohio State's success is making this year even more difficult.
Braxton will probably get pulled after they punch this one in? I don't see any reason to leave him in there. Keep him healthy for Michigan and the Bowl Game.
I want what Wisconsin has.
A regional program that everyone outside of the Midwest doesn't fear? A team that recruits 3 star players just to get beat every year in bowl season? I'll pass.
3 Rose Bowls in a row. Michigan has no right to talk shit about what Wisconsin has done in owning the Big Ten.
I wasn't talking "shit" about Wisconsin; I was simply stating I don't want Michigan to BE Wisconsin. With our resources, we SHOULD be better than Wisconsin. Three straight Rose Bowls mean nothing when you lose all of them.
All three Rose Bowls were down to the wire losses to top 5 teams. If a season ending in a Rose Bowl loss is so worthless, you obviously don't think very highly of Bo's legacy. That also makes 6 Rose Bowls in the BCS era. Wisconsin has a better winning percentage than Michigan since conference expansion.
What major resource advantage do you think Michigsn has that Wisconsin does not? Both programs are in the top 10 nationally in football revenue and expenditures. Both have state of the art facilities. Camp Randall and Wisconsin's game day atmosphere do not exactly take a back seat to anyone, something everyone in the country is aware of unless you've never left Southfield. Academic support, a topic that came up here this week? Since 2009 Wisconsin has 86 academic all conference selections. Michigan? 45.
I'll give you the February recruiting title, though. Somehow we survive with our 3 star players.
Michigan is an elite program for sure. Might be a good idea to get out more, though. With a single shared national title since 1948 and mediocrity for the last 7 years, I have no idea why you think you have a right to expect more than 3 straight Rose Bowls.
What's Michigan's claim to fame? Getting owned by USC in the Rose Bowl? I don't know what everyone around here is waiting for, that is what Michigan was the last time we "were back." Unless we're talking about success SIXTEEN YEARS ago. Which is ridiculous. We would laugh at Nebraska or Tenneseee or Virginia Tech fans talking about "man, when are we going to be restored to where we should be as national title contenders." Yet that's all we do here. Not everyone gets to go to the national championship, it's about time people here learn to live with that.
Yep, that Bo Schembechler was a pretty mediocre coach, going 2-8 in the Rose Bowl and losing three in a row in 77-78-79.
better than not winning a conference title in a decade...
Urbz will not let up off the pedal in a few weeks
So we're a Jabrill Peppers away from shutting out Indiana for a half right guys? Guyz?
Will help shut down IU and others, but he might need a Hand getting UM to elite defense status.
But but but our defense isn't that bad!
But you probably just forgot that.
Uhh...47 is a lot > 28
Also most yards given up in school history
And, uh, UM scored 63 which is a lot more than 42.
Michigan's defense is not even close to as good as msu's, but they should not be as bad as they have been at times this year.
Yes...and osu's defense was not very good last year. But it did improve over the course of the seaon. Something our team has not done.
Apparently you have forgotten that that was(and still is) an OSU defense loaded with Tressell recruits. Recruits who had years to play in that same system coached primarily by the same coaches. Meyer didn't change much, if anything, about OSU's defense.
Mattison meanwhile is playing freshman and sophomores mixed in with RichRod recruits. Is the defense where it needs to be? Nope. Mattison himself will say that. But UM is still young.
Btw, Mork third defense at MSU gave up 26 points per game and 380 yard per game. This froma guy who has the best defense in the Big Ten as we speak.
What freshman and sophomores are we starting on defense? I can't wait to hear this.
Nobody on the defensive line has improved at all this season. Don't you think that's a red flag?
But Wilson, Ross and Bolden all have started. Stribling isn't good and gets to play. Lewis will be good. Willie Henry plays a bit. Pipkins when he was healthy. I guess we do have some young guys sprinkled in. But not enough to say being 60th in Scoring Defense is acceptable.
playing pretty well considering his inexperience.
Look at UM's roster and then look at MSU's. You'll notice a significant difference in experience. You also have to note that UM's experience players are guys recruited largely by RichRod and GERG.
UM rotates so much that starting doesn't matter as much. Look at the two deep. It's filled with youth.
