mesmerism! presidential assassinations! circuses on fire!
8 Spartans suspended
SOS, i guess..
Yeah. A few starters and some guys that get significant time. Gonna hurt them in the bowl game if they are not allowed to play.
Let's hope these players take better advantage of their second chance than Winston did.
Lets hope that they don't!
MadtownMaize (OT Michigan) was right. Just a little off on the 15-20 number.
Nice call. Give that guy a Pulitzer.
from the Freep (so I won't link) but
The release also states that MSU Police have identified 10 suspects and are looking to identify five more. It's unclear whether any of the remaining five are football players.
According to the release, “the 10 suspects were identified following interviews with victims, witnesses and a review of on-site video. The evidence regarding the actions of all suspects is still being collected.”
So there are still five suspects to be identified, could be some players in that group
I will never doubt MadtownMaize again. He is a clairvoyant.
do the Sparty's who forgot to bring their ski masks to the banquet feel about now?
Its just a hunch, but I am guessing that the five remaining suspects who have not been identified were the ones wearing the masks.
...MadtownMaize, is a fuckin' genius. Take notes boys.
Per the article posted by the other brian... "B.J. Cunningham, Mark Dell, Ashton Leggett, Chris L. Rucker, Fred Smith, Brynden Trawick, Ishmyl Johnson and Jamiihr Williams have been suspended for violation of team rules,
Didn't RR recruit Fred Smith?
Rosenberg's piece tommorrow: "Rodriguez's 'Win at All Costs' mentality corrupts naive MSU player."
In an exclusive interview with Fred Smith, Rosenberg "elicits" the following quote from the hurt and confused Spartan: "After I met RR, my life just lost all sense of direction. It's like I'm a totally different person...a much worse person. Fortunately, Coach Dantonio promised to baptize me tommorrow in the team whirlpool. I'm confident that my life is heading in the right direction under his firm, yet gentle hand."
Now we just have to wait to see if there are any actual sanctions.
Like, are they not allowed to practice with the team but they can be AT practice and just happen to be running routes while the rest of the team does the same thing?
Or perhaps this suspension is set to expire 5 days before the bowl game so as to make sure they get the idea. Next time, don't leave witnesses.
Mike Rosenberg finds this to be erroneous.
But that damn Justin Feagin...
Some good schadenfreude right there.
Big names held by little men. These guys are cowards and suspension is too good for them. But you can't blame Dantonio. He goes to church every Sunday.
He might want to give these guys a second chance. Forgive and forget.
None of them were packing!
you can see MSU's athletic facilities in the first 20 seconds of the video
Four of the players are starters and nothing yet on the Detroit newspapers sites yet....amazing double standard....
Huh, if they are suspended for a few practices and then play in the bowl game -- Dantonio should be fired!
Heck, if he keeps on beating us there is no way he'll be fired.
I await with baited breath...
To Valenti's defense, he wasn't in favor of bringing Winston back.
The difference between what Valenti says about MSU and U of M is his attitude. He may be upset about what's going on at MSU, but I don't hear him saying that Dantonio should be fired and how he's ruining the program and is the worst thing that ever happened to the school. MSU's players carry out a premeditated violent hate crime and it's a very bad thing. Boo Boo doesn't show up to some study sessions and a couple practices and it's the arrival of the Antichrist.
OK because he didn't damage anything important.
MSU v UM Next Year at the Big House
BLACK SKI MASK OUT......Complete Stadium with Black Ski Masks?
I think it would be funny....
(Edit On second Thought, it might make the Spartans feel too much like a Home game, with stands filled with apparent criminals in ski mask)
PS I can Out Drive Tiger Woods
Just really disappointing. Even as an M fan, I feel bad about this. These players should have known better. Winston was lucky to get off with as little punishment as he did, and to be allowed back on the football team. I question Dantonio letting him back on the team immediately, but I'm all for giving kids second chances. You'd like to think he's better off at a college than he is on the streets without an education. Players should have learned from Winston's situation and it's one thing to take similar actions, but a whole other monster to take these actions with Winston. They gotta know that good things are not going to result from goofing around with this guy. Gotta influence him in a positive way and not let him influence you in a negative way. Frustrating to see from kids to say the least.
I'm surprised that Dell and Cunningham were on the list - those are legit targets for one of the better passing offenses in America.
I'm sure they will be suspended until the second series of the bowl game, when all will be forgotten and MSU ekes out a hard-fought 47-20 loss to CMU.
8 suspended plus two kicked off team = 10. There are 10 Commandments! Just like how the 7 wins was a sign of biblical completion, this is a sign that the Spartans are on a religious path to eventual glory. They didn't kill anyone, and there is no commandment that:
"thou shall not beat the shit out of innocent undergrads."
It will be interesting to see how this plays out in the News vs. the Freep (and the LSJ as well).
