ND looked like a top 10 team last night. But, even still, their secondary is their achilles heel. You'd better believe ND is going to sell out to stop Denard from running, so hopefully we'll be able to exploit their secondary.
After Tonight: More Wary of ND or Less Wary of MSU?
Have the passing game to do that?
I think we do, yes. But, as Magnus has been pointing out, Denard still has the same bad habits- mostly his footwoork. If they pressure Denard like they did Maxwell, we could be in big trouble.
I'll be surprised if they blitz Denard as much as they did Maxwell. That's not the usual plan of action against a mobile QB. I think they will follow more of the Alabama plan and try to take away his running lanes while leaving him time in the pocket.
As for ND being a top 10 -caliber team . . . I don't know. Gholson is a freshman and made his share of questionable decisions last night, and really, aside from one drive in the 4th quarter, their run game was pretty nonexistant. They've also got a totally new secondary which hasn't yet been tested this season.
Passing game has looked pretty solid the last two weeks without future all-pro corners. It certainly isn't one of the best in the nation, but it should be enough to punish mortal teams that cheat to stop the run.
The way our oline and dline looks, I am still very concerned we will get beat bad against both...unless Denard goes off...have to improve enormously.
For a loss to ND, IMO. We even beat them whe RR was coach. Yesterday showed that M has the tools and talent to beat ND, but M will have to play free of errors and interceptions (and batted down passes). Denard looked to me as if he had a lot of time to pass on many plays, especially later in the game. Our receivers need to get more separation. That being said, we are overdue for a win against MSU.
Stop being such big bad bullies ND...You could at least let Sparty score 1 TD.
I'm concerned about both. Despite winning this game by 50 points, there are major concerns on both sides of the ball (mainly the OL and DL).
I said..but I'm a flamebait...we have serious concerns up front, why people doubt that is beyond me...listen to Hoke. Both games make me nervous.
I think I'm both more scared of ND and less scared of MSU now at the same time. With Alabama, they had tremendous pressure from the front seven, and when Denard tried to exploit it, he was throwing at a secondary full of fucklions. With ND, he may face similar pressure from the front seven, but will be throwing at a secondary which has true freshmen in it. At this point, I sadly thing ND is a loss lean.
WRT Sparty, I think we have something similar. Dennard has looked someone vulnerable for the Spartans, as against Boise he was beaten deep on several occasions only to have bad passes save him. Also, Sparty does not seem to have much of an offense outside of Bell.
Ultimately, I think both games fall on Denard's arm. If he passes well, they are winnable. If he doesn't, I don't see us getting much push in the run game. Luckily for the MSU game, we have time to get both of our lines gelling for another month.
Man, I am getting so tired of being negged for no good reason.
Whoever the a##hole(s) is/are who keep negging my posts, please sack up and respond to this post (not with an anonymous neg, but an acutal reply so we can "duke it out" internet style).
I would like to propose a slight change to the moderation system. Whenever someone chooses a negative moderation option, they should have to include a comment along with the neg selection (the selection of a "neg" should result in a popup box where the person's poster ID is shown as a reply to the person they are negging). Whenever someone votes on a post made by the starter of a thread, the id's of the voters shows up. This at least forces people to "own" their opinions somewhat.
This cowardly bullsh*t of negging people you don't like is just getting ridiculous.
My post complaining about cowardly negging....gets negged...without comment!
I'm going to make a lot of posters on this board happy and just stop posting because this place is really starting to tick me off.
Reason: This reaction and this reaction alone.
1. Points don't count.
2. There is an option to view all posts regardless of whether or not they have been negged.
3. Whining about negs/points makes you look like a 4th grade girl.
From this point forward, I will neg every single one of your posts. (Until I forget in about 4 hours)
Didn't you have like 4,000,000 Mgopoints once? I only ask because I have seen many Mgobloggers with a ton of points one day and then the next they're down to 300 or something.
I've had temporary large gains and some major, major, major deductions.
Which reminds me: Has anyone seen Irish lately?
To my knowledge, it is the first time. Sadly, there is not yet a "Whiney" option on the moderation tree.
Does anyone know if you can buy the Michigan under armour with the words on the sleeves? If so please let me know.
Others have referenced it, but each game is completely different in CFB. What was apparent last night despite our troubling wows on D-line and hit or miss feel of the O-Line; no one on that field last night is as dynamic as one Denard Robinson. Not saying we grade out great man-for-man against Lame (no typo; don't care it's a weak jibe), but D-Rob changes the way people do things. And if he is sharp - which he seems to be especially against ND at some point in the game - our chances are better than even. Last night's game was a bruiser too; ND is going to have to re-up that enthusiasm at home.