Anyways, Mattison knows what he is doing. Look at his track record. If this continues next year then yeah we have to start worrying. As I showed you before struggles in Year Three is not necessarily an indicator of future struggle. Look at Dantanio's third season on defense. It wasn't good.
Not really sure what to make of Michigan State going into this Nebraska game now.
He also forgot to mention that Coleman, he of the 985 rushing yards so far this year, is not playing for Indiana. Wouldn't want to let those details get in the way of his hate for Mattison.
It seems like more really, but Ohio State has only got 242 yards of offense in the first 20 minutes or so of regulation, but it is only on 24 plays - basically 10 yards per snap, which seems about right when you're playing Illinois.
Also, Nathan Scheelhaase will just have to work on altering time itself and somehow throwing before the snap is perceived. It might be the only way now.
I looked at OSU's 2014 schedule. The only games they could legitimately be challenged are maybe VaTech at home and Sparty in EL. They skip Wiscy and Neb. UM will be a sacrifice at home. I guess @ Minnesota is their 2nd toughest Big10 game. Or weak PSU. They have a real chance (excluding bowls) of going undefeated 3 seasons in a row. But no worries, we are just 1 recruiting class away from matching it.
years of rebuilding.
Why does everyone say this? It doesn't have to take 3 years, especially with the recruits that slap hands has brought in.
It does when you walk into the depth chart that he did. It took Dabo Swinney until year 4 to really get going. It took Mack Brown until year 4.
I was referring to the current situation. Not saying they should or will, but I don't think it would take a solid staff 3 years with the current personnel and recruits if Hoke was let go.
No it wouldn't because that new coaches would have Hoke's recruting classes not RichRod's epic disasters.
What about wiscy? They have a new coach, qb sucks and they still kick ass
They're the 3-time defending B1G champs. They also have more than nine people left over from their 2010 recruiting class. That helps.
And they aren't kicking ass. They have two losses. That's one less than UM.
You'll have to show a program that was in a similiar state to UM in 2011. Ohio and Bama were not since the previous staffs left players who were a) talented and b) who fit the system the new staff desired.
According to who? Alabama's classes before Saban got there were ranked #24, #49, #18, and #11.
They also signed 109 players over that 4 year period. Pretty sure that alone guarantees Saban never faced the depth issues Hoke did.
24th isn't bad either. The main difference, however, is that Shula ran a pro style offense, which is what Bama runs. That means Bama already had kids schooled in that type of offense. He didn't need to recruit different types OL, QBs, or WR to play what he wanted to run.
This is not a reason for retaining a coach. Once this becomes your only argument, you're already dead.
Were you not around for the End Of RichRod?
another year or two than RichRod did.
OSU has 4 new starters on the OL next year, none of whom have ever pushed for starting time in their careers. Of their 5 likely OL backups, 4 of them will be true sophomores or red-shirt freshmen. They also lose their first and second string running backs. It's probably 50/50 whether Braxton Miller leaves a year early or not.
Projecting them to be undefeated seems... premature.
He never lets facts get in the way of his arguments.
I'm willing to bet Urban will have them ready. Good coaches overcome their issues (see Saban and his line issues).
Exactly, Bama lost 3 or 4 of their OL 2 years ago and everyone said they will struggle, but they lost one game and go to win NC again in 2012
Sure, but going undefeated is hard, even against cruddy teams. If you have a 90% chance of winning each individual game, you've only got a 28% chance of winning 12 games. Getting his players to play well is fine, but I don't think it should automatically be assumed to translate to a greater than 90% of winning your average road game in the Big 10, or a home game agaist VT. If it was that easy, there would be way more undefeated teams at the end of the regular season every year than there are.
We were playing against a garbage big ten in the 70s and 80s and still managed to drop a game we shouldn't have every year.
UM's have not. The same for Meyer. Tressell ran spread at the end of his tenure so even Ohio did not have to make the same massive changes in recruiting that UM has had to.
That said, Funk has done a poor job and must be let go.
Yea thats what everyone said last spring that osu will never go undefeated again and here they are about to do it again
They also lose Kenny Guiton, so they'll no longer have injury insurance at QB even if Miller returns.
