Adidas Jersey Issues! UPDATED & EDITED
I think I'll wait for the explanation until I grab my pitchfork and torch.
Adidas was the brand I grew up with playing soccer and I've never had any issues with quality. In fact, the copa mundial shoe is widely known as the best and most durable shoe out there for soccer. I have 4 pairs of them and they are all still in great shape after 10+ years. It's all personal preference but I can't say the same for my experiences with Nike and puma quality. I still buy stuff from all 3 though!
Anyway all I'm saying is that I'll wait to hear both sides..... Definitely not going to ban a brand I have always had good luck with in the past......
Do you think that anyone will volunteer another "side" to this story? Do you think the Athletic Department will make a statement? Do you think Beilein will answer questions? Do you think that they will allow the players to talk about it? Will adidas field reporters' questions?
That would comprise "the other side."
I don't see that happening. Has there ever been any official explanation about the football jerseys? The ones that left our guys wearing three different iterations of jerseys, some of them a year old?
Edit.- since the original post was edited to include two lines from adidas, I thought it only fair to point out that that was the full extent of the explanation from adidas. A two-line e-mail. They claim to have "plenty" of Michigan jerseys, including the home whites as worn yesterday. But apparently no more Number 1's with Robinson's name on them. So, uh, go with a "12."
Brent Yarina at BTN:
There's only one small problem with your statement.....THEY'RE PLAYING BASKETBALL....But thanks for your thoughtful insight and history lesson.
it seems like the issue is with all these new light weight fabrics they're developing and using. Something's gotta give when you go lighter and thinner, and it looks like that something is durability. We saw that in football season, and we're seeing it in basketball season, too. They need to get back to the drawing board on this.
I am in the minority; however, I prefer Adidas over Nike. Nike is too over the top for my tastes. Adidas is somewhat boring but still presentable. Now I do not have all the facts on the recent uniform issues so I will reserve final judgement.
Wisconsin and Penn State, so what Are you talking about?
Look at pictures from before and after the Minnesota game. They were wearing last year's blue templates. The earlier jerseys had that goofy design on the upper chest above the lettering. After the Minnesota game, it went to last year's set, which doesn't have it.
Last years jerseys though... If you watched any games last year compared to this year prior Minnesota game you would know that jackass.
Is it just me, or is Adidas purposely not replacing the unis to try to force the horrifying camo unis on Michigan?
I mean drop Adidas
Wouldn't be surprised if the broadcasters had it wrong. Thought we had worn this year's blues since Minnesota and 2 months of not having them/not hearing about it seems a little ridiculous.
I recall that at least one of the times we wore blue, they were last year's unis. So unless the announcers were wrong that time, too...
You're wrong, we have strictly worn last years since the Minnesota game or worn or maize unis.
and I was in disbelief.
i mean, seriously, Adidas, seriously?
How can they not even have some crazy clown costume ready for upcoming "road" games?
One of the aspects of the Adidas deal that Michigan loudly celebrated was the fact that Adidas was going to have a rep on campus dedicated solely to Michigan. They were supposed to be giving us all of this attention to make sure things like this didn't happen.
What uniform supplier in 2013 can't provide enough stock to make sure damaged uniforms can be replaced? Why aren't there three or four sets per player for the guys who are constantly on the floor if the fabric is known to have durability issues? Why does it take two months to get replacements/extra sets?
And if you want to stretch it over to football, with the players having issues with the TechFit stuff to the extent that we have had three unique designs of away jerseys on the field at any given time... Why is this considered acceptable?
I'm not going to turn this into a Nike vs. Adidas thing, but you have to wonder why Adidas can get away with not being very good at this. Is it just the money?
I think this is just absolutely unacceptable. To have these kind of consistent quality issue, not having backup's, and then their awful goddamn clowniforms they come up with. I'm done with Adidas, for serious. Any new M gear will be gifts from others, or I'll source Nike gear from Ebay.
I've been hate mailing Adidas since last football season, when we were given the "bumblebee" crap against MSU. This is the only address I could find, I've gotten one response from them though, so someone is getting them.
The lack of quality is pretty disturbing. I've always thought the Nike vs. adidas debate is stupid because so much of it is predicated on the clowniformzz. Yes. Because one thing Nike is famous for is their fanatical adherence to traditionalism. Anyone who thinks we can solve the bumblebee problem by switching to Nike is stunningly ignorant.