Plus I just really hate Notre Dame and can rationalize beating them even in a coma.
All I know is that Michigan will score a lot more than three points against ND.
Also, Purdue was a trap game for ND, and they also flew back from Ireland the week before.
Sparty is overrated, and proved it last night. They've still got some very good athletes on defense, but their offense is not very good yet, and they aren't as good on either side of the ball as they were last year. As for ND, they are in their third year of a total overhaul and change to the spread. ND has plenty of athletes, and they can obviously play some very good defense there.
I'm more "scared" of ND at this point. Then again, they didn't exactly look like a quality team against Purdue. I know "comparables" don't ever work, but one could make a good case that MSU is no better than Purdue and ND is slightly better than Purdue.
At any rate, we don't have long before we find out everything we need to know about this year's model of ND.
Purdue 2012 >> Purdue 2011
They do not look like an easy out this year.
It looks pretty clear that Purdue is a solid team and they could be a major headache this year, especially with that d line.
Good question! MSU showed their flaws with a passing attack that needs significant improvement, but i still thought the MSU D flashed often in the game. Here is to hoping that passing attack continues to be slow developing. ND on the other hand surprised me with their running attack. Woods looked great. We knew their D would play athletic, but we figured they would struggle to find a consistent balance on O. Right now I find myself anxious for next week.
NDs game plan against State was similar to State's last 2 game plan against us: Stop the one dimension. It worked.
Denard has to hit his receivers in the face of the blitz. If he succeeds, the blitz will cease and we can use all our tools in the tool box. If he fails, he'll be the only tool, and he can't beat State by himself.
It seems to me that neither MSU nor ND are unbeatable. The question will be whether or not Michigan can straighten out the issues that are lingering on both lines.
ND beats us, and perhaps it is not too close.
We beat MSU, and perhaps it is not too close.
Before the season I said we lose to Alabama, ND and OSU...we beat MSU, win the B1G Championship Game and win the Rose Bowl.
I still think that happens, but hopefully I'm wrong about ND and OSU and we can beat all of our rivals this year.
Both our lines are pretty suspect so I am worried about both games. ND's D-line looked very strong as did Sparty's. Both are tough outs and could swing on momentum. We have a decent start in both, I think we are ok. We have a few 3 & outs to start the game, we are in BIG trouble.
I don't think ND will be able to be that dominate defensively against us. They were very aggressive getting after Maxwell because they didn't fear his running ability. That would be a recipe for disaster with Denard. Sparty's recievers were absolutely blanketed all night. Not sure if that's a function of ND's secondary or MSU's lack of dynamic talent at reciever. I have a feeling it's the latter, which bodes well for us in both games. Both games will be slug fests though, I think we'd be lucky to split them.
root for MSU. I'm actually very happy ND won.
...for a giant chasm to open up under Spartan Stadium and swallow both teams whole. Screw both those schools.
Sort of Batmanesque yes?
As I've said previously (and I'm sure others as well), the game plan vs. ND is similar to Alabama - Denard throwing the ball. He'll run more vs. the opener, but we win with his arm. And yesterday was very encouraging re. this. Also, ND youth in the secondary.
The Funchess TD was a simple QB Oh Noes, but to a TE on the line. If ND sends their LBs agrresively to stop Denard/Fitz, that play will be open all day. Sims was open on it yesterday. Also, the Jerald Robinson pass in the end zone was dead on by Denard - he just turned his head the wrong way, inexplicably (he needs to decide if he ever wants to make a play here).
If MSU can't play better than that, they're going to lose several more farily soon this year. If Maxwell starts making some bad decisions on the road, they could be in trouble. But Bell probably gets it going again, and it should be a dogfight at home. Their D is still outstanding, but can't say how excited I am with Gardner, Funcess, and Gallon (bubble!) as weapons - we should be able to score enough and play keep away.
I hate to say it, but I think we lose to ND. We haven't been able to stop the run all year and ND looks good with their two-headed rushing attack. I initially thought we'd have Funchess all day given how open the MSU tight end was but I realized they won't be selling out to stop the run against us.
I think MSU is a coin flip. They will run the ball all day and control the clock. Maybe we will be able to stop the run by then, maybe not.
If they don't sell out to stop the run, we will have success on the ground.