They've taken some good QBs the past two classes and Urban's system sets his players up to succeed.
Their defense is going to be loaded next year. Almost their entire DL is freshman, RS freshman, and sophomores. They have ordinary linebacking this year outside of 1 LB and the secondary has one relatively overrated guy named Roby - it is a very young defense that has made leaps and bounds from early September. But no worries, I am sure there will be tremendous drop off because they dont have a coaching staff who can develop players.
First off halff their starting D-Line are juniors. Yes they will likely be back, but stating they are freshmen and sophmores is false.
Oh and OSU 's defense improvement magically occured when they stopped playing teams with fuctioning offense. Shocking! What a coincidence.
Here is their 2 deep
- Noah Spence SO - starter
- Jamal Marcus SO - 2 deep
- Tommy Schutt SO - 2 deep
- Chris Carter RS SO - 2 deep
- Adolphus Washington SO - pushed out by Bosa it appears
- Joey Bosa FR - starter
Bosa, Washington, Schutt, Spence are prime time players doing big things already. They have 4 juniors, 2 who start at tackles. Backup Miller (DE), Hale and Bennett at tackles and Moore as another backup DE. No seniors. They will be loaded on the DL and its VERY youthful.
But half their starters on the d-line are juniors.
Also I don't know how any reasonable person can call those guys "prime time" players with the schedule OSU played. That is what is called hyperbole. Cal is awful and put up 34 on them.
Sadly they will be a lot better on the line then we are next year. OSU had a O line that everyone thought was going to be bad last year and they did great. Urban knows how to coach em up.
Something tells me Meyer won't consult Borges about game planning with a young and inexperienced OL. If I were a betting man, I'm guessing OSU continues to put up points next year because the B1G sucks and Meyer is an offensive guru.
Honestly I think Ron Zook is a better coach than Tim Beckman.
OMG ILLINOIS SCORED
I wish Borges would just watch some game tape on this OSU offense. We have an athletic QB surrounded by weapons. Why not introduce pistol read option with a quick screen pass as a counter out of that formation? I just don't get it man
We will run, run, run and set up a PA pass. Then when we get down by 2 scores we'll just keep running the PA and our QB will one day explode.
Or he could watch UCLA game tape - because they have a load of very young offensive lineman and find a way to be competent...
They also have a much, much better OL than we have.
And who is responsible for that?
Much better game. Kendall Fuller just made an incredible play and a single tear gently cascaded over my cheek.
I haven't seen any of Wisconsin-IU, but that 27-0 score is awfully impressive. As much as Bielema seemed like a meathead, he really raised Wisconsin to a high level (higher than they were under Alvarez), and they're still there.
Wisky had 323 yards rushing...in the 1st half alone. Thet have a great O line that just reloads every year and they have two explosive RBs. Very impressive.
its more likely that we run for -323 than +323.
I'm reminded of what Devin used to do, and I feel sad.
If Illinois can score we can too right? Right?
When have we ever been able to do anything with punts?
- T: Xavier Sua-Filo Class of 2009
- G: Scott Quessenberg Class of 2013
- C: Jake Brendel Class of 2011
- G: Alex Redmond Class of 2013
- T: Caleb Benenoch Class of 2013
41 pts vs Washington, 31 vs Arizona, 45 v Colorado, 14 and 10 vs Stanford and Oregon, 37 vs Cal, 34 v Utah, 41 vs common opponent Nebraska
But...but...but.... nothing can be accomplished against solid teams with freshman or RS freshman on your line! Borges told me.
Mr. Adrian Klemm, please come to Michigan.
We have played the whole "Find the one outlier in the whole country and draw questionable conclusions from it" game many times.
I get that you're MAD AND WON'T TAKE IT ANYMORE, but the reality is that most lines with an interior as young as ours are going to suck. It could be that Funk is coaching poorly and that's adding to the suckitude, but the fact that one team in the country can manage with a young OL tells us little.
No one is asking for a Wisconsin line. I am asking for top third MAC level OL at this point.
And Mr. Klemm apparently coaches the RBs as well so we can let Jackson retire, send Funk out, hire Klemm to take both spots and hire a full time DL coach so Hoke can concentrate on... well whatever he does.
