6 reasons Michigan is not recruiting Ohio right now (from the OSU perspective)

Submitted by mGrowOld on

Interesting article this morning from one of the Cleveland.com beat writers for Ohio State on why Michigan is largely ignoring Ohio right now for recruiting.  This is obviously a major change in our historical pattern as both our recent Heisman winners plus countless other players through the years grew up in Ohio and then went north to play school football.  Kinda makes me a bit sad cause from 1992-1994 I was one of the recruiters assigned to Northern Ohio and know first hand just what a hotbed of talent this area represents.

http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2015/11/jim_harbaugh_michigan_no…

 

 

 

His Dudeness

November 24th, 2015 at 10:25 AM ^

Michigan isn't "ignoring" Ohio recruits. The recruits in OHIO are either full blown buckeyes not worth the effort of recruiting or simply not at Michigans level.

I don't know why people are losing thier shit over it.

 

DreisbachToHayes

November 24th, 2015 at 10:36 AM ^

Spend time on the ones that are good and that you can get.  Waste time on the ones that either aren't as good, are un-getable, or both.

It seems like you are operating under the assumption that time spent elsewhere (the other parts of the country noted... NJ, TX, CA, etc) would result in less gains than northern Ohio.

EGD

November 24th, 2015 at 10:37 AM ^

I think he is saying that a many Ohio players consider OSU their dream school and Michigan really has no chance if OSU wants them, so it's can be a waste of time to pursue those players, rather than focus your resources on other prospects elsewhere with whom you have a better chance.

joeyb

November 24th, 2015 at 11:20 AM ^

I can imagine a similar reaction, not because it's OSU per se, but because of how we've seen their recruits getting treated. If Michigan started to treat their recruits in a similar fashion, I'd be hesitant to let my kid play their as well. Thankfully, that hasn't been the case and I don't think it will ever be the case.

BlueInClearwater

November 24th, 2015 at 11:59 AM ^

I saw a something on ESPN during sportscenter in the lead up to The Game 3-4 years ago and Spielman said that Bo had him convinced him to be different than most Ohioans and come to Michigan. Spielman went home and told his dad he was going to Michigan and his dad said something to the effect of "no son of mine will be a traitor, you're going to OSU." FWIW he said the results of his decision worked out pretty damn well for him and is glad his dad told him to go to OSU. Sorry for no link to random ESPN piece hyping The Game but it came from Spielman's mouth.

WolvinLA2

November 24th, 2015 at 11:22 AM ^

It's not a waste of time. Not every kid who grows up in OH has OSU as their dream school. Wormley, De'veon and Dymonte all had OSU offers and picked Michigan, Strobel, Kalis, McCray, Gedeon and Kinnell as well. Sometimes OH kids are turned off by OSU, sometimes our O or D scheme fits them better, sometimes our depth chart at a particular position looks better and sometimes kids are turned on by all the NFL experience on our staff. The article answered its own question quickly - Michigan just doesn't have the relationships in OH right now. But we've been making inroads and we'll be snagging elite OH recruits again soon.

His Dudeness

November 24th, 2015 at 10:45 AM ^

It's a waste of time if all of them were already signed to be a Buckeye. Our coaching staff has gone into Alabama and got guys (with the risk of Bama offering and they would be gone). The staff knows how to allocate thier resources. I wouldn't worry about one year where we don't get an Ohio kid. The Buckeyes have been killing us since the class of '15 has been out of diapers. If we could get them or they were worth it, we would be on them. I wouldn't worry about it. It's not a "thing" that people are trying to make it out to be.

mtzlblk

November 24th, 2015 at 2:57 PM ^

The players on the current roster were AVAILABLE at the time, meaning they were open to coming to Michigan AND were at the level M wanted.

It seems that this year too many of the upper level players in Ohio are all Buckeye and not really open to talking to Michigan....or they are not at the level M is trying to recruit at for whatever position and there are better options elsewhere.

I highly doubt M is ceding Ohio in terms of recruiting on a long term basis.

 

Scarlatina

November 24th, 2015 at 10:37 AM ^

The majority of OSU's defensive starters are from out-of-state

Joey Bosa - Florida

Tyquan Lewis - North Carolina

Tommy Schutt - Illinois

Raekwon McMillian - Georgia

Eli Apple - New Jersey

Vonn Bell - Georgia

Damon Webb - Michigan

There are some homegrown talent too, but I don't remember Hoke recruiting them very heavily either:

Adolphus Washington - Cincinnati, OH

Darron Lee - New Albany, OH

Josh Perry - Lewis Center, OH

Tyvis Powell - Bedford, OH

 

M-Dog

November 24th, 2015 at 11:36 AM ^

I find it hard to believe that there are few recruits in Ohio that are both worthy and available.   There are many.

Meyer himself has somewhat de-emphasized Ohio compared to the past.  He gets his core from Ohio, but then he branches out nationally to cherry-pick the rest.

