I heard form a friend of a cousin's sisters uncle that RichRod had a blue sock on one foot and a black sock on the other.
no, YOU'RE off topic
I heard form a friend of a cousin's sisters uncle that RichRod had a blue sock on one foot and a black sock on the other.
But was he wearing a yellow jersey?
How original of you to post something so HIlarious.
My head hurts. Those who stay will be champions and right now Rich Rod is our coach so lets get behind the team and support them as loud and as positive as we can in the stadium on Saturday.
about stupid nicknames.
Fearless leader declared said phrase an offense worthy of the almighty BANHAMMER.
Yeah, Peter, did you get that memo?
Learn all about it in three simple steps.
1. Click hyperlink labeled "memo" I attached above
2. Read Brian's Post near the end
3. Look at the number after "Points:" and consider all of the possible meanings of swift justice.
this punishment is more along the lines of the ancient Roman use of exemplory violence.
Take one for the team!
Can't be worse than the Michael Scott Paper Company.....
I dont think "fair" is determined by how much you read the board, rather it is about what it means when you have a propensity to use words like you used and also try to post with the caliber of fan that posts here.
North Korea is not so bad, relax it will be ok
My advice to you is to chill out. I am guessing you are getting a temporary reprimand. Dont turn it into something permanent.
The points still have no real value. You obviously didn't get banned because you are still posting every five seconds to complain. Just move on.
Besides, King of Belch has had like twice as many negative points as you do and he bounces back every time. Learn from a pro.
Dude. You are your own worst enemy right now. Learn when to pick your battles and when to STFU. It's a useful life skill.
I had iniitially thought you had a vailid point. I didn't see that post either and don't think people should be held accountable for breaking a rule that isn't widely publicized and isn't patently obvious. But the way you responded, I now have no sympathy for you. And you weren't banned. If you were banned, you wouldn't still be able to post. Poster "blueblueblue" speaks wisdom.
Yes, your treatment here immediately calls to mind the suffering of the North Korean people.
Has someone called Amnesty International, or are we going to the UN on this one?
Next up, I compare someone's cruel mocking of my grammar to the Armenian Genocide. The horror, the horror.
You know something, I never got that memo either.
And I'm on here like, a lot.
Nor did I even know of this word of instant death that rhymes with a certain bar on Tatooine. As in, nobody has ever said it around me nor have I thought of it myself.
It doesn't sound all that clever.
Sometimes we draw arbitrary lines in the sand because we know "on this side of the beach" is safe and "over there on THAT side of the beach" is like where the Canadian Government tests mines,* and even though nobody is really hurt if you go just over the arbitrary line in the sand, you still get arrested for it, because that's the only way you can have this really nice beach next to where they test mines.
For the time being, there's going to be this massive neg total next to your name, so other beach goers know that the line is serious. Then you'll be okay. Just don't make a deal about it.
* Ipperwash Beach, on Lake Huron
How did you get negbanged 99,700 times?
Never mind, I figured it out. Definitely won't make that mistake!
The media in Michigan makes Fox News look objective.
I always think it is funny when the left criticizes fox news for being subjective when everyone else in the media leans all the way to the left. seems a bit a hypocritical.
and that's coming from someone dead in the center.
I am not really passionate about any one political direction or another (I'm also moderate/center), but I do find it ridiculous when people get angry at Fox. Fox took the opposite stance of left wing bias of CNN, NBC, etc., and stupidly called it "fair and balanced." Big deal. One reason Jon Stewart sucks is because he spends all his time trashing Fox news when it's too easy a target. The problem with almost all media today is that it is biased, and sports media is no exception. I think that what happened this season at the Freep and what ESPN does every day illustrates that point.
Whoever is negging me is a fucking idiot. Show yourself you coward. But first, how about you actually read my post.
Well, there's 4 negs on that statement now. I'm guessing most of them were for talking your politics on the board.
I'm the 4th.
I'd expect more, too. I mean, c'mon, you're a "moderate" but you don't even know the difference between the inadvertent bias of CNN (and all media) and the shilling of FoxNews? There's a big difference in intent here.
Plus: "fucking idiot" , "coward" , "read my post." You and I have been reading each others' stuff on this board for years now -- since when did you of all of a sudden start using troll lingo?
