Resort to name calling. Real mature, buddy.
that's unfortunate, but at least the interest is there on both sides
Resort to name calling. Real mature, buddy.
a team with Henne, Hart, Long, Manningham, Arrington and a defense that would end up 30ish in the country losing to an FCS team at home is around as acceptable as a 3-9 team beating another 3-9 team. The same FCS team that would lose to two other FCS teams before the season was out....
And yeah we weren't competitive against OSU and MSU at the end of last season, but looking at the team we threw out against Oregon (i.e. the above team I just mentioned) and getting beat just as badly as we did in those two games with a very incomplete team is a far worse loss in my opinion.
I believe this is who Jasper is referring to.
I remember Jonathan Stewart joking with the press about the Oregon/Michigan game. They were in the offensive huddle in the 4th trying to guess which Michigan defensive lineman was going to give up next. Combine that with the worst home loss in nearly 40 years.....yeah, that Oregon game was worse than any RR was coach for.
We were ranked #5 in the nation before App State.....600 yards to Oregon.....losing to Wisky and Ohio State...raise the bar or go root for Northwestern.
This is the dumbest comment ever.
NO, never, ever will be. This current team should be 9-3 minimum with this roster in this years BIG.
I fear that if we go 7-5, there is literally nothing one can do except accept the outcome.
I won't be happy with that though. That is a definite regression as a team,which makes no sense because we don't have two out of three incompetent units like we did last year and this year's schedule is softer.
In all honesty, after our lucky win over ND, 9-3 feels like improvement. 8-4 just means we traded in Wisconsin for Northwestern on our schedule this year. It also means we lost to OSU for the 8th straight time.
I think Borges gets his shit together, we murder Illinois and then win close ones against Nebraska and OSU to finish out the year. We're still in position to win out and go to BCS Bowl and I'll keep believing till the end.
Also, the Big Ten sucks this year.
What do you think Coach Hoke?
Before the season, maybe, but now 8-4 is the minimum in my opinion. 10-2 is obviously what I'd like but with three games left, I only want to win at least two.
A win over Ohio State will erase a lot of this.
It would erase all of it
A win over OSU will make my season. End the carnage!
We're 7-2. Don't worry about what may happen. Let it play out.
We've been in spots like this before with established staffs that had been here several years, and people are going to complain about a staff that's been here about 10 bloody months. Sometimes, people make me want to induce a coma by banging my head against the brick facade of my drafty old ranch house.
Hah, I've got the OP on this one guys.
We can't go 7-5, because we're going to a bowl game, which means we could go 7-6.
but I don't think that a) it's going to happen, or b) it's the end of the world if it does happen. I'll be disappointed but understand that the transition has been a bit shakier than hoped. And I'll have big expectations for 2012.
The schedule gets a lot tougher in 2012. We may start out 1-3 in the non-conference games. I will be happy with an 8-4 record in 2012.
we will win 9 games next year at least. bookmarket.
Given the state of the BIG this year, the fact we returned so many starters on both sides of the ball - hell NO!!
RRod would have gotten to 9-3 with this team even with GERG!
Has it come to this already? Wondering about how RR would have fared?
*sharpens edge of Alumni Association card in the event slitting of wrists becomes only way out*
Well it's Hoke's first year so I don't think "acceptable" really enters the conversation. It's more what do you expect going forward based on what you know right now?
I don't see us losing to Illinois as Zooker is just not good and their offense struggles against good defenses. We have one of those this year! I don't see us losing to a Nebraska team that just lost to Northwestern. O$U plays good enough defense to slow down our offense but IU just put up 20 on them in the Shoe, while the Huskers put up 34 on them on the road.
We can easily win all three games. We may not, but the schedule does work out reasonably well with Illinois on the road and NU and O$U at home. I feel pretty good about us winning 9 games this season. Is that acceptable? I sure think so but I'd prefer 10. I'm just greedy like that.
I don't know where the 8th win will come from........I am not sure if people are looking at this team objectively. We have struggled offensively against Notre Dame, Michigan State and now Iowa. This offense has regressed from last year and Denard looks lost most of the time.
QB Rating for Denard this year:
He's had a few stinkers (SDSU, MSU, IOWA and EMU) but he's also had some very solid games. He also wasn't helped out much today with some drops and some interesting rules interpretations by the referees. The offense is evolving to become more of what Borges wants to run.
QB rating is a wildly problematic stat. And Northwestern beating Nebraska might give hope if Iowa didn't just lose to Minnesota. Overreliance on the transative prperty is misleading.
