at least it's not just us?
8 suspended sparties return / 4 transferring
It's about time Winston got kicked off that team. It only took two assaults.
That Dantonio is a real disciplinarian.
Whatever happened to that? Apparently it only applies to players buried on the depth chart. Contributers have a 3 strikes rule or something.
Zero tolerance - fifty percent of the time, it works every time
ugh. again... scroll below. Dantonio has not shifted his approach with this move. none of these players had a 'first strike' which would validate your comment.
indeed, just ask Kevin grady
Heh! It's actually 66.7% tolerance.
Family values dude, family values.
harsh penalties are harsh
except when they're not.
Nice going, Coach Dantonio, letting these guys back even before the justice system has its say. I hope you at least make them run bleachers at 6:00 am or something, maybe write (lol) letters of apology to the victims of MSU Fraternity Nerd Beatdown '09.
Hopefully, that won't be a mandatory practice/workout for those guys.
I recommend that everyone leave a kind message for Dantonio underneath the story. It is time to begin paying back the MSU haters.
I already did.
This situation is becoming more tiresome and disturbing as time passes. I am just trying to figure out what Saint Dantonio has on the press here. It's like he has embarassing pics of every single fucking reporter in the state.
Why does he constantly get a free pass for much more than RR gets sodomized for?
Why does the press so deperately want to see MSU do well?
And why does the press want to see RR fail when he gives them twice as much access as Bo, Mo, or Carr ever did?
Now that we are beyond the initial shitstorm that occurred when RR arrived here, I think it is smooth sailing into the future. Also, I believe the Michigan anti-RR factions are beginning to realize that hoping for him to fail is not going to be beneficial in any way. Just my two cents.....
please see Drew Sharp article on freep.com
Dantonio, "You lack a discipline."
Pretty ironic all the starters like Dell and Cunningham made it back.
is all i can say... none of these kids should even be allowed any where near the practice facility until the court rules on the case... but he didn't say if they were going to be able to participate in spring practice...
MSU still has a shot at winning the MAC.
UM fans can't exactly make jokes like this after these past two seasons...
no, im joking about the last 100 meetings.
"There is a no tolerance policy after the first offense." I seriously read that somewhere. Ridiculous.
is search for your comment before you make it. it's easy to shout outrage at a quote you 'seriously read somewhere.' however, when one Googles "Dantonio" "tolerance policy" they find... drumroll...
Dantonio said that their dismissals were permanent, citing a “zero tolerance” policy for players receiving second chances.
unless any of these four players had already gotten in trouble, he hasn't gone back on this quote.
ANGRY RETORT FTW!
So is it even theoretically possible for a Spartan player to be kicked off the team after his first offense? Are players guaranteed one (literal) get-out-of-jail card?
*nudge nudge wink wink* Say no more, say no more.
that's my entire point. people are harping like he said he wouldn't give out second chances. the bigger issue is if there is ever going to be a point that he doesn't. well done.
The four players who have transferred or are "considering their options" are scrubs, while the impact players are all fit to come back. Amazing how that works!
I'm glad Dantonio is giving these guys a break; they just spartied a little too hard and got carried away...
Five players -- Dell, Cunningham, Chris L. Rucker, Smith and Deane -- are "on the team right now," Dantonio confirmed.
What a remarkable coincidence that these happen to be the best players in the group.
What a joke. The thugs of the Big Ten.
I am a Michigan fan through and through, so making fun of Sparty is fun and all, and I am one of the first to yell "burn your own couch!" at UofM/MSU games...
However, I think MarkyD has made an even more serious error here then he did putting Winston back on the team after his first arrest for beating students.
What he just said was that he does not care if a good chunk of the team, after a team event, goes to a dorm in masse and beats up other students in a pre-planned attack. He cares so little he will put you back on the team while your criminal charges are still pending.
There isn't really any reason for him to put them back on the team this month. No super critical time deadlines.
I think he sent the exact wrong message to the players, and I think he will have a crapload more trouble down the road because of it.
love to see one of these kids get into trouble again, just so dantonio has to do something... suspending kids for a bowl game is all fine and dandy for a minor issue... but when a group of players conspire to go and beat up a bunch of students a one game suspension just isn't enough...
but they didn't beat up a bunch of students.....that is 100% fact. There was a thorough investigation.
trollers from the RCMB bringing it strong. so i'm guessing the kid treated for a goose egg and various others who reported being either hit or shoved in the face just 'made it up?'