How is CNN's (and most other media) bias inadvertent?
The author isn't going into the story thinking "how can I spin this to help my cause."
Journalists' "lenses" (one word we use for it) can color coverage, but it's an accident. A good journalist is like a good football player -- the ability to identify your own biases and keep them out of your work is as essential to a journalist as running routes is to a receiver, or accuracy is to a quarterback. It's a talent that's necessary for the job. Still, not every receiver runs a perfect route every play. Not every quarterback throws every ball D.O. Likewise, inadvertent bias seeps through coverage, despite the journalist's best efforts, the editor's best eye, and the ombudsman's penetrating patrol.
Mediocre journalists, like those employed by CNN, are probably worse at this than good journalists. Nobody's impervious, but the lower the quality of reporting ability, the more biases I'm sure you will notice.
It works both ways -- there are journalists with conservative leanings (my editor is a good example) whose biases come out in their reporting. But for the most part, I would agree that if you polled every journalist working for national media outlets, more would fall toward what in this country we currently identify as liberal. I think the reason for this is that it takes a certain kind of personality to want to find information and disseminate it, and this personality type identifies with some liberal politics. Plus, most live in urban or suburban environments, and are highly educated, and very "tuned in," and socially conscious, and are probably in a low tax bracket -- these are all markers that in recent years have trended Democratic.
It's a lot more complicated than that -- political positions are hardly as black and white as two-party electoral politics make them out to be. Journalists were generally much more Republican than the country at large from the 1860s up until basically FDR, and trended that way for much of the Reagan years.
Anyway, that's why I think a lot of Americans today see a liberal bias in national media. It has as much and probably more to do with readers' biases than journalists' biases. Peoples' opinions don't change as easily as you think.
With CNN, the biggest problem I think is that they're bombastic, not slanted. That's a trait shared by pretty much every TV News program. They are out to get viewers, and viewers want 'splosions and helicopter chase scenes and footage of cops standing around outside some crummy neighborhood the viewer would never venture into. If everyone clamored for unbiased, considered news, you'd get Good Night, and Good Luck. You'd probably be bored to tears.
Anyway, that's my problem with CNN. For the record I don't watch it -- I'm hardly a paragon; I get my news mostly on Yahoo and from co-workers and friends' blogs, and what Misopogal e-mails me and stuff.
With FoxNews, in particular, they don't have the same approach. They realized there's a big market for people who actually WANT slanted news (remember: it's harder to change peoples' minds than you think). They're an overt spin machine, a shill. This in itself is fine. Brian's, in some ways, an overt shill for Michigan, and so am I. What gets my goat about FoxNews is the pretense that they're not shilling, or the suggestion that they're only shilling because "those other guys are, too."
Brian's raison d'etre is to provide better Michigan coverage from a Michigan fan because a Michigan fan cares more. Bias is a necessary side effect, but a side effect nonetheless. His homerism is identified, part of the schtick. It's not "because the other local media hate us and this makes up for it."
Think of people you know who have taken it upon themselves to "even things up" or "make things square." Human beings have a long and well-established track record of being very bad at actually identifying what's "fair," especially when they have a stake in things. We have ways of dealing with this. The worst way -- you should have realized by now -- is to have some guy go rogue, dealing out injustices until he deems justice has been served.
That's basically what you're getting with the "FoxNews makes up for the media's liberal bias" argument.
Their coverage is purposefully bent to certain political views. They invent talking points and plan out long-term coverage narratives because that's what they're really peddling. Contrast that with CNN, whose coverage is purposefully bent toward titillating audiences. Their talking points are always reactionary, any coverage narratives complete accidents, because they're peddling "you never know wat SHOCKING thing will happen next, so TUNE IN!" Any political bent is, for the most part, coincidental, a reflection of a person's natural biases and their mistake of letting those biases shade the journalist's coverage.
I think the whole picture becomes a lot easier to understand if you can divorce yourself from this silly idea that all politics are either red or blue. Neither political party has squelched dischord in its ranks, or has everybody on board one single platform. You also have to get rid of the idea that "MSM" or whatever is a sentient entity -- each medium is pretty much independent of another, and when assessing the coverage of each, you have to actually look at the audience they're playing to:
Michigan Daily: (pseudo?)-Intellectual college students who love Michigan sports and whose mean political identity is kind of scarily close to Ralph Nader.
