Injured shoulder, IIRC.
mesmerism! presidential assassinations! circuses on fire!
Injured shoulder, IIRC.
I guess we may never get the real Toussaint.
The funny thing is he will probably leave the program as having the record for most yard per carry in his career as he will only be "healthy" for the really crappy teams for some reason....
and therefore, he will play saturday...
IMHO he'll never reach the miminum number of carries necessary to qualify for a record like that.
He didn't play at all. He was injured, but that wasn't announced before the game. For better or worse, the Hoke staff is not putting out injury reports like the Rodriguez staff did. They will answer a direct question about a player's health if asked, it seems, but they won't volunteer information about a hurt player.
Yes they were. Every injury report was broken down by percentage chance they'd play (25%/50%/75%?), and was far more detailed than anything that ever came out of Fort Schembechler.
See: Chad Henne starting against Miami in 2004.
RR wanted all coaches to do something similar so he was doing it. I don't really mind either way, and while it would be nice if everyone did it for the fans, I'm still meh one way or another on it.
Grow up, man.
And I defy you to find a single injury report, itemized and broken down like that, put out by Lloyd Carr. It was nothing like what Rodriguez was putting out. It's a simple fact, nostalgia or not.
It's not meant as a knock on Rodriguez, but rather as a point of comparison. That's all.
I remember some classic responses (and facial expressions) given by Carr when asked about injuries. The man was not a fan of disclosing that information, this is a fact. I for one like it. When you're so detail oriented about even the injury report that probably means everything else is closely cared for as well.
BRCE is upset that his Irish lost to Michigan again.
I liked the injury reporting so I was not at the game guessing why guys were not playing. I understand Hoke's position but it's kind of a pain as a fan to not know what is going on. I was trying to figure out why Desmond Morgan was playing at first.
I don't give a crap about guessing at a game whether or not someone was going to play, because if I was guessing, so was the opposition. That's the point.
Detailed injury reports are for fans. Fort Schembechler is for competitive advantage.
In the Friday presser it was mentioned he was banged up. It was later stated it was a shoulder and that he wouldn't play. After the game Hoke said he should be fine this Saturday but they didn't want to push him back because they didn't see enough in practice.
You should show up for class more often. This has been talked about on numerous occasions.
and Fitz were both out entirely against ND?
Along the same lines, where is Cam Gordon and should I expect to see him anytime soon, and am I correct that it will be very unlikely that Wolfolk plays until at least Minnesota?
Hoke made it sound like Woolfolk is good to go for Eastern.
I don't know if this is thread-worthy but I don't have enough points to make one anyways. If someone feels it's important feel free to make a thread out of it.
I saw Troy Woolfolk today on the diag. He has some sort of bandage on the lower half of his nose, which is why he caught my eye in the first place. My guess is that it is just a pretty bad cut and not a break.
He also has a cast on his right hand. I broke my hand a couple years ago, punching a wall -- no less, and had to wear a cast. Since it was a bad break my cast went to about three inches below my elbow. His looks to be two or three inches above his wrist which makes me think the injury isn't too serious. The good news is that he was walking quite fast without any signs of pain, so hopefully his ankle doesn't give him anymore trouble.
Vincent Smith rarely losses yards
sadly no one will ever believe you
I do. I know we may not win without VS scoring on that screen play, talk about crappy blocking!
Well, technically, we have yet to get any Toussaint this year because they're vacating the stats from the WMU game.
BOOM, you mind has been Brian Kelly'd!
Looks like some people need to start reading the presser transcripts Heiko puts up on the front page.
I have major doubts if he will ever really play much at UM with how he can't even make it a game or practice with out being hurt.
I still hold out hope that Toussaint will get in one good year. Sort of like Hemingway is about to.
"Smith = Loss or 2-3 yard gain"
I think you mean: "Smith = loss or 2-3 yard gain, coupled with awesome blocking for Denard on EVERY SINGLE PLAY, or awesome freaking run in the final minutes of one of the biggest games of the season during which he cut past and eluded 2 ND defenders that should have smashed him into the ground to get a huge TD that set up the most exciting final minute of play in Big House History."
Call me crazy (don't actually do it, it'll hurt my feelings), but I think Vincent Smith should still be the starting back. He's clearly still the most reliable. He may not have top-end speed like the others but he's consistent and a known commodity. Sometimes that is better than the wildcard with the bigger upside, especially one that starts but ends the day with negative yards rushing.
I kid , I kid.
I totally agree with you. Smith is by far the most consistent. He is an awesome blocker and unlike Hopkins, he doesn't fumble. Sure, there are times when he gets between 0 and 3 yards, but there are also many times when he breaks loose for good gains. Finally, it just seems to me that Denard is way more effective when smith is in the game.
VS is extremely impressive with his blocking. On 3rd down, he can make that key block for DR or catch a pass for a key first down. I love him in there on 3rd and longer than 5.
I had heard he was banged up before the game, but I didn't realize he would be out. I assumed banged up meant hurt, not injured.
wonder what the deal is with the shoulder. Didn't he have issue with them last year too? Can't think of what would be such a chronic issue.
The backs had 8 total carries against a dominant front seven. I think the sample size is a bit small.
I think the sample size would have been bigger if Hoke, et al., had any confidence they could be successful.
Cox must really be in the dog house. I thought with his style of running he would do well in this type of offense. It's sad that he's not getting PT with the injuries and suspensions at the RB position.
Have read on another premium board that Cox is struggling to learn the offense and remembering plays
This is the second coaching staff that has buried Cox very deep on the depth chart. Maybe he just isn't that good at football.
And the 2nd coaching staff to talk him up as impressive and get our hopes up for the year. I have lost hope that he will ever see the meaningful time.
I also noticed Tate wasn't on the field either. Must have missed that in the injury report as well.
I thought I saw him... Crying on the bench....
is only slightly more quixotic than hoping Antonio Bass will miraculously recover from his knee injury and rejoin the team.
Them windmills ain't gonna tilt themselves.
Taco Pants in the fourth quarter.
I dont think that there is one guy who stands out above the rest in this mediocre bunch of running backs that we have. In the game against western both Toussaint and Shaw had one big run each. That made their numbers look good. But now we are back to the same place we were last year with inconsistant line play for run blocking as we are unable to get anyone free but Denard. Or we just have a mediocre offensive line and some mediocre backs. I know our line is one of our strong points but on run plays they were just getting beat. I dont think that Toussaint would have had any effect on the outcome of the ND game. We need a big time running back period. Maybe Rawls will fill that someday or we land a Dunn in this recruiting class. So for now I think it is going to be running back by committee and Denard. I hope that someone steps up though if for no other reason than to keep Denard as healthy as possible.
So you just finish saying our line isn't run blocking is inconsistant, and then you say we need a new running back. Which is it?
Me, I am going to wait and see. In the Western game I saw a running game with some solid short yardage gains when we needed them, and a few bigs plays as well. In the ND game, nothing doing, unless you count blocking, a screen pass, some option play, and the pass to the full back (which I count). Bottom line though is they got behind early, and needed to revert to the Denard show to win, so they did.
I actually liked Al Borges' presser better than Greg Mattison's. he basically said ND learned what not to do from last year. (Which everybody we played after ND last year had already figured out.) He comes across as a flexible, inventive realist. With Western Denard looked more poised and the offense was more balanced. ND was a big test which we barely passed. The loss of Fitz, the time of day, the excitement of the game, and the defense ND showed all may have contributed. I think growth comes from both, and our next three games. Hopefully five is enough to get settled in the new hybrid system and move ahead.