James Burrill Angell

September 4th, 2014 at 10:45 AM ^

Sadly you're dead on. In the last five to seven years the percentage of students in Michigan who are starting at community college despite getting into Michigan or MSU has been going up drastically simply because it's cheaper. Michigan is addressing this issue by being more open minded and accepting more CC transfers and also setting up a sizable scholarship program for people who transfer from CC's. The academic standard is just as high and if the student wouldn't have gotten in as a high school senior, they mostly won't get in out if CC but it's a rising trend in this state and the Universities are having to respond accordingly,

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Danwillhor

September 4th, 2014 at 2:03 PM ^

My Brother took that route and started at UM this year after going to WCC for 2 years (IIRC) & MCCC (for a quarter or semester due to medical reasons - long story). He's always been a very bright guy (!) but the "if accepted out of HS" thought is/would be, sadly, way off. He didn't finish HS. Not for intelligence reasons but many personal ones (I could guess but I won't speak for him). Truly a case of someone too intelligent to have a GED. Even if he had finished, I doubt he'd been accepted. I only say this because my recently graduated Niece had better grades, extracurriculars, athletics, etc through HS and she was denied by UM. She is now at another college (not a CC or State). I couldn't be more proud of both (!) but UM accepting more CC kids has helped my immediate family greatly. As of now he's at UM kicking ass so maybe that's a testament to or indictment of the public HS teaching system? Maybe it's an individual case? Either way, I'm glad they are doing this.

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JediLow

September 4th, 2014 at 5:47 PM ^

Veterinarians only go for their grad degree, the amount that actually go to MSU wanting to do veterinary science is pretty small (and the amount of MSU undergrads that transitioned to the vet school is pretty small looking at the people my wife was in school with).

 

In the 6 years I worked with students at State... all of 3 of them chose MSU over Michigan (and only 1 wasn't in a specialized program). The thing that most people don't talk about is that the majority of them tried to get into U of M and couldn't (or knew they couldn't get in at all and didn't even bother applying).

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M-Dog

September 4th, 2014 at 9:59 AM ^

26% pick Ohio State over Michigan.
 
Wow, how can people so dumb be admitted into Michigan in the first place?  We really need to tighten our admission standards.
 

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m0ediggity

September 4th, 2014 at 1:40 PM ^

But why would someone from Ohio apply to both UM and OSU if tuition is ultimately the deciding factor?  It isn't as if someone rejected by OSU would in turn be accepted by UM.  And I don't really mean that to sound elitist -- it just doesn't make sense given OSU's stated commitment to the "people of Ohio".  It would be interesting to read how the question of preference is written.

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James Burrill Angell

September 4th, 2014 at 2:44 PM ^

The hope that you might get money from Michigan. I know many kids in-state and out who apply to a school but know they can't go if they don't get some kind of ride. In many cases they actually will call the school after acceptance and tell them they have no hope of going there unless they get financial assistance. Sometimes they'll find money if the kid did well enough academically. Other times they won't and the kid will go elsewhere.

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James Burrill Angell

September 4th, 2014 at 10:02 AM ^

I've mentioned before I do student recruiting for Michigan as part of the ASR program. Part of the reason we lose people is because MSU often targets our middle range students for what are known as merit scholarships (a merit scholarship is based solely on grades and ACT and doesn't take need into account) state's endowment is drastically behind ours and their merit scholarship program is about 20% of ours . however, when they target kids in the middle of our pack who aren't academically strong enough to get Michigan merit scholarships it's hard for some of these kids to turn away from a full or partial rode from a lesser school as opposed to having take out loans to go to Michigan.

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alum96

September 4th, 2014 at 10:17 AM ^

Yes I am one of those people.  I received merit aid (partial) from MSU, a full ride from Wayne State, and nothing from U of M.  As an in state those were the 3 "bigger" schools in the state so I decided to apply to all to see how it would vary.   I am sure a lot of people on these boards got merit money to go to U of M but almost no one I knew in HS got any.

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Maximinus Thrax

September 4th, 2014 at 10:26 AM ^

I was in the opposite situation.  I received around $2,300/semester from M (I don't recall what the particular form of aid ws called), WHEREAS Sparty's financial Aid office only offered Student Loans.  In effect, I was priced out of MSU but was easily able to afford M.  Worked out perfectly

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maiznblue

September 4th, 2014 at 10:07 AM ^

I'm a veterinarian and I still chose Michigan. I also didn't apply to state though. Went to vet school at msu for four years though and if I didn't have Michigan and Ann Arbor to compare I'm sure it would have been fun. However, I did, and East Lansing falls way short.

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A State Fan

September 4th, 2014 at 11:34 AM ^

Honestly probably 80% of my decision was based on convienence.

Things I liked about MSU:

- It was close to home

- Most my close friends were going there

- I liked the dorm room setup better

- I could be in my major from the beginning

- I was a State fan growing up

 

Things I didn't like about Michigan:

- It felt pretty impersonal, I didn't enjoy the tour I took of campus

- I got the impression I couldn't be in the business school as an undergrad (is that even true?)

- I didn't really have any friends going there

 

I spent a ton of time in A2 my junior and senior years (my wife graduated from Michigan), and I now love a lot of things about Michigan and A2. Charley's is one of my favorite places to go when I'm back in Michigan. 

I probably didn't put enough thought into choosing where I was going to school, but I loved my time at MSU and am glad I spent 4 years there.

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umchicago

September 4th, 2014 at 12:06 PM ^

"I got the impression I couldn't be in the business school as an undergrad (is that even true?)"

Did you do any due diligence?  Unless things have changed recently, you take the basics for two years then apply to the business school for your final two years.  You have to prove your way into the B school.  That's why it's among the best.

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robpollard

September 4th, 2014 at 12:35 PM ^

First, the B-school has had a BBA program for at least 70 years. It's not like Northwestern, which just has a grad program.

Second, about 10-15 years ago, the BBA program went to a 3-year program (from 2-years). Additionally, you can now apply directly out of high school ("preferred admsion for exceptional high school students"), though most come "transfer" from LS&A, etc after their freshman year.

http://michiganross.umich.edu/programs/bba/application-requirements

State Fan, either you really screwed up not knowing that or someone at UM really dropped the ball.

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