QB rating is probably more misleading in RR's spread 'n shred. In Al Borges' offense QB rating is much more likely to represent how a QB performed. Denard still throws too many INTs but in games like yesterday's our receivers certainly didn't help him out by dropping quite a few catchable passes.
"I don't see us losing to a Nebraska team that just lost to Northwestern."
Yeah, and we should totally destroy Iowa because they lost to the Gophers, right?
We're playing Nebraska at home. You may have noticed that playing at home gives decent teams a distinct advantage over playing on the road.
NWU: 1-2 (!)
Here's NU and O$U's road record thus far:
Not exactly murder's row.
No but I'm drunk from sadness
Beat OSU. Win your bowl game.
I'm looking at them going 3-1 from here on out. Beating OSU.
1. Your comparison to how other teams played against Iowa earlier in the season is worthless. Just about very team in the Big10 has improved as the season has gone on except Wisconsin and Illinois off the top of my head, so there's no point comparing the scores to earlier in the year.
2. You better secure a good prozac dealer for next year because the road schedule looks like the 7 circles of hell next to this year.
to the men's room when they did our scheduling after divvying up the B1G. How on earth did anyone associated with Michigan think next year's home and away schedule was a good idea?
It's not about orchestrating wins. It's about taking on all comers whenever, wherever, however. F*** the CEOs and accountants and their cynical schedluing. The only reason to be a fan is for "your" team to take on every challenge and give its best. Otherwise,m the wins are a charade.
That is what i expect of myself and my chosen team. YMMV. I would rather lose to Bama than pummel Del State.
To start 6-0 get to 7-1 and finish 7-5 would not be acceptable, but it isn't unlikely. I believe we will overcome Illinois on the road next week, but I think we slip up against Nebraska and Ohio State. To those who say we're solid at home, the best team we beat at home was Notre Dame and that was somehwat of a miracle win. Our only B1G home wins have come against Purdue and Minnesota - not exactly two teams that can indicate how good your team truly is.
At the beginning of the season I predicted a 7-5 season, with us losing to ND but winning at Illinois. That outcome COULD be flipped, and we COULD end 7-5. Is it unacceptable? Unacceptable to who? Of course Hoke will say its unacceptable, but lets take a deep breath a remember this is basically RR's team--Hoke and Company came in in January and did what they could. Next season Hoke has his recruits coming in--how much can be expected from freshman playing the schedule we have next year is another question--but at least that will start to be Hoke's team.
Once we went 7-1, you could smell the winds of a cruel finish blowing in--losing the last four games just leaves a bad taste in your mouth, regardless of the competition level relative to the teams you beat to get to seven. It wasn't the media story of the post-MSMoo loss collapse, its that the schedule was loaded with "better" teams (and in this year of the Big Ten, just what the hell constitutes "better" is anyones guess). Denard is Denard, and I have said it before: he will never take you to the promised land. We can win games, some dramatic, some downright scary, but we will also lose games to good teams, and even lose games that we should have won. Shit happens. Give the Hoke regime some time and get the players that Hoke and Mattison and Uncle Fester want to play their system before we get out the pitch forks and torches.
Nope richrod would have done better than 7-5.
That is all.
That is all.
No, but it's going to happen so we may as well start figuring out the positives to look for in the ensuing beatings.
This will be the last loss of the season. BOOK IT.
A big part of the season is the bowl game. We keep posting about the regular season record. We work on this record to get to a big bowl game. It will be a significantly more acceptable season if we WIN the bowl game.
Acceptable? I don't think anything could happen record wise from here on out that would cause me to seriously question firing the coaching staff. It would leave a bad taste in my mouth.
I said six months ago that I would be satisfied with 7-5, happy with 8-4, really happy with 9-3, and ecstatic with 10-2 or better this year. It takes time and a lot of work to change schemes and staffs. It takes patience. Look at Hoke's results at each school in the long run. That will happen here. And people shouldn't discount just how difficult each game is to play in the big ten. Just look at the last three years.
We are on an upswing no matter what happens with these last few games. Unless we aren't even competitive, which we were today and will be.
Great. So in 5 years we can have a great season.
Remember Lloyd's final season the team finished 8-4 and went on to beat the Gators. This is the Hokester's first season coaching kids that were recruited by Lloyd and Rich Rod. He's doing the best with what he's got. Although Borges needs to stop overthinking his play calling
Remember when 7-5 was known as the "Year of Infinate Pain"? Does that answer your question?