Result: preachy but generally high-minded news and Wolverine-biased sports coverage.
New York Times: Urbanite intellectuals, particularly East Coasters. Highly educated (often post-graduate), generally white collar.
Result: Incredibly, incredibly, pretentious, with biases inadvertently but far-too-often pouring through coverage thanks to an enterprise (and readership)-wide holier-than-thou complex
Fox News: Republicans and conservative-leaning moderates who are particularly sensitive to lapses in journalistic judgment from national news media
Result: Republican shill
Detroit Free Press: Dwindling population of Detroit and Metro-Detroit, most of whom don't have time for subtleties, mostly Michigan State fans (who often seem to care more about what's going on at Michigan than their own team)
Result: News and editorial sections that are knee-jerk protector's of Detroit's reputation, sports section that plays up whichever team is winning, hypes up MSU, and hates on Michigan.
MGoBlog: Michigan fans with media standards WAAAYYY above those of mere mortals
Result: Circle-jerk of douchey high-standard Michigan fans with massive paranoia of trolls and low-quality media
I know I am, and I'm guessing you too are a douchey, high-standard Michigan fan with massive paranoia of trolls and a low-quality media. Which demographic above fits us best, then?
j/k, I will read it, I just can't right now.
since when did you of all of a sudden start using troll lingo?
Ever since I realized that nothing gives me greater satisfaction than chewing people out. Seriously, you should try it in your morning commute. It just feels so good to scream at people. Hopefully it should take some heat off future Tim Waymen Jr.
I'm going to have to apologize for this one then because I didn't make myself really clear, and I can't expect people to know what I'm talking about if I'm not making my point clearly. Yes, I know the difference between each bias. I try to avoid politics and I thought I was being fair and apolitical by being moderate. Apparently I didn't come off that way and/or moderate is still political.
The media often has a left-leaning bias. That's just the way it is, and it doesn't really bother me whether I agree with it or not. It gets the job done. So Fox News comes along and offers reactionary right-wing (and cheesy IME) news to make up for what they claim liberal MSM fails to do, all in the name of "fair and balanced." FNC knows that. They attract an audience (and apparently one that doesn't care about quality). I don't watch it, and that's exactly what people should do if they don't like it. It's all about money, ratings, and personal advancement, whether it's Fox News, CNN, ESPN, or WBFD Duluth Channel 5 Action News. I don't think saying that pushes me in one direction or another.
I find yelling only makes me angrier. Not that I don't do it.
I'm good with this as an accord.
Yeah come to think of it yelling can probably lead to bad things, especially when directed at policemen. I figure it will eventually cause my blood pressure to skyrocket, or at least cause the slime flowing under my city to accumulate and resurrect an evil guy with a funky name.
I'm pretty center too, but there's no question that Fox News is biased. It's not that MSNBC/CNN aren't too, but I find them too annoying to watch in the first place. Personally, I hate politics because it's all too much hype and posturing. That's why I mostly watch ESPN. Oh, wait.
my best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Rich Rod pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious.
LOL! That is almost always funny! :-D
My dad was listening to the show and he said the argument was fairly convincing. My dad is pretty skeptical and 97.1 is notoriously pro-MSU, so he always takes it with a grain of salt. However,I live in Virginia now and he felt the need to call me because of the conversation being had on the radio (My dad is totally pro-Rich Rod so he was a bit upset and needed a friend).
He said that they also mentioned the new athletic director being a motivator because they would have an opportunity for him/her to find a football coach right away. Also, apparently RR has a stipulation in his contract that any violations of NCAA rules are grounds for semi-uncompensated dismissal. I would think that the university has to see this as a lucrative time to release a coach (who they are paying ALOT), who may not YET be earning his paycheck (notice I didnt say that he could never earn his paycheck, but no one can argue that if he continued on this pace that we would continue to pay him that much).
as in really really bad for a school
Rick Neuheisel was fired prematurely by U Wash just b/c of a NCAA investigation, he later sued and settled for $4.7 mill. It would be much worse for Mich to even go there with RR. People need to stop looking for ways out of this contract with RR and start supporting him in his 3rd year.
