7-5; losses to MSU, Iowa, Neb., OSU.

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7-5; losses to MSU, Iowa, Neb., OSU. 

No, that's not a summary of 2010.  Substitute "Loss at home to Nebraska," for "Loss at home to Wisconsin."  It's a prediction for 2011.  Not my prediction; I don't do predictions and I'm not very good at them.

It's the long-winded prediction of one "Jon Machota" who is apparently a "Special Writer" for the Detroit Free Press.  I think "Special Writer" means, "Guy from whom we can get some occasional page-filler, without keeping him on the payroll and enrolling him on the Freep Blue Cross policy."

Anyway, to fill up nearly an entire page of the largely content-free Sunday Free Press sports section, they asked Mr. Jon Machota (who seems to drift between the Dallas Morning News and the Free Press and wherever else in between that he can sell his stories) to do a "Future Watch" consisting of a game-by-game rundown of the 2011 season.  It is a silly exercise, regurgitating every one of the common 2010 myths about every team on Michigan's upcoming schedule, and of course defining in precise terms a Michigan team that nobody, I'd suppose, knows much about, yet.

The Freep sports editors had the chutzpah (or the self-effacement) to say this about the Machota feature: 

So clip and save, because you read it here first:

Now, I am not going to worry about a season's worth of predictions, almost a year in advance, and I recommend that you don't, either.  Who knows what will happen?  But what got me was the way the guy ended the predictive-summary of the OSU game.  It was essentially the last paragraph of the article.  I've added my emphasis in the block quote:

Prediction: Pryor and his buddies are not returning for their senior years so that U-M can end its seven-game losing skid to OSU. Even at the Big House, Hoke's gang won't have enough for a Bo-like first-year upset. This will be a closer game -- only a nine-point difference -- than in the last few years. Despite the same 7-5 record as 2010, the U-M fan base will feel energized and like the defensive progress.

"Energized," eh?  And the metric for our feeling "energized," is what, exactly?  As ever, "Michigan," as the topic of the day, just rules for the Freep.  It's mo-ney.  Cover stories, complete sections, in-depth analyses.  They pulled in a half a dozen writers for the five-and-a-half full pages that they devoted to the Hoke-a-mania hiring day in the Sports section, not including Michael Rosenberg's column that occupied the paper's front page below the fold -- only because the Hoke-a-mania headline occpied the space above the fold.

Anyway, here's to 7-5, and losses to MSU, Iowa, Nebraska, and OSU.  With the "Michigan Man" who is now beloved by our favorite local newspaper.  Oh, and feeling energized, too.

In the hope that no one will feel the need to look up the Machota story at Freep.com and give them the page-click that they want from us (you really won't be missing anything), here is the rundown on the Machota 2011 Prediction:

Western - W

Notre Dame - L

Eastern - W

San Diego St. - W

Minnesota - W

Northwestern - W

Michigan State - L

Purdue - W

Iowa - L

Illinois - W

Nebraska - L

Ohio State - L

Bando Calrissian

January 16th, 2011 at 10:33 PM ^

Little secret:  These articles are always laughably wrong.  None offer any insight aside from projection and opinion.  All subjective.  No one can tell the future, though pretty much every news outlet fills the offseason with stuff like this.  

Why?  Because, little secret, newspapers have to fill space.  The Freep does it, the News does it, AnnArbor.com does it, the Daily does it...  It's an easy fill.  Now, if you're taking issue that it's being published in January, well, yeah, go right ahead.  But let's not pretend like this is something incredibly novel or unusual.

This is just another excuse to start a Freep thread.

When is a boycott a boycott?

Section 1

January 16th, 2011 at 10:52 PM ^

but last year, Mark Snyder did this exercise for the Freep.  He predicted 7-5, and had just about all of the games called correctly.

