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Please do not procreate
EDIT: Troll was caved - Sopwith keep up the good fight.
This year we have become theBig East. Anyone can win this conference now. It's not beyond reason to see a Northwestern Purdue BTCG matchup. Who woulda guessed that?
At this point purdue vs nw in BIG championship wouldnt really suprise me
And it might actually be a match up of the two legitimately best teams.
could go anywhere from 8-0 winning the Big Ten Title game, to 1-7 with a lone win over Illinois.
Feels like every Big Ten game will be a battle like tonight where we should have a chance to win. Unfortunately that includes games like Northwestern/Minnesota/Iowa/Purdue games that shouldn't be close but probably will. Make too many mistakes and we lose, protect the ball we win.
Also it wouldn't hurt if our D created a fumble or two between now and late November. K-thanks
I don't see 8-0 being that likely, however it seems much more likely than 1-7.
We have 6 turnovers against ND and lost by a touchdown. I don't see any way we lose to any of Illinois, Iowa or Minnesota. Those are bad, bad football teams. Purdue is a much better team and shouldn't be lumped in that group.
Ermahgerd! Deja vu. I've seen thu thread in my dreams.
Well that means we win the B1G. We go to the rose bowl. We beat UCLA of all teams. I go to the game.
Why would this game change any expectations? After the bama game i think we came back to earth a little and this game was really meaningless in the big picture. We can still win the BIG championship. Who impressed this week minnesota beating cuse, MSU sqeaking by a terrible EMU team, or Iowa choking late in the game and the Illini getting blown out by louisiana fucking tech We dont play Wisconsin or PSU (who by the way is looking best in the leaders thus far) We can beat nw, illinois, minnesota, purdue, iowa. Getting a win agianst nebraska or MSU and then beating OHIO puts us at 7-1 maybe 6-2. I think that gives us the division chamionship Still a long way but my expectaitons havent changed one bit after this game!!
If Denard's decision making/ accuracy dont improve, we could be looking 7-5 in the eye, easily... That's a reality that may have to be faced....
Guessing 8-4, hoping for 10-2/9-3, and fearing 7-5 6-6
There are no gimmies left on the schedule. One thing I'm clinging too is 6 turnovers and 13 points. The D might be coming around.
I don't think this team is very good but I don't think there are any sure losses ahead either.
Hell I don't know, I just want to beat Purdue right now and I wish the game was Monday night.
No, be thankful we have a bye. After a game like this, going into West Lafayette has got trap game written all over it.
To answer the OP's question, I don't think you adjust expectations just yet based on the results of the OOC schedule. Just based on many discussions that took place here in August, an estimate of 2-2 in the OOC schedule should probably not shock anyone now as it turns out to be dead on.
Having now seen the games, of course, we note that Alabama is simply on a different plane and we are still responsible for the lion's share of the offense allowed by them to date this season. I'll take that.
Air Force and UMass were almost universally chalked up as wins, and we handled business against an unorthodox offense and a baby seal. Again, I'll take that.
Notre Dame was definitely winnable, but turnovers in the red zone killed it (if we get two of those throws back, it's a different game perhaps - in all other respects, we were competitive in this game), but again, it was going to be tough anyway, and if you want a bright spot, the defense kept that game in control - we lost by one score, so no, despite what people said in the liveblog, it's definitely 2012. Based on historic numbers, that turnover margin in one game is an aberration, an outlier, and it is unlikely that it happens again, so take comfort in that.
The way that several of the folks in our conference schedule have played, looking at their stats, a cumulative record 9-3 is still definitely within the realm of possibilities. The Big Ten really is up for grabs right now, both divisions are wide open. Two of the teams that perhaps people would have said "lean loss" to in August - MSU and Ohio - look very beatable now, and Nebraska at home will be tough but if we can muster the same rushing performance as last night sans turnovers, their inability to do stop UCLA (whom I think we're better than, especially on defense) on the ground a couple weeks ago may be telling.
I do and I know like 300 other people who do.
Stop drinking, go to bed, and never come back to this blog.