He also just happens to forget the fact that UCLA has a future first round draft pick playing QB that helps there young o-line a lot. And if he had actually watched UCLA play at all this year he would know that while they have run the ball well Hundley has spent a lot of this year running for his life and getting clobbered.
but but but Devin was a potential 1st rounder who was going to leave early after this year (maybe) and on his way to a Heisman. Or maybe his coaching just is not letting him get to his potential.
Important question: Is Hundley running for his life in front of the line of scrimmage or behind? Inquiring minds want to know. I ask facetiously of course. They had a LB run for 4 TDs and 60 yards yesterday... seemed to be ok.
The have >2000 yards rushing to 1200 for UM. I think they are doing ok. But I am sure it's all because of the QB.
Don't waste your time. Battle lines have been drawn and now both sides have locked on their positions. There is literally NO result on the field that will get the "pro coaching staff" group to change Their mind this year
Maybe next year but not this season.
There is also no reasonable result that will get the "fire everyone" everything is terrible type to change their minds.
It doesn't matter. Nobody is going anywhere.
Sound and fury signifying nothing
What's funny is that this debate is not even about "do we have an elite coaching staff to match OSU"? It is "do we have a solid upper end coaching staff to match MSU and Wisconsin"? Hoke is safe I am sure. I do think if UM gets blown out at EL and Columbus next year the seat will be roaring hot in 12 months. And I do expect those 2 things to happen with our OL next year.
It will be a very interesting time for Brandon because 2015 is finally the year the OL will have depth and this should no longer be a meme, and the defense while suffering losses at LB in 2015 should be prime time. So if Hoke is canned the next coach walking in should be in a great position if Morris lives up to half the hype in 15. The question is will the alumni and donors be howling with what I think is going to happen in 2014... a 7-5ish record with major losses to our 2 key rivals.
Not bad. 12 plays and 75 yards and Illinois makes it a three touchdown game again. Illinois is getting about 4.4 yards per snap off on Ohio State's defense right now, which is only slightly lower than what Ohio State normally gives up. Then again, Illinois' offense - despite not being terribly dynamic - is showing occasional life.
Best game on now is Ohio State-Marquette hoops. Flip over to Fox to get a first impression of the Buckeye basketball team.
I'm watching VT-Maryland. It's a glorious 7-7 crapfest full of turnovers, missed field goals, and a punt return TD.
UCF could be blowing a BCS birth as they trail Temple 21-19 at the half. Yes other teams do play poorly against bad competition. This is same UCF team that nearly took out South Carolina.
THat conference has a locked in BCS berth which is pretty hilarious considering that when that was agreed to, probably 75% of the teams in the conference were not in it.
that half made the first half against IU look short
They let Purdue score 3 touchdowns!
There is no question who the second best team in the conference is. It's Wisconsin. They are firing on all cylinders right now and aside from one bad game (@Ohio) they've looked impressive all season. It may be a Wisconsin Auburn matchup in the Sugar Bowl and that would definitely be fun to watch and there's a reasonable chance that Wisconsin could pull it off.
Yep if not for those buffoon refs they'd have 1 loss, and to a top 3 team. Impressive not missing a single beat with the coaching turnover. You can say what you want about Bielema but the guy stocks cupboards. We shall see how they do in the next 2 years because for now the doubters will say new coach is doing it with someone else's players.
True, but Gary Andersen took over at Utah State when they were an EMU level of suck and went 11-2 in his fourth and final season there (and the two losses were by a combined 5 points). If he can maintain Wisconsin's usual level of recruiting he'll be just fine.
I agree. They don't seem to have missed a beat. I am giggling to self seeing some comments earlier inthe thread saying "You only want to aspire to Wisconsin? and its 3 Rose Bowls in a row*!?" and "Hoke did great his first year too". So much denial everywhere. It is like people are just reading stats and not watching any games with these teams in them and see the gulf....it's called the eye test.
Maybe Wiscy implodes in 2 years under Anderson, who knows but yes I'd be very happy to be Wisconsin right now and be 2nd fiddle in the Big 10 to OSU. It would be a massive improvement from current state and at least would take us back to the Carr/Tressel era. Matching OSU at this point is a 5 year battle cry at this point - we are many steps away.