The quality issue is another thing entirely. The apparel companies are so fixated on "revolutionary!!" fabrics and lighter this and lighter that. Everything they come out with is revolutionary. There's a new revolution in apparel every few months. And they have to feel like they're getting their money's worth out of their designers so they trot out what they act like are these terrifically pimped-out designs and revolutionary new ways of sewing the fabric patterns together to create... a shirt. But the quality of it? Doesn't seem to matter. It's all about design and revolutions. Because, you know, "the kids like it." Do I think switching to Nike would solve that problem either? Nope.
However, it's pretty troubling, at the bottom of all this, to see that adidas doesn't seem to be embarrassed about the fact that their gear can't stand up to any abuse. Or even regular use. Equally troubling is that I doubt Brandon cares very much. Whichever company offers him the most money to strut their logo around is the one he'll pick. I'd like to think that having your crappy gear fall apart is something you'd hold the provider accountable for, but I guess if it provides a revenue stream, who cares?
It's cloth. Have we really made the technology bigger, faster, stronger, better in the world of fabric by that much? Was cotton and nylon et al all that bad? Does anyone think we're performing any better because of our jersey material? At some point they're just kidding themselves.
Welcome to Marketing 101.
I didn't say the team would fix their issues by going back to Nike. I said I'm done with Adidas, that I would purchase my Michigan gear from other sources. I happen to like the older Nike gear better than most of the stuff Adidas has put out. I fail to see how that makes me stunningly ignorant.
Nothing in that post was aimed at you personally.
Thanks. I get a bit defensive at times around here.
Equally troubling is that I doubt Brandon cares very much. Whichever company offers him the most money to strut their logo around is the one he'll pick. I'd like to think that having your crappy gear fall apart is something you'd hold the provider accountable for, but I guess if it provides a revenue stream, who cares?
Why would you assume Brandon wouldn't care about poor jersey quality? I think he probably would. (Do you think it looks good for the reputation of our athletic department to be associated with shoddy apparel?) What he wouldn't do, though, is publicly complain about it. We are under contract with Adidas for another couple of years and he's not going to throw a public fit about this, which could possibly jeopardize his relationship with them (and/or make other companies reluctant to do business with us).
What I'm curious to know is if other Adidas schools are having jersey quality problems. Has this happened at Kansas, Indiana, ND, et al.?
The question is WHY hasn't it been handled yet? It's not a new problem. Heck, it's been going on since football season. Not having spare uniforms after months is embarrassing, and bad for the brand.
Exactly. We have evidence that the athletic department doesn't seem all that bothered about it because it's happened multiple times now.
I thought I heard about one of the other Adidas teams haveing the same issue but I cant find it with a google search.
I stopped buying horrid Nike and they dropped that crap. Adidas for life. All the evil in the world has one basis ,Nike. From Ohio to little bro. Nike had to go.
Thanks a lot
Bill Martin Obama
and there's the political thread I've been missing
He was being facetious. Or at least hope so
Another reason why I will not be buying any Adidas appeal until we drop them
So as long as Adidas pays us $7.5 million a year, you'll boycott them, but once they stop giving us money, you won't? Seems backwards.
I actually like Adidas. I have a few pair of Adidas shoes and several pieces of Adidas clothing. They all fit, feel, and perform well.
HOWEVER, they gotta go. The current basketball uniform situation is totally unacceptable.
Take this with a grain of salt because they are just rumors, but I've heard that the athletic department and Nike are on very bad terms after we switched away from them. Phil Knight said we would come crawling back to them and we pretty much told him fuck you.
fuck Phil Knight with a tire iron. We'll make our own shit.
That would be cool but I don't think Michigan would choose to miss out on free money ($7.5m I think?)
Thanks for that lovely image of Brandon and Phil Knight, but there's more options than Nike: we could go to Russell or Under Armour.
Now, Under Armour created those Maryland football uni monstrosities, but it seems weird that a humungous school like UM couldn't afford a graphic designer on staff (we have the coin) that can make sure all images put forth by the ath dept promotes whatever image Michigan's wants to promote. I'm sure we could veto dumb uniforms if we wanted to.
Whatever the case, leave Adidas - it's one thing to look bad (which we now do with alarming frequency, which is the AD's fault as much as Adidas). It's another for the jerseys to not even freakin' WORK!
First team in the sweet 16 and our first since 1994, and you're complaining about Adidas jerseys? I'm celebrating with a beer in hand and enjoying this Florida weather since I'm from O$&@. Forget about the jerseys.
My adult beverage celebration is delayed, as I'm at Cobo Hall supporting the University of Michigan's All-Girl Competitive Cheer Team.
