before we head up to East Lansing. We need to start winning there again! I don't want to be out muscled bullied again by lil brother! Don't understand why our higher recruited lineman can't break into the starting unit. MSU OL in manhandling that fearsome ND DL? I don't get it!
Afternoon Games Open Thread
to the tune of 3.5 yards of rush. MSU's defensive line is good, but their o-line isn't dominating jack so far this year. Their o-line wasn't great last year either, they don't have Leveon Bell to bail them out somewhat this year though.
Caveat: transitive property doesn't apply in sports but it seems like we are all trying to draw conclusions on us with this game anyway so whatever.
MSU's defense is legit and tough. We pretty much knew this anyway.
Their offense is better than what it was but we did much better against the ND D then that are currently. Their D is stronger than ours and our O is better than theirs it just depends by what degree on GameDay.
They seem to be legitimate contenders in our division but it doesn't matter much because they will play us tough whether they are a 10-2, 11-1 type team or a 5-7, 6-6 type.
But I consider MSU an upper middle pack of the B1G. If they rough up our OL again it will be a tough game to win in EL! Hopefully our D can improve to match the more physical line play of the B1G!
LOLSparty stupid decision to pass
Oh yeah, interception plus double-penalties. Thats a Sparty No
Worst call in football. Halfback always throws it no matter what, usually into double-coverage.
Sparty's O line is doing a much better job of keeping Cook clean than ours did. I think they have 2TEs and the RB blocking though. So its apples to oranges - they want to make Cook beat them with his arm, and we can see, based on that last pick, that it is working.
Can't have much flesh left on their feet after all the shooting they're doing.
And Turnover Tommy strikes - but Sparty NOOO
I've never seen a more dirty team than staee.
Yeah......you can't do that MSU.
Nice to see MSU actually getting called for being overly-physical. They do this every game and tend to get away with it most of the time. Bout time it caught up to them
certain in the knowledge that the refs can't call them all.
he'd make an All-Pro cornerback.
We have one good starter and 2 with potentially a lot of upside!
Is quite possibly one of the most pathetic teams I have seen this year. They can't run the ball, they can't throw veritcal, they can't stop the rush or generate any pass rush, and their secondary blows coverages all day long. I took them as they were given 24 points, and I'm at a loss of words with how bad they are.
Wow. That's a bad call.
Wow ND must be paying these refs.
That one however, looked like a bad call.
The big time PI calls I've seen were not even close to PI including this one. If there have been more by Sparty then so be it but the calls close and near the redzone have been terrible calls on great defense.
You can't put your hands on the receiver 10+ yards downfield and not expect to be called. That one was good defense though.
Two in the first half. One in the endzone "in the corner" and the DB was called for I don't know what. Faceguarding (though not a penalty) even though he turned his head at the end. And another that was in a similar place as this one if I recall where there wasn't much contact beyond handsy play by BOTH players.
I know, not the best way to exemplfiy but those two I remember from the first half and remember them to be very bad calls.
Oh my God what are these referees calling on SParty!!! These are atrocious penalty calls. It's ruining the game.
I do think sparty had had some pass interference calls that were unjust. Also, we may have some trouble with them when we meet
all the other PI's have been legimate. That is the only one that looked like bad call.
if M doesn't play like a pack of pussies like against Akron, they'll probably be fine.
good lord, let it go.
I swear if M goes 11-1 and wins the Rose Bowl people are still going to crap on the season for the Akron game.
You have me mistaken. I wasn't pleased with last week but a W is a W. Could care less about how it's done. All i'm saying is if they wheel out a shithouse performance like that again, they'll lose to Staee.
It's in the EULA.
Are these ACC or B1G refs? Because they really blew that call.
BIG same crew we had for Akron looks like.
Well, at least we can say ACC and B1G refs call the game objectively (even if poorly). Now about those PAC refs .. .
Sparty getting robbed by the refs, if this happens to us I'd be pissed.
Mcdaniel might be their best back
ND clearly lining these zebras' pockets.