I am hopeful the ski mask thing can live long in U-M/MSU legend. I am even more hopeful that the U-M program will do absolutely nothing to top this (in terms of infamy) for the next twenty years.
or, like, ever
Cmon Spartan players, don't beat up the smart ones on campus! There is so few of them to start with. Rumor has it that the 5 incoming students that can already do basic algebra are starting to look else where for the education. 2 of the 5 are applying to the hair college down the road, and one of them has already been accepted to hamburger university. That doesn't leave too many to do your school work errrrr tudor you for the upcoming semester. please be more selective in who you target.
but you opened the door with a comment about "smart" people
There ARE so few of them to start with
PS: I didn't neg you, I would have if you had written "their"
At first I was going to respond all defensively about your grammar correction, then I thought about fixing my mistake so people would wonder what your post was all about. ahh hell, I messed up. And yes it is pretty ironic that my post was about MSU students not being very smart, and instead nailed myself. What is really funny is in another post I looked up "prestigious" to make sure I spelled it right so I wouldn't look stupid. It's true, I'm not smart enough to be an U of M alum, but I am smart enough to be a fan. Go Blue!
Eh, I dont know what to think about this.
I will wait for Rosenberg and Doctor Worm to explain how a program with a gang of starters plotting a breaking and entering and violent attack compares to one guy deep on the depth chart comitting fraud by brokering a fake drug deal before making any judgement.
What do you want? Seriously, what do you want? Should Dantonio have executed them? Rodriguez is covering up NCAA infractions, there have been no further reports on the rape of an innocent woman by a Michigan football player, yet Dantonio takes action on this within a week, suspending key players from the team. Yet somehow you're still complaining about Dantonio? You people are beyond obsessed. You've whipped yourselves into a frenzy of jealousy and hatred, and I can't say I blame you. Being afterthoughts in every major sport must rankle for an institution that prides itself on being the leaders and the best.
If those guys are thugs, then deal with them as thugs. But for strangers to cast judgment on a case where they don't know the facts is ridiculous. Villifying Dantonio when he punished the players involved is crazy. Dantonio is at fault because of what his players did, even when he meted out punishment? Is Rodriguez then at fault for all the crimes his players have ever committed? That's a pretty long list. Are you sure you want to apply this standard to coaches?
but you're the one posting on a University of Michigan sports blog....
It's a green ski mask.
Rodriguez acted swiftly in the Feagin case.
There aren't any infractions, it is a witch hunt.
Would you have beat Michigan without Glenn Winston this year?
And what facts are you talking about? An angry gang of large men raged into a dorm room and beat the hell out of women and engineering students... er... women
The reason we are all bitching about Dantonio is because these players have been suspended and will probably be back just in time for the bowl game.
Actually, I wasnt even complainging about Dantonio. Or blaming him for anything.
Didnt even mention him in my post.
I was mocking Rosenberg. And, poking a little fun at you, my green and white friend, in the process. I mean, c'mon I was too busy at work to get in on the pile fest during the last thread.
Good luck against the Heels tonight.
That is all
that you castigate "strangers who cast judgment on a case where they don't know the facts..." just after you accuse Rich Rodriguez of covering up NCAA infractions and a Michigan football player of committing rape. Please enlighten me. You seem to have all the facts, Doctor Worm. I think what "rankles" us is the double-standard in the media. Rodriguez is lambasted in the press for overworking his players and recruiting young men with character issues. Explain to me how Winston does not have character issues or any of the thugs involved in this incident for that matter. And do you honestly think the Spartan football team doesn't exceed the 20 hour per week limit? Even if they do so voluntarily? And since nothing has emerged from that investigation, I'm suspending judgment. You should, too. We are angry because the aforementioned double-standard seems to exist as an accepted part of reality. Nonsense. I, for one, am glad Dantonio took prompt action and punished these players. On the other hand, I'm still peeved that Rodriguez has to be the whipping boy of the state because of Dantonio's saintly persona. It's bullshit.
You missed the point of the earlier post and it's continuing again.
Once again really slowly.
The problem is how ROSENBERG deals with each situation. Michigan guy is thrown off the team and it comes out that he ripped off a guy on a fake drug deal. The guy hadn't gotten in any real legal trouble before and his high school coach said he wasn't aware of anything. Rosenberg: RODRIGUEZ WIN AT ALL COSTS, SHOULD HAVE KNOWN. Michigan State guy is allowed to walk from jail to the practice field, and he's again busted for a second premeditated gang beating less than six months after leaving jail. Rosenberg: makes excuses for Dantonio and acts as if it's all no big deal.
The seeming attack on Dantonio is more about the freeps double standard than the coach. And, don't need to know all the facts to have an oppinion about players breaking into a building and beating up people.
I am no Dantonio hater. I respect him for being a solid guy, and probably a good coach. Kudos for him for suspending the players that made a poor decision.
But..... "the rape of an innocent woman by a Michigan football player" is a quote from you Dr. Worm. Then in the same post, you call others ridiculous for casting judgment when they do not know the facts.
So everyone, Dr. Worm is either:
A. The innocent girl that got raped by a Michigan player, because she would certainly know the facts.
B. The rapist Michigan player.
C. Full of shit and hypocritical for spouting his "ridiculous" mouth off when he is not certain of the "facts".
I think that before and after this thread, we pretty much all would bet the farm on C.
because he approved of the behavior by the way he handled he the fist Winston case. I'm not sure I have a RB so maybe I need to let him come straight from the jail cell to the practice field. Therefore, Dantonio is complacent in the second incident by not setting precedence the first time thug life took over in Spartyville.
That may have been unintentional, but it was awesome.