About the Fans

Submitted by MichiganMan2011 on

I'm probably going to be negbombed to Bolivia, but I have to get this off my chest.

I am a Michigan alum, and a rabid Wolverine for the past 8 years. I did not grow up rooting for the Wolverines, but I live & die by the Maize and Blue with the rest of them. Hell, my first game in the Big House was The Horror, and I'm still here so that has to count for something.

I was at The Game today. Honestly I can't blame the coaches and players too much. They are operating within the constraints forced upon them by situations outside of their control. They gave it their all, and for that they should always have a special place in the heart of Michigan's Faithful.

The biggest element I found lacking was the fanbase. From the start, the stadium was at least 25-35% Buckeyes. I know it's Thanksgiving weekend, but you won't see Ohio selling that many tickets to us when we're playing in Columus.

But even worse to me was the fact that the atmosphere just plain wasn't there. You could hear a pin drop on most Ohio downs. When they were running tempo, you could clearly tell that our fanbase was not prepared and had no idea about when to get loud. In full honesty, when they annouced the Slippery Rock score there was a bigger reaction than on Ohio third downs when our defense needed it the most. Not to mention the fact that the stairs were fully occupied with Michigan fans leaving from the beginning of the fourth quater onward at full tilt.

I don't mean to denegrate our fans, I honestly don't. But to put things in perspective, I went to the Alabama-LSU game this year and the difference is night and day.. If we ever want to be a "Great Team" we need to secure our home field advantage. It's one thing to have a great team, a great coaching staff, great traditions, a great campus. But if we can't turn the Big House into a place that strikes fear into opposing teams' hearts we will never truly be elite.

I hate people pointing out issues without proposing solutions, so I will propose a few. First, we need to stop selling tickets to opposing fans. How we do that in the age of Stubhub is a difficult task. The Mgoblog ticket list is a good start, but we need to do so at a larger scale. Maybe the Athletic Department could work on a fan-to-fan sales system where they could take a cut but still ensure tickets end up in the hands of Michigan fans. 

I also agree with Woodson -- The Game needs to be moved to 3:30 or a night start to encourage fans to get rowdy. The atmosphere shouldn't be like an afternoon picnic. It needs to be fierce and intimidating.

Lastly we need to take measures to get people loud when they're in the stadium. Encourage the people next to you to yell! There are times for talking (TV timeouts, halftime) and there are times for yelling (every down on defense). If we can't make use of the largest crowd in America then we are throwing away a vital advantage for our boys in Maize and Blue.

I may be preaching to the choir, or I may be pissing people off. Regardless, this is a message that needs to get out and be discussed seriously. It blows my mind that we can have a better atmosphere for a Penn State night game last year than we did for our most hated rival in a meanginful situation and Harbaugh's first year. Let the Team work on the X's and O's, but let's make sure we bring the heat and get back up our defense with the best damn home field advantage in all of sports.

Honestly our fanbase should be ashamed at the support we provided the team today, and we need to get real about fixing things.

-GS

BornSinner

November 28th, 2015 at 6:03 PM ^

The 12pm kickoff is to blame. 330 games have much more energy. 

The band could be a bit more imposing too... Lose Yourself and 7 Nation Army can pump you up for only so long. 

freejs

November 28th, 2015 at 6:05 PM ^

sits on his hands, waits for his team to be up two touchdowns, looks around in enormous surprise and announces, "yes, yes, now I am roused!" 

It's pathetic. 

Way too much of an attitude of "first you show me, then I cheer." There are fans of other teams who come ready to be part of the equation, ready to help will a team on, ready to back a team from whistle to whistle, and then some. 

I know it's been a brutal stretch of years. I am suffering as much as anyone out there, if not more. It eats at me, it makes me want to tear someone's head off. 

But that doesn't excuse not being behind the team with full throats and full support. 

rockydude

November 28th, 2015 at 6:53 PM ^

I'm with you and the OP all the way. I'm one of those ones that sees myself as part of the "12th man". The idea that we sit back and not cheer unless the team seems to be about to win a championship is offensive to me. I've never left a Michigan game early, and to be honest, the idea baffles me. I'd love having maize outs as well.

I can't honestly say how the crowds differ now from when I was in school though. We do need to avoid that "back in the good old days" trap, because in my experience, people always remember the old days as much better than they were. That being said, I do agree with the other posters who want more audience participation. To me, a great perk of being at the game is trying to do everything possible to help the team win. I don't know how much it truly helps, but I always have loved the idea that we can be so disruptive as to make things better tough on our opponents.

freejs

November 28th, 2015 at 7:16 PM ^

not.