MSU went 6-7 in Year Three of the Mork Era. His defense wasn't good that year either. In Year Four they won 11 games. Why can't UM do that?
UM will return a plethora of experience on both sides of the ball next year. They should be significantly better. Add to that the fact that MSU, ND, and OSU will be younger in spots and things could be different next year.
When will the Wisconsin head coach job emerge from the shadow of the Barry Alvarez days...
We'll find out if that's true in the Big Ten Championship game.
Wisconsin is definitely the clear #2 in the Big10, but the Sugar Bowl will probably have a choice of either Fresno or UCF. Wisconsin will not be an option.
Fuck wiscy and their bullshit, they are in the easiest league, we are same as osu and msu..will see how wiscy does when all these get rearranged
These early games are just awful. I don't have the BTN down here, so I'll have to follow the game on the mgoblog live event. I guess I can watch the NU vs MSU game. MSU will probably blow it. Any team that makes it to the B1G title game will get slaughtered!
Seeing Ohio and Wisky continue to dominate even with new coaches. They really have outstanding player development programs. Their players get better over the years. Not worse.
Cincy 38 - Rutgers 7. Maybe the Big 10 should have stayed within its footprint and brought in Cincy. Oops, its all about the tv market. nevermind.
Would've been a great #2 rival for Ohio.
Would've liked to see Mizzou over Rutgers as well. Great rival for Nebraska, Iowa and Illinois.
Watching functional O lines makes me sad. Wisky has a bunch of 3 star guys looking like a pro team. O line is by far IMO the hardest position to project for high school kids. Just so much growing to do yet.
They also 3 RS Juniors, a senior, and a RS sophmore starting. A bit of a different situation.
shh... dont let facts get in the way of a meme. Old line, young line. 2 pro tackles, it doesn't matter.
The facts would be that comparing a line that is on average about 2 years older at every position that Michigan's is incredibly stupid.
Wasn't someone posting about that vaunted and improving OSU defense with all this great depth. This will be the 6th time this year they have given up at least 3 TDs. 4 of those were against terrible offenses.
Nope the guy said Wisconsin had a nice line full of 3 stars coached up. You retorted with a response of how experienced Wiscy OL was. The guy said well then what is the excuse for the 2012 UM line which was experienced. You ignored that and returned to the youth of the 2013 line. So we are awaiting your response on the 2012 UM line vs Wiscy's 2013. Oh I know - RichRod couldnt recruit (despite UM >>>> Wiscy recruiting classes each and every year). Or it was was RichRod's fault that the 2012 line, with 2 years of the new coaching staff was sucky. Or - (insert other excuse).
The issue is the 2013 o-line. The 2012 o-line was not where this bad. Again you are seriously comparing a line full of basically juniors and seniors to Michigan's. Wow.
That is incontestable. The man hasn't done a good job here at Michigan.
Michigan may be the third worse team in the B1G. Even youth cannot explain this fact away. I think the gophers would beat us if we had a rematch.
So now we are going to games we won by 29 points and saying what we should have lost that???
Look at how we're playing now, and look at how they're playing now.
UM should have defeated both PSU and Nebraska. They were the better team in both games. If not for the catastrophically bad playcalling vs PSU and the equally catastrophically bad OL play vs Nebraska UM is sitting at 8-1.
It's because UM is talented that makes this team so infuriating.
If not for my aunt not having... That's how that all sounded
to jump FSU. IL scores again and are within 14 points. OSU wanted to win 70-0 to impress the pollsters.
Illinois is doing it by going extreme up tempo on offense. Think we'll try that?
Hey why not??? We have the 3rd highest paid OC in the country
as 51-14@ Clemson. Their lone chance to impress--MSU in the BTTG--is really not that impressive because MSU is not all that impressive of a team.
The Big Ten sucking helps and hurts OSU. It helps what is a good, but not great OSU team win every game and it hurts because no one really takes them seriously as a national title contender. Hell, Stanford might very well jump them.
The debate may be if Baylor will jump OSU. If MSU stumbles before the BIg10 title game Baylor probably jumps them if they win out. Even if MSU wins out Baylor may pass OSU.