Who is Rees throwing to in the end zone on these red zone plays? I mean, he seems to find someone eventually, but still...
...and ND goes up 17-10 (PAT pending) on a nice little run by McDaniel. Once again, the end credit music for "Airplane!" can be heard in the background.
Irish officiating at its best. Outrageous.
it's bad when the ND announcers think calls are questionable
Boy, the officials don't respect the MSU secondary at all (and with some reason). I like it. Once you get a rep as a DB that can't cover without interfering, it's hard to shake it. I hope that continues when we play them.
I actually thought it was a good call. He pushed off and then tried to prevent him from jumping for the ball.
MSU has been holding handfuls of jersey all game in the secondary. You lose the benefit of the doubt after a while.
a good call, but I agree with your overall sentiment. MSU defensive backs are known for being overly physical, they are simply being called out on it by the officials in this game( who are a Big Ten crew). I find their bitching pretty funny in that context, though I do understand their frustration with that last call.
Don't mean this in a snarky way...But you're okay with that call going against Michigan DBs?
I am not. Recievers these days are able to touch and "push"/nudge and it's okay but when a DB happens to slightly do anything of that nature it's an automatic flag and I personally think it's lame. Like many things it'll differ from person to person on their interpretation of PI but I prefer the days of old (as if I was around then) when some contact was okay and recievers weren't gifted calls, as IMO they are today.
are probally given too much leeway nowadays, but the fact of the matter is that is how it is and teams are aware of it. No team can claim that their ignorant of that fact. MSU's dbs see that the refs are calling it tight today, but yet they foolishly keep on pressing the issue anyways. That is not on the refs, that is MSU rolling the dice at their own peril and not adjusting to the way the game is being called.
At Spartan Stadium? Don't count on it.
tough call on sparty there. Oh well
When ND's homer announcers are questioning the officiating, you know something must be terribly wrong.
This is bad for us. It's a B10 officiating crew. Dantonio will raise hell, justifiably. So now the crews will naturally back off.
Disagree. MSU has built up a reputation as a dirty team and now it's simply biting them in the ass. What is Dantonio going to do? Some of these calls are weak, yes, but his team's gotten away with a shitload of dirty crap in years past, and opposing teams can easily find tape of that.
are basically asking for it. When you play overly physical, as they do, you risk being called for PI's. Just because they get away with it most of the time, doesn't mean those aren't legimate, with the exception of that last one which was pure bullcrap.
Not sure what is so hard to understand. You get 5 yards to bump the receiver, past that you risk PI if you put your hands on the receiver.
At some point you have to adjust to officiating. They're not laying defensive backs play physical, bump, and grab coverage all the way down the field. MSU's players haven't seemed to figure it out.
games, MSU's defensive backs are allowed get it away with it. The refs in this game aren't having that, but yet MSU's defensive backs still keep on doing the same things over and over again.
Not gonna lie msu is getting boned by these pass interferences. If Michigan was in theur position I'd be pissed.
Queue, "I believe I can fly"
You saw that 2" vertical too then, right?
This is just an awful game. Neither team is doing anything particularly well--except drawing penalties.
Notre Dame has RAWK music like we do now?
They copied us like they did with the stadium.
That last PI may not have been the right call but I get it. He saw the db face the receiver and put a hand in the middle of the wr's chest. Sure he anticipated a push but he was blocked after that hand went to the chest.
This game has more penalties than a typical Lions game.
While Sparty is getting screwed by these calls, I'm not complaining. We've already beaten ND so I want them to look good and win out if at all possible. Plus, my hatred for ND is greatly outweighed by my hatred for MSU.
Really hoping to see a classic "Sparty NOO" type of ending to this game.
So I just sent a text to friend of mine who is a ND fan (who had a particularly annoying rant about the PI calls in the UM/ND game), "So the pass interference calls are legit this week, huh?" No reply.
This Rutgers Arkansas game is getting crazy!!
Love to see Ark go down.