Is this "I'll only cheer for you if you prove to me it's worth my while" thing recent or was it like this 15-20 years ago? Seems like it was different back then. 

I'll say this - I was in the student section for 1997 OSU, and I fucking guarantee we made a difference in that game. OSU couldn't run their last set of downs we were so loud. The fact that they were under the student section for their last series basically guaranteed that the game was over. 

Yeoman

November 28th, 2015 at 8:33 PM ^

On October 4, 1969, we lost to MSU 40-17.

The next time we lost a home game by 20+ was in 1991, 51-31 to Florida St.

Then Iowa in 2002.

That's three times in 38 seasons, through 2006. There weren't a lot of opportunities for the fans to be bludgeoned into silent submission.

Then it starting happening on the regular; we had more blowouts in the next four years than we'd had in 38. Oregon in '07, Illinois in '08, Penn State in '09, Wisconsin in '10.

I'm guessing if the crowds 30 or 40 years ago had ever been tested, they'd have responded like today's. They weren't, not ever.

freejs

November 28th, 2015 at 9:05 PM ^

Your point is well drawn, but we all have stories of being shushed or tut tutted at or told to sit down. That stuff *does* seem to be an outlier vs. other fanbases. 

And honestly, if I were a coach or a recruit, it's the sort of thing that would make me think twice about joining the program. Fortunately, there's a lot of other stuff to recommend Ann Arbor, but I would think this sort of thing breaks the heart of every player and every former player out there. 

You Only Live Twice

November 28th, 2015 at 10:53 PM ^

People like to say that this isn't the 1970s with obvious accuracy.

Yeah the crowd was different, but today's crowd actually felt closer to that, in my estimation.  With the lack of constant RAWK there was more conversation, and more yelling at the field.  Hell, you can't go back in time, but sometimes people want to.  With good reason.  But we don't need to go back, we are regaining the best stadium experience of NOW.

UMxWolverines

November 28th, 2015 at 6:56 PM ^

Normally yes I would agree with you, but not today. The fans brought it in the 1st half and the beginning of the second half. The defense has to do their part though. If you think it was the fans that lost the game today...I don't know what to tell you. 

Padog

November 28th, 2015 at 6:04 PM ^

I completely agree with you when it comes to selling tickets. There were so many Ohio State fans in my section. In regards to getting loud, we were pretty loud in the first half. The roughing the kicker penalty was pretty deflating though.



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switch26

November 28th, 2015 at 6:04 PM ^

I wonder if you were the guy in our section that was being annoying and screaming the entire time for no reason.. Third downs etc were worth cheering about, but this idiot by us had to be on drugs screaming at fans try to enjoy the game. Ruined the game for me personally especially since it was one of our own fans.

freejs

November 28th, 2015 at 6:08 PM ^

Could you almost FAINT? 

Amazing that someone thinks people should cheer for more than just third downs. /s

What the hell is wrong with our fanbase? 

It's THE GAME. If you're not screaming from kickoff at least until hopelessness, you gotta seriously reflect on what is and isn't running through your veins. 

MichiganMan2011

November 28th, 2015 at 6:16 PM ^

I understand your thoughts. There's a fine balance between being a rabid fan and taking it to a crazy extreme. I'd never want our atmosphere to be like the Shoe where opposing fans get spit on or worse. There's something to be said about a Michigan game where you can bring your family, your children and not worry about an NFL crowd or experience if that makes sense. However I do think there's a balance where we can be great fans, be loud and pay attention. Would love to hear more of your thoughts on how the game went and what we can do better. Enjoy the rest of your weekend!

Football Heaven

November 28th, 2015 at 6:05 PM ^

Read the thread "selling tickets" and you will see what we are up against.  I agree with you whole-heartedly, but there are people who would rather recoup a quarter or more of their seasonal cost by selling tickets to this one game.  It sucks and it ruins the Michigan experience.  1st class fanbases would not accept the amount of red in the stadium.

ijohnb

November 28th, 2015 at 6:20 PM ^

was pretty pathetic today. Save for one defensive possession, the crowd was dead and the place looked like a "red-out" from above. The noon start really hampers this game and I think the lack of big game atmosphere shows in the teams play. The crowd was more fired up for the Rutgers game than this. This did not feel at all like a "rivalry game."

evenyoubrutus

November 28th, 2015 at 6:07 PM ^

I sit in section 39 for most games (I have an arrangement with an alum) and I hate it. I can't stand everyone who sits around me except for one guy who's about 30. Nobody stands. Ever. No one cheers. On those 3rd down conversions early in the game nobody made a peep. I hate it so much I don't even know what to do.