Honestly, as I am sure you understand, the last thing I wanted to do was to start an earnest discussion about whether Michigan would go 3-8, or 11-1, or anything in between.  I get the impression that the Freep was right, when they roll out garbage like this looking for page-hits.  Not "right" in terms of a correct prediction.  "Right" in the sense that its the kind of crap people will read and click on and debate and fight about.  Even here, it seems to be irresistable; everybody wants to weigh in with their picks.  Apparently, if it is a barroom argument that anybody wants, the Free Press guys are not so dumb.

No, my point was the larger one.  The sobering one.  If "7-and-5, with losses to MSU, Iowa Wisc./Neb. and OSU," is so awful that it gets Michigan football coaches fired, then what exactly are we doing now?  We're supposed to feel "energized"?  The same thing is going to be "energizing" next year with a new guy, when before it was an alleged disaster?

Bando Calrissian

January 16th, 2011 at 10:54 PM ^

Who cares?  It's a preseason "this is how they'll finish" article.  No reads anything into these.  It's just filler that you read because it's the offseason and, well, what else are you going to read about in the offseason?  

You see "Michigan Football" in the header, you read it, you start waxing poetic in your mind about the glories of the fall, the smell of the grass (er...  FieldTurf), the shine of the sun off the winged helmets as the men of michigan run under the M Club banner...

That's what this is about.  It's January.  We all wish it was September.

And if you only see "well, how can I scour this one for poor journalism?" when you see "Michigan Football" in the header, well, maybe you've let the obsession get the best of you.

Blue_Sox

January 16th, 2011 at 11:16 PM ^

Why does this stuff rile you up so much? It's some guy with a prediction in January about what results will be 9-11 months from now. It is nothing more than something to get page views. Clearly this has worked on you and not the rest of us because we don't give a crap. No one has any idea what our defense will look like, what our offense will look like under a new regime, or what other teams are really going to look like. 

Just LET IT GO! Please. We are all trying to forget about the Freep but you constantly throwing it in our faces really doesn't help. 

The program

January 16th, 2011 at 10:39 PM ^

It is way to early to make a call on next years Michigan team but I am not sure where he is getting the love for Iowa they lose 5 starter on offense including rick Stanzi, and six starters on Defense including future first round pick Adrian Clayborn and a great kicker in Ryan Donahue.  They have three really good players in Mike Daniels, Marvin Mcnutt, and Riley Reiff but after that they have a huge drop off in talent.

Hoke-A-Hey

January 16th, 2011 at 10:45 PM ^

With all of our returning starters we have coming back, coupled with the early thoughts of an actual defense playing with toughness and grit, have placed my expectations at 8 wins.

jmblue

January 16th, 2011 at 10:53 PM ^

I'm beginning to think that you are a closet Freep lover and that this is some kind of reverse psychology on your part to get us interested in viewing their site. 

Section 1

January 16th, 2011 at 11:07 PM ^

And to you and anybody who reads this; I assure you, you won't get anything of importance out of the rest of the article.  I think I gave you everything that was worth considering.  But it's a free World Wide Web.  You can surf anywhere you'd like.  Charlie don't surf.

As I mentioned to Bando, I'm a little astonished that anybody would jump into prediction mode, arguing about whether we'll beat ND at home or MSU on the road.

Again, my point was the here-and-now.  How the newspaper that is fawning all over Brady Hoke today is telling us (admittedly, these are bylined features) that we'll get the same results next year, but we'll feel "energized" about it.  Unlike last month, when those exact, same results were deemed a disastrous firing offense by every columnist in the city. 

uminks

January 16th, 2011 at 11:01 PM ^

I'll root for them in all their games.  I hope the defense can make some big strides this year! May be we'll have a great season which will help out next season's recruiting. One game I know is already circled on the calendar and that is the last home game against OSU. I have a good feeling that this awful streak could be coming to an end in 2011 season.