Regardless of if Arkansas loses tonight, Bielema is in for a rude awakening when he plays LSU and Bama in the coming weeks.
ND is the worst 3rd and 1 team i have ever seen
You knw we ran for 4.3 a carry against them, right?
Kelly looking like he has a lot of good base make-up on today.
of a game--just what the doctor ordered. MSU will be no pushover, but this is the kind of result we were looking for, whoever wins.
Kelly does a great Lloyd Carr impersonation.
Spartans gonna spart
we know. Isn't a punch supposed to be a automatic ejection?
Edit: Did ND actually end up with the only penalty? They must not have seen the punch.
An official was right there -- can't believe he didn't throw a flag for the punch.
A MSU player threw a punch? Who woulda thunk it?
2 runs and then chuck it deep. Great playcalling.
So let's throw it 40 yards downfield to someone who's covered?
Rutgers now leading Razorbacks - sheesh
Why pass there? Run for the three, and if you don't get it, leave Sparty with less clock/one less timeout...
Gary "Aldo" Nova with three TD passes for Rutgers so far.
I expect an almost identical game when MSU plays UM. Low scoring, they will concentrate on Gallon and whoever the TE and will gash us some on our defense with the run game especially. Hill and Langford are just as good if not better than these the MAC RBs and ND does not have a special RB either. It will come down to Cook v Devin of course as it always does but they have a stout defense and will get away with some of the PIs at home. MSU has a very good rush defense, so we will be 1 dimensional on offense. Devin might follow the ND game plan except our TEs are probably going to be more involved.
I concur - our game against MSU is gonna suck like this one.
Future Big Ten member Rutgers about to beat the mighty SEC!
Beilema or Broleima.
Beat BB. Essentially beat the B1G.
My eyes are bleeding watching this.
if you ask me. Field position is critical, good defenses. Will come down to the end
ND favored by ~5 at gametime.
Arkansas goes down to Rutgers!
What the hell. Run, run, throw a 30-yard pass. What the hell are they doing?
Tommy Rees is terrible today. You wanna throw the ball away youre better off taking a knee if you have nothing and eating some clock
Also, you were better off taking a knee than throwing it out of bounds, run the clock at least (or force MSU to use a timeout). Seriously, what are you doing, ND offense?
I'm going to count Rutgers' win over Arkansas as half a win for the B1G. B1G needs all the help they can get this year.
With MSU's quick strike offense - this should be an exciting 2 minutes.
What the hell. A new QB in the last 2 min of the game.
Andrew Maxwell sighting!
Cook looks pissed.
Cook must be injured. Otherwise makes no sense.
Two high throws later...3rd and 10.
This game is a mess.
Rutgers trying to pull a Michigan vs Northwestern 2000.. Thankfully held on to the ball
They put Maxwell in for the final drive??????
Connor Cook doesn't look injured. It must be a coaches decision.
Sack on third down, saved by a delay of game penalty. And then a false start penalty.
MY EYES ARE BLEEDING.
even if you don't like MSU
Self-destruct mode in full effect now.
Rutgers gets the first to seal the come from behind victory against Arkansas. Good game.
Time for a chaos punt!
forgot to take his metamucil today...gotta stay regular bro
Somewhere John L Smith is either laughing or slapping himself.
HAHAHAHAHA. 4th and 20. Let's scramble for 3 yards.
Did he think he was scrambling for 20????
RUN on 4th and 20? SPARTY NO
at its finest.
Welp - Dantonio and crew are going to get pilloried if Cook wasn't hurt.
Consider my mind officially bottled after watching that series.
Why did he ever start?
Lololol it doesn't get much worse than that for a final drive.
He ran it on 4th and 20 and went out of bounds.... HALOL SPARTY NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Wow what do you have to be thinking to do that, Maxwell?
So, this drive has been productive for the Spartans....and not throwing the football on a 4th and long attempt really doesn't help you here.