Everyone must carry their own cross.
Outside of Pindot sweatshirts and sweatpants, Adidas is trash. Bring on Nike and Under Armour.
Why are you telling? We won and no one got hurt, injured or died.
Ich liebe Adidas, die Weltmark mit den drei Streifen. Sehr Gut!
Nicht gut--sehr schlecht.
at everything they do, from stupid slogans, to colors that don't match, to terrible designs of jerseys, to the awful quality.
Nike please come back!!!!
The reason we haven't been able to win road games!!! It's the jerseys!!!
Understand is how can they have jerseys from last year with the freshman's names on the back but can't get new jerseys after the tear?
Because it's probable that last year, Adidas actually gave us enough stock to hold us over and there was enough left over to repurpose. Or Adidas still had the template in stock.
The real question is why Adidas can churn out new camo uniforms, sleeved uniforms, alternate throwback uniforms, etc. for all of its schools at breakneck speed, but can't replace our normal set within two months.
I might not mind Adidas if we could wear the throwbacks (from PSU game) all season. Rips or not.
Can we just go back to Russell like the early 90s?
Before the Nike contract in '95, Michigan didn't have an exclusive supplier for anything. Basically, it was a mish-mosh of suppliers for everything. Nike shoes, DeLong and Russell doing a lot of the jerseys and shorts, Wilson did a lot of the football gear, hockey was all over the place (and until recently, still sort of was), Cliff Keen Athletics had some contracts (and still does the fabrication on some of Michigan's stuff in their shop)... There even used to be a separate jersey supplier just for bowl games.
Frankly, the idea that one single company can (and should) supply uniforms and gear for every sport when they have strengths and weaknesses across their product lines is pretty ridiculous. But that's the world we live in now.
This is such a great comment.
The new-default option is an all-encompassing tie-in with one equipment supplier. Everybody does it. Why? Why does it have to be that way?
Is the number still $7.5 million per year, plus all the free stuff we can consume? Would it be that hard, to replace that all-inclusive deal? Could we revolutionize the current marketplace, with a Nike deal for basketball, a Reebok deal for hockey, a Wilson deal for baseball, an UnderArmour deal for football? And an adidas deal for track, golf, etc.?
$7.5m was the 2007 number, and I understood that there was a clause that guaranteed that we'd be the highest-paid university contract for the life of our deal. Has our $7.5m number been upped in the course of this contract?
I think the value of these contracts for the apparel companies isn't just being associated with a university sport. if adidas isn't the exclusive provider for all michigan sports, they lose the cache that comes with that. why would a company pay to supply basketball uniforms just to be entitled to play second fiddle to another company supplying football uniforms?
Do you think going back to Nike will help with football jerseys? They'll come up with even dumber alternate jerseys and Brandon will jump at the opportunity to wear them.
Personally I do think switching to Nike would be a good idea, but I'm also not opposed to others. My biggest complaint is the poor quality and what appears to be terrible "customer service" Adidas provides. I highly doubt Nike/Under Armour/ etc would allow a team to have to wear last years jerseys due to not being able to provide them with replacements for damaged uniforms. ESPECIALLY AFTER 10+ weeks
Go back to Nike. I wouldn't mind doing the different uniforms this is 2013 not 1953 get out the past
We must protect this house
Also thanks for the stadium renovation, lining up the Crisler renovations, hiring Beilein, not pimping Michigan for every dollar out there.
Take a significant amoung of good with a significant amount of bad, exactly as we do with our current AD as well.
Cool story bro, nobody on here can do anything about it. I find accepting it is much less stressfull than bitching about it every chance I get..
Dave will sign whatever the biggest, most lucrative contract for the University is... period. College apperal is strictly business, or he would have never jumped off Nike
Since they are virtually all template designs with only minor modifications for each school, I keep wondering if Notre Dame, Wisconsin, Indiana, Nebraska, UCLA, Kansas or Lousiville have had these issues? I haven't heard. Have the bloggers from those schools posted about similar issues?
One of the frustrating things about this is that no one seems to be able to do a story on it. Are the players under orders to say nothing? Has anybody asked Beilein? Will no one in the athletic department say anything? Seems like there is nothing so effective in shutting down a free press like "commercial interests."
When Magnus is doing exit interviews with football players as they finish their eligibility, and when UMHoops does the same with basketball players, it would be interesting to ask about what the players thought, and what they were told by their coaches, about the football jersey debacle at Northwestern in 2011, and what happened with the basketball jersey debacle at Minnesota.