It is never good to be premature.
There are a LOT of people associated with the school both north and south of Hill Street (thats a reference line many use for the academic side of campus and the athletic side of campus. Athletics being south) who are saying the A.D. job is David Brandon's to turn down AND Brandon was on the hire committee for Rodriguez so why wouldn't he just be involved now (if it were to come to that).
Still think that Valenti is full of crap (maybe in his demented Sparty way he thinks this will lead to decommits and further instability, who knows) and I really don't see RR going anywhere this year but the lame duck A.D. excuse isn't going to be reason to hold off a change in-and-of-itself.
On a side note, after reading an article somewhere yesterday about how RR's son had some nimrod Sparty physically accost him as he got off the team bus and all the other negatives that have gone on since he got here, do any of you wonder if RR might WANT out? Its been said after these two years that he has no value but do any of you remember that article some time at the beginning of the year where some writer out east was predicting RR would somehow lose his job and end up back in West Virginia, but at Marshall. I don't know. Not that I really have feelings one way or the other at this point if he were to go, just wondering from his position whether he's beginning to think that maybe he wants to get out of here?
That's all I gotta say......name your source if you're about something other than getting ppl to listen to your show and the ability to sell advertising.
I'm tired of nameless "sources" slandering our coach and university behind some washed up, not-known-outside-Michigan "journalist".
Seriously, speak up, name sources or shut-up.
By the way, why is anyone still listening to talk radio?
Because it's funny to hear Dave from Phoenix, who likes to piss in everyone's Cheerios.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. And I suppose they are going to have a meeting to determine what a blow out is - 20 pts or more? What if the margin is 17pts? 16pts? What will they do then!!!!! Refer to the official definition in the NCAA rulebook of a 'blowout'? Professionals aren't going to determine the fate of a head coach of one of the biggest programs in the nation on whether he gets blown out. And it takes bush league minds to buy into that sort of talk.
It was way better when MSU beat Michigan in Ann Arbor by 14 in 2008 than the nailbiting down to the cuticle in that 26-20 OT win in East Lansing this year.
Spartans need to come to Ann Arbor and beat Michigan next fall.
MSU is 2-0 vs. RichRod. Since RR is such an awful coach and the replacement would likely be "so much better", then shouldn't Big Ten opponents and their fans be pulling for RR to stay on at Michigan?
I WISH THAT I COULD NEG THIS A MILLION TIMES. SOMEONE, PLEASE, DELETE IT NOW!
Have we already forgotten what Craig Roh's dad taught us?? Recruits read this forum. SO PLEASE - do not post a bunch of unbased garbage on the verge of the biggest recruiting weekend in recent memory!
I am pretty sure that we are allowed to bring this kind of stuff up as long as we keep the conversation intelligent. I feel an intelligent response to Valenti from "we the fans" is important. Which means someone needs to bring it up. Its the commenters jobs to say that this is a bad reporting by Valenti, but its not the origanters job to keep the crazy people at bay.
Pigs, wrestling, mud, you know the rest.
I wish we could make this a life lesson for all future blog posts.
It could even have its own wrist band:
Mike Valenti and all radio show hosts, sports or otherwise, operate with an aganda. That agenda is gaining ratings and ad revenue. Making outlandish claims using unverified "I know someone who knows someone who works as a janitor....." sources are just one way of getting peoples interest. Now I love sports and unfortunatly find myself drawn to 97.1, even though I can only take so much of the bullshit that permeates from their know-it-all attitudes. Valenti has the kind of arrogance that makes me feel as though he auditioning for a national show on a network. And TerryDrewRobFosterSharpParker plays the perfect side man, never really disagreeing, but when he does he has a tinge guilt in his voice. Sorry for the back tracking. But the point I am making is that listening to or believing wholeheartedly to what these guys, or anyone in the media says could drive you batshit. Everything is said with a wink, or hint of "believe what you want, but MY sources say......" mentality.
Right now it looks like open season for anti-RR people. The team plays bad, some NCAA investigation, they may not qualify for a bowl so let's just fire away.
No need to pile on.
This is Valenti, AKA He Of Numerous On-Air Meltdowns.
I'm sure he has a ton of what he believes is inside info, and I am also sure they're as full of hot air as he is.