So...Last year, Dantonio suspended Winston for...wait for it...wait for it...only the bowl game. This year, after the Potluck Massacre (sorry, I just love saying that), the involved players (at least those not in violation of previous criminal probation) were suspended for...here it comes...only the bowl game.
Am I the only one noting the irony in that? Where is this new discipline? A more violent (at least in terms of size of beat-down possee) crime is greeted by the same light punishment. Of course, you guys have already made the great point that the good players are all welcomed back.
Looks like MSU is just "The U" without good weather or winning.
"Looks like MSU is just "The U" without good weather or winning."
just what Dantonio promised
All the evidence revealed so far... Ranging from the statements from the witnesses, the statements from the players and their families, the statements from the DA, and the charges themselves suggest that Winston, Jenrette and possibly Leggett were the only MSU players that actually threw punches.
All 3 are permanently off the team.
All the remaining players were charged with only 1 count of assault or assault and battery which the DA himself suggested could be satisfied simply by the player being present in the room and/or putting their hand on someone's shoulder. If, during the course of this case, it is revealed that another MSU player struck someone I have no doubt that Dantonio will immediately re-suspend, or more likely, kick that player off the team. Dantonio has taken a lot of heat over this affair and probably won't be as lenient as he has in the past.
Time will tell, but his reinstatement of the remaining players right now doesn't really mean much as we'll know the result of any legal action by the time spring practice starts.
You left out the conspiracy charges. It isn't like those who didn't throw punches just happened to be in the same room, hoping for some extra mac n cheese. They were there as part of the attack. You don't need to throw a punch to be just as involved as the puncher.
The conspiracy charges relate to events preceding the actual incident in which it is likely all the players are guilty as I doubt they just didn't happen to wander into the situation unaware of what was going to happen. The assault charges could be satisfied by simply being in the same room and the assault and battery charges could be technically satisfied by simply touching someone over the course of the incident.
So it's very likely that many of the football players charged could be guilty of 1,2 or all 3 of the misdemeanor charges, but the punishment levied by the court will be the most telling part. For example, it is unlikely that a player who discussed the plan to crash the potluck earlier, stood by as another player was fighting, and may have bumped into someone at some point will receive much punishment beyond probation even though they were found guilty of all 3 charges. If a player actually punched someone, the punishment from the court AND from Dantonio will likely be a little more serious.
Who cares if they actually punched someone. Dantonio just made it loud and clear that you can go around and bully whoever you want around campus. Do you think these kids wouldn't have thrown a punch if they needed to? Gang intimidation is nothing, right? I mean, they only attended the gang beatdown to watch, not to actually do anything, right? And for you to say that reinstating them doesn't mean anything just means that you don't fully understand the difference between being suspended and not being suspended. Team meetings and practice facilities are sort of a big deal in the offseason.
Well, I'm sure the court cares.
The reasonable approach is to withhold judgment until the legal proceedings have run their course, no?
Besides, if a player is eventually found innocent of all charges, Couldn't it have been considered unjust for him to have remain suspended this whole time?
You know, innocent until proven guilty and all that jazz.
In that case, they all should have played in the bowl game.
Well, the official reason given for the players missing the bowl game was not due to the charges but rather for "violating team rules".
You think intimidation and "bullying" should get these players kicked off the team? Go find a group of football players, from any school, and even cut them in line at a bar.....
Trick question, football players don't wait in bar lines.
man, pryor was SUCH a dick when he thought i cut the line
Are you suggesting that if I cut in front of one football player in line, he would bring 15 friends in order to beat me up? My original point is that the kids should be kicked off the team because they conspired to commit a crime and then lied to their coach about it after they figured out it was on tape. They should actually be kicked off the team for being a bunch of morons, but criminal charges being brought up against them doesn't make it as obvious.
Actually, the conspiracy to commit assault charge would not stand if the attack were not carried out. Of course that occurred prior to the attack; that's the entire reason conspiracy carries some serious time.
Assault could not be charged merely because they "stood in the same room". They would have to put a potential victim in a position to reasonably fear a battery.