So if we switch from Adidas after 2015, would we switch to Nike, and the pro-combat get up? Or to under armor, and something similar to Maryland's monstrosity?
In my honest opinion as long as we're winning and the helmets have maize wings on them, I could care less
I would rather have Michigan wear LA Gear
Won't happen. Too much money in the deal vs the Swoosh. At least they actually fit on camera. The stuff I order never seems to fit right...that could also be due to the fact that I dont have a bb players body...
Your Avatar's Uniform seems to fit well. Is it a tear away?
It wouldn't be safe for Mrs. Kass.
AC loved em
You would think Michigan could get out of the deal due to break of contract. I would think the contract would stipulate that Adidas actually had to provide uniforms that, well, could actually be used for athletic events.
Adidas is such a pile of trash. They make the ugliest, lowest-quality shit in the universe. It's an embarassment to be associated with them in any way, shape or form.
These takes are moronic.
That nobody has made a strong case to switch to another well-known european equipment supplier.
Yes, of course, I'm talking about British Knights.
The only thing worse than a thread about Uniforms, is the guy who reads all the comments after volunteering to click (on a very detailed title) and proceeds to complain about the whole blog. Your the one who clicked the link, your the one who read it and your the one complaining. Its a FORUM, FORUMS are used to exchange ideas with like minded people about a topic. The TOPIC is about Uniforms and based off the number of comments on all these uniform posts. It is a topic that some like minded people or Michigan fans on a Michigan forum like to discuss. SO you please quit your bitching or go read another FORUM where people only talk about what you enjoy discussing. Other options incude, not reading topics you don't enjoy discussing, not partcipating in topics you don't enjoy discussing. The blog is the content posted on the main page and in terms of blogs it's about the best your gonna find when it comes to Michigan athletics.
I was wondering about this too... Fuck Adidas, I'd much rather have Nike or even Under Armour
You're the 100th person to post this in the last 3 months. No one in the athletic department cares what you think. Universities sign actual CONTRACTS with their official athletic suppliers. Get. A. Clue.
You would think it wasn't 99% men.
1. I would think the athletic department would have QTY 10 of everything. So no offense to our Basketball equipment manager, but I assume someone puts the orders in to Adidas.
2. From the looks of our Adidas jerseys, they are incredibly lightweight, and very breathable... which means they probably are more prone to tear than our jerseys 5-10 years ago.
3. No one ever writes some about how good our Adidas stuff is, just the negatives as they crop up. So here is one, my Adidas zip up from the football season is one of the best pieces of Michigan apparel I have ever owned. I get compliments on it regularly and consistantly.
4. They pay the bills, thats how it works. If UA or Nike wants to step up next time around, I have no problem with a switch.
As much as I agree with some of your points, and agree someone had to make an order for the amount of jerseys. Don't you feel there is an issue that the team wasn't able to get replacements in a 10 week period of time?
Adidas claims there are plenty of Michigan home and away jerseys. There is a disconnect somewhere in this.
The Adidas contract is up soon (2015) and we will be negotiating with Under Armour which is a U. S. company. I am sure Brandon and the university love that aspect. I am not sure how their shoes hold up, but leave Adidas to soccer and track!
The University won't stick with Adidas though. Brandon will have a say this time.
I really don't care. Their gear for college athletics is sub par. Moving on.
Bauer would like to have a word with you about your hockey claim.
As would you, your claim was they were the leader in two sports they are not. I didn't even mention Titleist or Nike Golf which both have bigger followings on tour than TaylorMade.
My apologies for personally offending you, or the company you work for. I simply was using information from Golf Digest which cited Titleist MB Irons as the most widley used irons on tour. As well as the ProV1(1x) as the most widely used ball. I did know TaylorMade had the most used driver (and personally carry one myself).
See above, I was writing it as you posted this.
Wow, a two page thread about a couple rips in uniforms.. wow. Bunch of ladies, lol. Nothing wrong with Adidias, I like their gear and shoes.
If this was a thread that was concerned only with rips in a few jerseys, I wouldn't have much interest.
But I thought it was a thread about a 52.5 million-dollar revenue stream for our athletic department, and so that is why I was interested.
The Adidas gear SUCKS!!!!
Maybe Under Armour is the solution. I know they have a rivalry with Nike, since they originally tried to sell their brand to Nike. Nike said no, then tried to rip off Under Armour's patents. So, UA would have a dog in the fight.