You Only Live Twice

November 28th, 2015 at 9:21 PM ^

If we get an empty seat in our group, I hope MgoBlog makes it possible for users to contact users because you could come sit next to us and have a great time.  I'm old, but so are a lot of other people in the vincinity, and we are on our feet a lot.  

Remember, people who say they can't stand... once you stand, so does the row behind you!

UM2k1

November 28th, 2015 at 6:08 PM ^

So you, the arbiter of Michigan fandom, think I should be ashamed that I paid over a grand for season tickets, but I don't support the team properly. Thanks douchebag

MichiganMan2011

November 28th, 2015 at 6:13 PM ^

Thank you for your support of Michigan athletics and football in particular. I also have season tickets and pay my annual donation. I'm not judging you, I truly appreciate your fandom. I'm just calling it like I see it. We're all on the same team here, just trying to start a conversation sir

Mabel Pines

November 28th, 2015 at 6:42 PM ^

I'm a grown ass woman. How the hell am I supposed to make the people around me loud? The Buckeye fans only got loud when it was clear they were killing us. I totally agree with the ticket selling thing, but as far as the crowd goes, it was because we got killed.

freejs

November 28th, 2015 at 8:28 PM ^

unless you're old and therefore have a perfectly reasonble excuse, anything less than participating in making The Big House an intimidating place to play is not good enough. 

What the hell you think they're doing at Spartan Stadium???

VinegarStrokes

November 28th, 2015 at 6:08 PM ^

I got negged to high hell in the other thread because I sold my tix. I live 2000 miles away but still make to several games a year. With the OSU game being played over TG weekend, it makes it nearly I,possible for me to attend due to family obligations. I sold my tix on stubhub, the "official" partner of the Michigan athletic ticket office for Michigan resale tickets. Maybe my seats were purchased by M fans but who knows. If the ticket office really cared about keeping tix in M fans' hands, they would look into this further. Unfortunately, I don't think they care that much or hey know nothing can be done about it.



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Michichick

November 28th, 2015 at 10:32 PM ^

There was less red in the stadium today than the past 3 home OSU games, but not so much less that they couldn't do their insufferable "look, we can spell a four-letter word" cheer. When that happens, I just seethe, but there's not much to do about it when our D is getting ripped to shreds.

Most blocks of red were in the south end zone, but there was an unusual block of red in the north end zone. The athletic dept sent a few reps from marketing to look into how those people got their tickets - all the OSU fans bought them from season ticket holders. That is an utter disgrace.

Catchafire

November 28th, 2015 at 6:11 PM ^

Many of the fans dont know what its like to beat OSU; we have only beaten them twice in the last 15 years, and the win in 2011 was probably due to Tressel leaving the program.

Catchafire

November 28th, 2015 at 6:11 PM ^

Many of the fans dont know what its like to beat OSU; we have only beaten them twice in the last 15 years, and the win in 2011 was probably due to Tressel leaving the program.

Perkis-Size Me

November 28th, 2015 at 6:14 PM ^

It's tough to get rowdy and loud when you're getting your ass kicked up and down the field all second half. The crowd was completely out of the game by mid 3rd quarter.

As for OSU buying up a bunch of tickets, you can't do much about that besides start winning games and make these games against OSU mean something. And honestly, this year was a lot better than 2013. I honestly believed that year it was maybe 40% OSU fans. We were just lucky that game was close.

It's easy for OSU to start gobbling up tickets when they're winning 11-12 games a year and will drive three measly hours to go see a winning product. They have a huge fanbase and their team wins. OSU always has a towering home field advantage over us in Columbus because we've sucked for the better part of a decade, so no one wants to go watch a loser.



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Jeff09

November 28th, 2015 at 6:16 PM ^

Ehhh first off I disagree, the first half was pretty darn loud. And after that, when you keep getting gashed on defense, people start to get weary. Big defensive plays stoke the crowd and the opposing team getting big plays takes the crowd out of if. That's the way it is everywhere, not just Michigan.

Bando Calrissian

November 28th, 2015 at 6:16 PM ^

This take is absolutely 100% feelingsball nonsense.

The fans were fine. The players didn't execute.

And of course the OSU fans were more noticeable after our fans started to bail because, as mentioned, the players didn't execute. Can't stop the run, can't stop the fans heading for the exits. Thus, the OHIO chant is going to be heard.

MichiganMan2011

November 28th, 2015 at 6:34 PM ^

I agree. Knowing what we know now about how these teams compare, a better crowd probably wouldn't have made a difference in the final outcome. That said I'm a fan of the philosophy of control what you can control. I can't control the coaches plans or the players execution. But I can try to influence the fan base in whatever miniscule manner I can, just in case it will mean something someday. But yeah, that's a pretty romantic and impractical idea anyway!