Lenny Law

January 16th, 2011 at 11:02 PM ^

but I definitely feel that 9 is pretty obtainable too. ND and Iowa are both winnable games. And anytime you have a Denard  Robinson in the fold you got a chance to be special. If the defense just improves a little, they could be an easy 9 game winner.

mwolverineforlife

January 16th, 2011 at 11:26 PM ^

Until after signing day,

After we have coordinators,

And after the spring game,

And after mulitiple thousand word essays by Brian and Misopogan before we jump to conclusion

 

Seriously it's getting old.

michiganfanforlife

January 16th, 2011 at 11:27 PM ^

screw the freep, the horse they rode in on, all their writers and the people who pay for that rag of a junk pile.

Secondly -  I have to agree that we should probably wait and find out

1. Who is really staying/going from our current team.

2. Who will make up the remaining guys to sign with UM soon

3. What other coaches will be hired.

4. What we look like at the spring game.

Even with all this info the record will be hard to guess at, but right now it's like trying to open a can of tomatoes with sticks of butter.

Tater

January 17th, 2011 at 12:00 AM ^

The first question is "what do Hoke and Borges mean when they say they will adapt the offense to Denard?" 

I will use a very simlar turnaround at USF as an example.  They went from Leavitt's spread to an offense that looks a lot like what they ran at SDSU last year.  They looked like the hiring was a terrible mistake the first half of the season.  But as they became more familiar with the offense, they beat a couple of teams they usually don't beat at the end of the year. 

If Hoke and Borges don't have many spread plays in their book, and they just plan on calling a few runs for Denard each game to make him happy, the curve could be similar.  Luckily for Michigan, most of their tough games are in the second half of the schedule.  If they get lucky, they may lose only to ND and beat little brother to start out at 6-1. 

I would expect them to suffer one stupid upset somewhere along the line, but I think they will start doing a Tressel and practice a little bit every day for OSU.  At this point, I think they should get to eight or nine wins, and if OSU's Memorabilia Five don't come back, Hoke could make everyone very happy come November. 

Denard staying is incredibly huge for the program, and the teams that were really strong last year were senior-laden and will sustain heavy losses due to graduation. To me, it looks like ND and Nebraska are the only "sure losses" on the schedule.  But, as we all know, shit happens, and they will lose a game or two that they "shouldn't lose." 

I know it's early, but I'll take 8-4 and see if the depth Nebraska provides to the conference gets Michigan matched up against a bowl opponent they can beat.  It isn't the 11 games I thought they might have won with RR, but it will be enough to keep a lot of people happy. 

For this year, that will probably have to be enough. 

Eye of the Tiger

January 17th, 2011 at 12:04 AM ^

For one thing, not a single one of these predictions shows anything but conventional wisdom. Last year, under RR, we managed to do the unthinkable: live the conventional wisdom and win exactly the games people thought we would, and lose exactly the games people thought we would.  But that's not normal.  Most mediocre teams win at least one upset, and lose at least one "sure thing."  

I do expect us to be middling good next year, and doubt we'll win fewer than 6 or more than 9, but I think the least thing the writer could have done is go a little deeper than "well, gee, it looks this way this year, so next year's gotta be just like it..."

The one place he does that is with Notre Dame, who do look to be better than they were this year.  How about Northwestern?  They return most of a good offense, but what about their defense?  How about Iowa, which will be missing Stanzi, Robinson, Clayborn, Johnson-Koulianos and a whole bunch of other starters?  We played them close the last two years and now we get them without these guys.  How about MSU?  Sure they don't lose a lot of guys, but one of those guys is Greg Jones, and we should be in that game.  Finally, we've got to consider a Nebraska team that looked sharp early but really limped to the finish this year.  Can they handle the increased physicality of the Big 10?  We play them late, when they were at their worst this year.  Sure, so were we, but we've got a new coaching staff that aims to emphasize "toughness" and looks to have more bodies in the secondary than we did this year.  

Not saying anything will necessarily play out differently--it's just too damned early to say much of anything--but just that the writer shows little imagination and less depth in tackling the subject.  