No - mine are the same this morning as they were before the season started. I expected, given our brutal road schedule, we'd lose 3 out of 4 of the "big games" and so far we're 0-2. I expected, given our relatively soft home schedule we'd run the table and so far we're 2-0.
To put things in a bit of perspective in 1988 we started 0-2 losing to (you guessed it) Notre Dame on the road and then a complete heartbreaker to Miami (YTM) at home. And then we went undefeated the rest of the season (had a tie at Iowa), won the Rose Bowl and finished ranked 4th in the country. Can anybody look at our remaining games and honestly say "that one's unwinnable?" Beating both Nebraska and OSU on the read will be a challenge but not an insurmountable one.
In the words of the imortal JLS....."Smile". We lost a game guys where our best player had the worst game of his life and we still had a shot to win at the end.
10-3. Thought it before the season started....still think it now.
TWIS bait: Quoting JLS.
My problem is with this coaching staff just having the expectation of winning the BIG. It is like we are entering the Carr years all over again. Personally I hated the fact that we went 9-3 what seemed like almost every year. Yes he won a national championship, but he also underachieved with the same attitude of lets just win the BIG. Do you suppose Alabama has a goal of just winning the SEC every year? That used to be Bo's goal, college football has changed I really do like coach Hoke, but for god sakes put on a set of head phones and set your goals higher. His coaching style scares me and makes me think that the Carr years are returning.
So are you suggesting that by having the goal to win the B1G they somehow don't want to win the out of conference games as much? I cant imagine them trying any harder then they did to beat Alabama (vastly superior team) and ND (our best player had his worst game....it happens). If we did something that made you think we were holding back some super-secret weapon to unleash it on the unsuspecting B1G then by all means share cause I'd love to know what that might be.
And I'm not sure how wearing headsets correlates into higher goal setting. Does the lack of communication with the assistants during playcalls denote lack of goals? I read it as confidence in their abilities and his desire to connect with the players and not be "in a bubble" so to speak.
I have a hard time believing Hoke doesn't want to win national titles. I agree in that it's a bit of an old-school approach to college football, but I guarantee Hoke wants to beat the likes of Alabama and Notre Dame just as bad as he wants to beat Purdue or Nebraska.
I don't need to adjust my expectations because we are exactly where I thought we'd be. (I do need to adjust my expectations about how ugly it would look getting there.)
I thought we would lose to Alabama and ND, although a little more aesthetically. I also think we beat State but lose to one of Nebraska/OSU. We also lose, unfortuantely, to a middle of the pack team that we shouldn't lose to. It is still enough to get to the B1G Championship Game.
The Nebraska game looks scary . . . another hyped-up night game in an intimidating setting against a proud opponent looking for redemption, where Denard has all day to sit around and get overly geeked up. Not our best moment.
I started out the season thinking 14-0, and now I'm hovering at around 12-2.
You should be an Economist.
At 8-4. And in the expectation that we get Sparty this year.
up to 9-3 now.
I still sit at 7-5.....The Denard/Borges combo scares me greatly. It helped a lot last year with thge D creating TO's at a possible abnormal rate.
If those TO's aren't being created we have to be that much better on offense and with the oil/water combo our OC/QB have it might be a long up and down frustrating season with us leaving a lot of points on the field.
I expected 2-2 after the non-conference and a 6-2 conference schedule. Unfortunately, we are right on pace.
They are kids, and will probably lose one more game they shouldn't. But that being said, we should be the better team on the field in the rest of our games, or at the very least... competitive in every game.
Win the B1G.
I'd expect to finish 8-4 or 7-5. All of the Big Ten teams are pretty equal. There will be a lot of 4 and 5 loss teams.
If we go 7-5 or 8-4, so be it, as long as we beat MSU and Ohio.
Michigan could run the table in the B1G and finish 10-2 again. However, we will probably have more mistake filled games. As a realist, I'm sticking with my original projection of 8-4 with two conference losses. Worse case will be 6-6 or 7-5!
Considering how terrible the B1G is overall, I still expect a B1G championship. Sadly, I just don't expect much out of their bowl game.