Usually my complaints have been about apperance (design, mottos, etc... the more subjective things). INever liked the Adidas move, personally. But when you start to have real concerns over the durability of than that seals it. IIRC football jerseys had problems tearing in the past and even the players were saying they'll provide their own generic accessories over the free Adidas stuff. It's time to move on from some of this garbage.
I guess when I see every Adidas school in the tournament wearing the same RISE TO THE OCCASION gear, I begin to wonder whether our relationship with them is about our identity as Michigan, or their desire to market their identity using our guys as mannequins.
Say what you will about Nike, but every single iteration of the Pro Combat gear I've seen focuses on the school, not the swoosh. No stupid marketing slogans, no overwhelming logos, just the school and their identity. Same goes for UA. Look what they did in building a uniform system across all sports at Northwestern that incorporates the Northwestern Stripe and other sublimated elements that mimic details of the NU campus. Their stuff looks great.
Adidas just doesn't pull it off. And we're stuck holding the bag with a bunch of ripped jerseys.
Have been disappointed that all Adidas schools get the same stuff. Lame!!
I think that Adidas is too formulaic and template-based, and have been for decades. They are hardly the only offenders, however--you are strongly understating the unified nature of Nike's exotic uniforms.
I like Nike better than Adidas, but the template problem cuts across everything. I do agree with you about UA's work with Northwestern, though.
adidas SUCKS!!! They make a shxt product!
I actually like Under Armour, minus the Maryland abortion. I like Under Armour shoes and sweatshirts/jackets...I own several and they have been high quality, and stylish.
My preference would be:
1. Under Armour
Adidas is just awful.
The fact that we are complaning about this is the best. Let's take a moment to imagine ourselves five years ago and point out that we are consistent B1G title contenders, just made the Sweet 16 AND ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT OUR LACK OF BACK UP JERSIES
Nothing like throwing the word "Retard" around to keep the discussion on a relevant level.
we could wear Carhartt bibs and flip-flops for all I care (or has Oregon football already rolled out that look?). Atlanta here we come!!!
Just wait until Trey Burke is not on the floor at the end of a critical tournament game because he is on the bench dealing with an Adidas "jersey malfunction" and then we'll see just how "unimportant" the fact that our jerseys can't seem to stay in one piece is.
The only good news is that with our low seeding, perhaps we'll be in blue the rest of the way, meaning that we'll be using last-years jerseys, which seem to be able to stay in one piece. Unless of course we go maize.
I really don't understand the hate for this thread. Apparently its "retarded" to assume our apparel company can meet their obligations of quality clothing and replacements in a timely fashion. Shocker here, but the morons are this way -->
Obviously, it's not fun to watch players leave the game because of torn jerseys, but I'd prefer Adidas to make some improvements (or issue backup/duplicate jerseys for the starters at least) rather than Michigan switching uniform suppliers. Plus, these guys on the team all have NBA dreams, and it must be pretty cool for them to see their favorite NBA players also wearing Bleed Out jerseys and other Adidas apparel. Perhaps that's not very important, though.
A picture speaks a thousand words...
I've watched basketball for almost 40 years and I've never seen a basketball team at ANY level having their jerseys RIPPING like this. I think the intermural jerseys my friends and I bought for $35 a piece back when we went to Michigan were higher quality than the crap Adidas has given the team.
After looking at what Under Armour did to Maryland, South Florida, Boston College, and Texas Tech you would want them to sponsor us? No way. I say we either go back to Nike or tell Adidas to keep the clown jerseys to themselves. Nike has made some pretty clean jerseys, and some pretty stupid jerseys, so as long as we decline the dumb ones we will be fine.
i don't understand those complaining about us complaining. our basketball team doesn't have our jerseys for our sweet 16. no debate, that is trash.
question: many other teams wear this exact same adidas uniform ~ are those teams having jersey quality issues?
First is the money. It started at 7.5 million and is well over 8 now thanks to Notre Dame. When we left Nike they were offering 2 million.
Second, Michigan has the right to refuse any product idea or design Adidas offers. Nike would not do that either.
If anything this national call out served as a wake up call to Adidas. They came out and said they have our jerseys ready (per Darren rovell on twitter).
But why the heck are all the jerseys ripping to begin with? This isn't football and they aren't outfitting Anthony Carter. I'm guessing we didn't order tear-away jerseys.
I kind of wish the football jerseys were tear-away (and that they had a stock of 10 or so for WRs, RBs and QBs). It seems there were at least two tackles per game where the opposing team got a hold of the rubber band jersey that was apparently easy to grab and would not tear no matter how much force was applied.
Who is #12?