 

UMxWolverines

January 17th, 2011 at 12:13 AM ^

I don't know Section 1 but it is literally IMPOSSIBLE at this point to speculate on this year's team when last year's team just finished playing, we just got a new coach, we're still recruiting, and we don't know how good or bad the offense or defense will be. So we really can't assume ANYTHING at this point. 

Section 1

January 17th, 2011 at 12:41 AM ^

I was the first one to suggest what colossal silliness it all was, to predict anything.  I didn't make any predictions; I was laughing at the guy who was making predictions.

Again, for about the third time, I don't give a rip about what anybody predicts.

But if someone is going to predict 7-and-5, with losses to MSU, Iowa, Nebrasksa and Ohio State, in the very same newspaper that is singing Brady Hoke's praises unto the heavens, can anybody please explain how that is supposed to leave us feeling "energized"?  If it all comes down to results on the field (not my standard; that's the meme that the Freep has been supplying ever since the NCAA violations story ran out of gas), what is so "energizing" about 7-5?

Section 1

January 17th, 2011 at 10:41 AM ^

It was yet more of his regurgitation of the conventional wisdom.  The defense will be a little better, next year.  Some better personnel, lots of returing starters, kids being a year older in some very physical positions like LB, a new scheme/DC(?!), yada, yaddi, yada.  Isn't that what everybody might rightly expect?  Whether the head football in 2011 coach were to be Hoke, Rodriguez or Lee Corso?

How does Hoke rate a special "Energized" status?

d_blue

January 17th, 2011 at 12:16 AM ^

Maybe I'm either drinking delicious blue kool-aid or am an early and previousky unbeknownst Hoke-maniac, but I see us winning 2/3 of ND, ytMSU, and OSU games for 9-3 final.

moredamnsound

January 17th, 2011 at 12:38 AM ^

Most accurate time to predict the next season? Right when the last one ends, of course! No need to wait for signing, the spring game, or to hear how practice has been going.

And, if you're reading this, congrats! You've made it all the way to the third page like my comment! I came a little late to the His Dudeness downer party.

U Fer M

January 17th, 2011 at 7:13 AM ^

I think the losses next year will be closer and at least competitive, I can't see Hoke's team getting blown off the field. I heard a lot of "we just didn't execute" last year, bet that will change next year.

Salinger

January 17th, 2011 at 9:11 AM ^

That kind of garbage reporting is to be expected from the freep!  When I read it I was not surprised that he didn't stick his neck out on at least one big win.  I mean, anyone can predict 7-5 against that schedule.  He rolled with the opponent on every tough game!  How about a big U of M win at Notre Dame and an upset win at Iowa?

We will struggle against Nebraska, MSU and Ohio State, but of those three I think we could win against MSU (you never know when it comes to our in-state rivals) and Nebraska, depending on which team shows up.  OSU unfortunately should still own our asses next year.

Bobby Boucher

January 17th, 2011 at 9:43 AM ^

Maybe the reason why you're not so good at predictions is because you do them waaayy too early.  I think the majority of us don't try until at least after the spring game.

msoccer10

January 17th, 2011 at 10:12 AM ^

I think that 7-5 with the losses pointed out in the article should be the floor, assuming we don't have any more attrition. At least, I think that would have been the floor for Rodriguez. If hiring Hoke was the right choice, I would like to see him at least replicate what would have happened without a change, especially considering how much this coaching change will hurt our recruiting.

Section 1

January 17th, 2011 at 10:49 AM ^

I think expectations would have been higher.  Rightly or wrongly, the expectations and demands would have been much higher, than a statistical repeat of 2010.

So again, setting aside whether a 7-5 prediction for 2011 is actually accurate, let's just try to figure out why it would be "energizing" if it happened.

I really do think that there might be a reason why a Free Press "Special Contributor" might write that.  It is because Hoke-puffery is such saleable pulp for the Free Press readership right now.  He's a "Michigan Man."  He's got spirit.  He pumps his fists.  He's been here before and everybody just loves him.  He's from Ohio and like aren't all those cool football coaches in the black and white photos from Ohio?