MSU doesn't have a Hawaiian wall in the middle of their defense
Not sure how that's germane to the point being made, but Bullough is as good a MLB against the run as you're going to see. He's not as sideline-to-sideline as Teo', but he's a good if not better up the gut.
just realized what I wrote made no sense. Guess that's what happens when you are doing multiple things and occasionally checking back on the blog.
I was trying to say that I think ND's front seven looks very good and they should be able to stop our rushing attack without safety help. It's yet to be seen whether we can sustain scoring drives through the air.
I wouldn't say, "it's yet to be seen..." I think we've seen that Denard's passing has improved significantly, that the OL's strength is pass blocking, and that the Two Devins are legit threats. I say pass early and often. At the very least it gives Denard the chance to make plays with his legs if the opposing defense is bent upon taking away the QB run -- which we know they're going to do. I'd like to see every play from the opening of the game give Denard a run/pass option. Make the defense pay for putting their inexperienced DB's on an island, and play to the strength of our OL. Borges has seen what the OL can do well, and what they struggle with. Now is the time to scheme for that, not what you HOPE they'll turn into, but what you KNOW they do well. Give Fitz the ball on passes if we cannot run the read option like we did last year, get him in space away from the opposition's DL.
I am very excited to see Borges be really creative against ND.
...Michigan played the Domers this late in the season? Having three games under their belt already against a superior opponent in Alabama, two ground-based offenses in the AFA and UMass (who apparently runs ND's variation of the spread offense) SHOULD give Michigan the experience needed to avoid the usual early-season mistakes that have been ever-so-prone to historically cost them wins against the Irish when they were the first or second game scheduled in previous years.
Having said that, the Irish looked awfully good last night. This will be the third time they're playing Denard and they've got A LOT of seniors on defense. Golson is a first-year QB, but he's also a dual threat and Michigan's defense still doesn't do well against a QB that can tuck the ball and run. Plus they're in the third year playing the same schemes, yadda, yadda, yadda,,,
Not as optimistic as I was before the kick-off last night. Notre Dame isn't in Alabama's league (neither, apparently, is USC), but the margin of error is narrow enough that Michigan will need to play a mistake-free game to get the win...no pick-6's or turnovers on the M side of the field, please.
Notre Dame can be had through the air. Michigan can beat both teams if it can put together a productive passing game.
The two losses last year, Michigan was one dimensional which allowed Iowa and State to simply overload the box.
Virginia Tech was an outlier that was the same as those games save a couple big plays.
Everyone needs to be patient with the play selection against both teams because running Denard a lot right from the jump won't get it done offensively. Neither team will let Denard beat them with his feet.
I never thought MSU should be the number 10 team in the country. ND just exposed them as being number 25 or something.
The key to next week game will be our offense and if Robinson can throw the ball. If he can we have a chance of winning, if not it could be a long night.
I had this game at ND as one of our 3 to 4 losses. I hope it is close and we win at the end.
I think we can take MSU at home! I have this as a win!
Purdue will be tough, this could be one of our 2 conferences losses.
I still think we will win the legends division.
There is only one truly great team in college football this year......
and we scored 14 points on them, the only touchdowns they have given up this year.
These two teams look beatable, but college football is all on a week to week basis, anything can happen. i have a feeling we will be able to score points without a problem, It will come down to defense and turnovers, just like pretty much every game ever.
It's hard to say how we would match up based on their performances against each other beacuse what we will try to do to the opposing defense is different from what each tried to do to each other...did that make any sense? Anyways, ultimately I think both will give us some trouble because it will be hard to run the ball agianst their front 7. So, we should have more success throwing against ND, but that's not really our forte. On the other side, it's unlikely we will be able to slow MSU's running game the way ND did because our front 7 isn't not as good.
Unfortunately, I think we lose both games. We have the ability to win if we play well and get turnovers, make plays on special teams, are effecient on 3rd downs etc. But, all in all both teams are equipped to give us trouble by stopping our running game. I think MSU will give us more trouble because in addition to stopping our run game they will run the ball on us fairly easily which will be difficult to overcome that combo. Let's hope for a special performance from D-rob and maybe some big plays down the field from the Devins or a big Norfleet return to get us going.
Keys against MSU will be Funchess and Gallon. Notice how Well Toma did against them. Secondly Gardner and scheme will have to control blitzes by Adams. Finally we will have to profit with the run in the second half. On defense we will have to limit severely yards after contact with Bell. If he is draging guys then falling forwards we will lose.
MSU was way, way overrated at #10.