Baylor should jump after the OSU game, and having a possibly ranked Texas at the end of the year should help. They of course have to actually beat those teams.
Wisconsin's defense having no problem with the same Indiana team that put up 600 yards of offense on us.
Watching football this year is nothing more than seeing teams succeed against us and do crap against everyone else.
Wisconsin is a better team. There is not disputing that. You also must consider that Indiana's star RB is out and they also put up 28 on MSU.
Lost in the last 2 week's debacles is the fact that our defense has not been very good this year. Decent against the run, but bad against the pass, and still almost no pressure on the QB. Borges is taking his heat, Mattison deserves a littl too IMO. Just not as good of a defense as we expected.
It's not lost so much, it's just that whenever someone brings up this point, they get crucified.
Well, recovering the fumble in the end zone was a sound idea except for the part where it resulted in a safety. Pretty sure that isn't what Bill Cubit had in mind.
UCF losing to Temple. This would be a terrible and devestating loss for UCF.
VT is somehow down 14 at home to an injury riddled Maryland. If Maryland ever gets even remotely healthy they might be decent.
My guide on Comcast had Kent vs Vandy listed as the game on 235 but they are showing the CMU vs WMU game. 27-22 Chips and Western is moving.
Why is Griese sucking up to Urban so much.
1) its his job
2) he is saying the truth, as much as we hate him, Meyer is a good coach
Why is this OSU game taking so fucking long?
Somewhere in Big Ten-land, Nebraska pats Indiana on the back and whispers, "It's okay, Hoosiers. Wisconsin does that sometimes. We know how you feel."
"But at least we beat Michigan in the Big House."
Giving up 29 to Illinois is definitely not going to help OSU in the polls.
VT is down 14-21 to Maryland but in the redzone and driving...
29-28 UCF takes the lead with about 6 min in the 4th qtr.
OSU's days as #3 should be over. They are by far the best team in The Big10, but that defense that some posters said improved and had prime time players has given up 35 to Illinois.
Wisconsin gave up 32 to Illinois, and they just eviscerated Indiana, so I'm not gonna hold it too much against them. Football's weird sometimes.
Yeah, but Ohio State also barely beat Northwestern and had a tough time against Iowa. Not #3.
Wisconsin is ranked #3 with a terrible schedule. Style points count and OSU will not be getting any for this performance.
Too late, but they're not going to COMPLETELY get blown out.
Does anyone honestly think OSU is a top 5 team - i.e., that they're better than Stanford, Baylor and Oregon? Hell, I don't know if they're even really a top 10 team. They've given up 36 so far today and will probably give up 30+ next week to Indiana next week. Don't be surprised if our offense comes alive against them as well. If our D comes to play, it's a winnable game.
...Michigan has a chance?
Illinois is keeping it close and respectable with OSU. Illinois is a 3-6 team. By that logic, we should be able to keep it close too, maybe even win it.
Sadly, why do I not even remotely believe that?
OSU not nearly as impressive as 90 minutes ago
UCF may lose.
Temple running around like Donovan F. McNabb and finds a TE wide open in the end zone to take the lead on UCF.
Doesn't it make you wish Michigan was even semi-competent? I mean, honestly - I would rather have Vandy's coach, or Duke's coach, or hell, even Temple's coach right now. I am sorry. We barely beat Akron. We barely beat UConn. There are so many who do so much with less - clearly less. We have to look elsewhere.
...driving and needs 7 to tie.
CATCH OF THE YEAR!!!
UCF game was amazing.
Did Nebraska blow it by not challenging the non-touchback call in the 3rd?
Looked like State player touched punt while he was in the end zone but ball was spotted at 1 yard line. Fumble on next play leads to spartan touchdown.
Am I missing something or did the Huskers blow a chance to challenge and win?
Check out Georgia AUburn. It is a crazy finish.
On MSU's fake field goal - the placeholder that ran the fake ...his knee was down when he caught the ball. Is that legal to run then??
No, because he's not a runner until he raises his knee up and starts running. Looks like Sparty is playing Ohio for the Big Ten Title. My worst nightmare. Will not watch or root for anyone.