I feel much better about our chances of winning the B1G now than I did at Week 0. The B1G has been so bad over the first four weeks that I'll be downright disappointed if we don't win it now
I was at 8-4 with losses to Alabama, ND, Nebraska, and OSU. I think 6-6 is just as likely as 10-2.
One note of patience: in 1969 after 5 games we were 3-2, with a blowout loss to Missouri 40-17 (at home, no less), and an unimpressive loss to MSU at EL, 23-12. At that point in the season, not very many people were thinking we'd be undefeated the rest of the way with a convincing win over the alleged best college team of all time.
I'll stay the same as before the year.
Best case was 10-2
Worst case was 7-5
Most likely was 8-4 or 9-3, sticking with this.
win that and we have good chance to go to the B1G champ and a quality season. Lose and it could be a really long crappy season.
The fact Denard cannot pass well when the pressure is on I don't think we should expect much vs MSU. Bright side: I doubt this turnover performance will be repeated this year.
My answer: This team is better than what i thought we would be. I figured 2-2 with losses to who we lost to, but expected ND to own us, and we actually outplayed them outside of a few plays. This team is better than i thought they would be.
We are no worse than the 2nd best team in the Big Ten. I thought we would be the 4th best team in the Big Ten this year.
Other than that, nothing's changed.
win the "Bo" Division.
Purdue: Great DT's thank God we have a bye week to prepare, they have Marshall this week.
Illinois: I haven't watched them at all but it doesn’t sound good with the QB situation. Next two games are PSU and Wis.
MSU: Keep running Bell into the ground please. OSU/IND/IOWA next three weeks
Nebraska: Not a good week to take on NEB in Lincoln after MSU (It's a trap!). WIS/OSU/NU before playing UM.
Minnesota: No clue. IOWA/NU/WIS/PUR.
NU: 107th in passing yards. IND/PSU/MIN/NEB/IOWA
IOWA: yea, this ones at home.
OSU: Urban is trying to keep Millers rushing numbers down with his game plan vs. UAB and their D is suspect as of now.
The only game to me that seems rough would be Nebraska coming off the MSU game. Hope everyone stays healthy and UM can clean up the turnovers.
Michigan struggles badly against teams with rough tough defenses.
So I'll go with 10-2 down from 11-1 in the regular season. Win the BTCG and go to the rose bowl where Denard and the other seniors win their last game in a winged helmet.
Some of these will be ugly games, but every one is winnable.
I am an OSU fan from TX, and enjoyed talking football with a lot of great UM fans a few weeks ago for the Labor Day kick off game.
I am really stunned at how weak OSU's defense has become - and am equally stunned at the production decline from UM.
Look, no one is going to beat Alabama; however, the performance of our two teams and the B1G overall is really hard to analyze. OSU is struggling with weak teams and cannot stop anyone. Their D was solid for a decade and I don't get Fickell and Vrabell and their scheme.
UM is in transition to the style of offense I think OSU should stick with (Bo: FB, TE in a 3-pt stance ...) and I get that; however, Denard is Denard, and he is not being put in positions to make him as multi-dimensional as he should be.
Both OSU and UM have good recruiting classes and the future should - should - be bright. But right now, Hoke and Meyer as solid as they are, I don't see the B1G competing with the SEC. Shane Morris is going to be solid, and UM is going to be good. OSU will be good. I just don't see the two schools or the B1G winning the NC until Saban retires.
I think UM and OSU will be competitive for the next decade in the B1G. Don't see a NC unless something drastic happens like changes to oversigning. The economy is not coming back in a big way ever again to the MidWest, and the recruiting bases will have to compete in the South and the West and those 5* players will stay home and we can plan on developing 4* talent and playing our asses off. It is a different decade ...
Which brings me back to my opening line - having grown up in the NE/ MW/ B1G country and having lived in TX since the 90's, there is a solid population shift, and the base for our two schools is shifting and that will make it tough to win the NC. Being competitive is one thing - playing for a legitimate NC title is something else...
Eager to hear from UM fans...
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