Funny stat? Michigan State has now actually outgained the Irish here, but yeah, some horrifically inefficient drives as well as being jobbed on a call here and there hasn't been helpful.
Fire Dantonio, promote Narduzzi, hire a decent OC that Narduzi will leave alone. Prosper.
Sparty with the textbook example of how not to execute a two minute drill. Tough after some questionable calls but with the game on the line you have to be disciplined.
DON'T PASS THE BALL. AT ALL.
Funny thing is, if one of teh 3rd down plays on the past 2 series was a run to burn clock, ND would have won already.
Game over - phugly
I hope Maxwell is named the starter for the rest of the season.
What was the penalty? Taunting?
just for the sheer anger, I'd love it if ND tacks on another TD here.
That's a dumb penalty. But Dantonio with the evil stares.
Couldnt' watch the MSU-ND game. Did the defenses look really good, or were the offenses just inept? Or both?
Very inept offenses
Sheesh. Less than 500 total yards combined. Denard put up more than that himself against ND.
Little of both. But I thought defenses looked good.
ND - 4.2 YPA; 2.4 YPC
MSU - 3.8 YPA; 3.4 YPC
The zombification of Dantonio is nigh!
Typical Sparty nooo, all game. Also, no fucking clue what maxwell was doing, especially on 4th
Florida loses Driskel for the season with an ankle injury.
Did anyone catch Sparty trying to rip off McDaniel's helmet after the play on his second to last run?
Rutgers 3-1 with a win over Arkansas and their loss to a Fresno St. team that looks like it may go undefeated and has a QB who will be an NFL draft choice.
Maryland 4-0 after demolishing West Virgina.
of those schools on this board the last two years. Why can't they be good? No reason at all. Prediction: Rutgers kicks our ass at least once in the next five years.
No way. This is Michigan, son.
Soooo no injury for Cook...? What were they thinking?
You can't bring in Maxwell if nothing was wrong with Cook. East Lansing is gonna torch Dantonio.
I'm not agreeing with the decision, but it's not like Cook was lighting it up. He's not much of a thrower, and for of Maxwell's flaws he does have a decent arm. I also don't buy that Cook wasn't hurt; that looked like a bad crunch he took on the last throw. Even if it wasn't long-term injury, a weakened Cook isn't better than Maxwell.
After going 90% of the game with Cook, to make a QB switch on the last drive was a disservice to both Maxwell and Cook. Maxwell was standing on the sidelines the whole game...he clearly looked like he had been 4 plays later. Running on a 4th and 20 - even if you are Denard Robinson - is a terrible decision, clearly Maxwell wasn't ready for the moment at all. To me, it's on the coaches. Cook wasn't stellar, but at that point it was his game to win or lose for you.
If I were a Sparty fan, I'd be pretty upset with the switch to Maxwell at the end, of course assuming Cook was not injured.
Check that, if I were a Sparty fan, I'd be bitching about the refs losing us the game or something.
Take a quick look at RCMB right now - not pretty.
Maxwell is the closer and Cook's attempts were high so unfortunately had to shut him down for the day.
What tweets did i miss where she has drawn such intense pushback?
"Karma" after wiscy was screwed against ASU. That pissed off a lot of Wiscy fans. Now, her bro husband lost. It's just natural.
BTW, she is hot.
I love Arkansas upcoming schedule: Texas A & M, Florida, Gamecocks, Bama
Get tweeted a lot in the next de weeks.
averaging about 4 yards a completion, I don't think it would have mattered one or another. He looks a little better than Maxwell so far, but that isn't saying much. QB is definatly not the only issue on MSU's offense.
The Rutgers win is not a total surprise. They beat Arkansas when they played there a few years ago.
was just AWFUL. That was a classic Sparty Noooo meltdown. Multiple penalties, then Maxwell doesn't even throw the ball in the air to give his team a chance, he just scrambles!? Sparty gonna Spart.
it was all about what a great true rivalry is MSU v ND. Not so much about that now.
Alabama just made their first third down conversion. That is with less than three minutes to go in the game.