What does this mean?  It means that with scholarship limits, Ohio State can't take all the worthy Ohio talent, whether they want to or not.

If we have learned anything about Harbaugh it's that he knows exactly what he wants, conventional wisdom be damned.  He is filling in the many gaps he sees, as quickly as he can.  He is not worried about some "recruiting strategy".

Our lack of emphasis on Ohio is not a permanent thing.  It's just where we are right now.

Farnn

November 24th, 2015 at 10:32 AM ^

Yep, at this stage, the only thing gained byt recruiting Ohio would be to make OSU work a bit harder to keep the players in state but not anywhere near the amount of effort Michigan would expend.  Totally not worth th effort at this point.  However, hiring the head coach of St. Edwards probably implies they will recruit there in the future.  Beating OSU year 1 would go a long ways towards accelerating that.

Magnus

November 24th, 2015 at 11:15 AM ^

There are some "at Michigan's level" who are not shoo-ins for the Buckeyes. There are 14 Rivals 4-stars in Ohio for 2016, including:

- Boston College-committed LB Ethan Tucky
- Michigan State-committed QB Messiah DeWeaver, WR Justin Layne
- Pitt-committed WR Ruben Flowers
- uncommitted RB George Hill, DE Prince Sammons

WolvinLA2

November 24th, 2015 at 11:46 AM ^

I wouldn't say DeWeaver, Tucky or Flowers are Michigan level recruits. The last two guys might be Rivals 4-stars, but they aren't 4 stars on the composite and certainly don't have Michigan level offer sheets. And we had DeWeaver but chose to go after better recruits, and we landed one. Justin Layne is good, but I think we'll have 3-4 WRs in this class better than him so that is explained away. I'll give you Sammons and Hill, I'm not sure why we haven't gone after them.

Magnus

November 24th, 2015 at 11:51 AM ^

Sure they are. We currently have commitments from guys like Devin Gil, Josh Metellus, Rashad Weaver, Dytarious Johnson, etc. Does that mean the coaches like Tucky as much as, say, Dytarious Johnson? Maybe not. But take out Tucky, and insert a Rivals 3-star that I didn't list.

The bottom line is that there are guys in Ohio who fit the criteria of a) being able to play at Michigan and b) not being Ohio State locks.

Michigan just isn't pulling them in, offering them, etc. I'm not saying that's bad or good, but it's true.

SC Wolverine

November 24th, 2015 at 11:43 AM ^

Don't forget New Jersey.  Our ability to recruit New Jersey and make pipelines out of places like Paramus Catholic is a deathknell for Penn State.  Here is where bringing Rutgers into the Big Ten has helped Michigan and hurt Penn State.  Top players from Jersey can now have all their games on tv and they will play two games in four years before their families.  Awesome.

StephenRKass

November 24th, 2015 at 11:41 AM ^

I just scanned through the Rivals 250, and made some observations.

  • In the top 100, there were four from Ohio. All are committed, one to ND, the other three to Ohio State.
  • In the top 250, there were nine from Ohio including the four in the top 100. Seven are committed (ND, Ohio State, and Michigan State). Only two are uncommitted. And one of those, Brendan Ferns, is interested in neither Michigan nor Ohio State.
  • In at least two cases, Ferns and deWeaver, Michigan wasn't interested.

Generally, I think this is an outlier year for Ohio. I strongly suspect that Michigan will continue to recruit Ohio. It makes sense for Michigan to focus on three things:

  • Toledo metro area. This is closer to Detroit and Ann Arbor, and not as solidly OSU.
  • Top high schools. We have always gotten players from Cincinnati Elder and Moeller, and should also continue to look at St. Ignatius, St. Edwards, Glenville, and a few others.
  • Top players. As said in the article, it is pointless and a waste of resources to waste time on athletes who are set on going to Ohio State. But I get the feeling that often some of the best players aren't necessarily as big on going to OSU as we might thing.

Lou MacAdoo

November 24th, 2015 at 3:17 PM ^

I think the Toledo area has some solid football teams, but very few elite prospects. Michigan has gotten production from Chris Wormley, Jack Miller, and Jordan Kovacs, but that's really it in the last decade. I know Dane Sazenbacher and Kenny Hayes went to OSU, Wisconsin has Michael Dieter, and ND has Deshone Kizer, but after that no one really comes to mind.

YoungGeezy

November 24th, 2015 at 10:29 AM ^

Brady Hoke was vocal out the gate that recruiting in Ohio would be a priority, and it was clear this was a focus for him. I'm not worried about where Harbaugh gets his recruits as long as we don't miss on guys from the state of Michigan.

Farnn

November 24th, 2015 at 10:29 AM ^

Meyer actually did the same thing when he started.  If you look at his first class in 2013 he only had 4 of the top 10 in Ohio and would have had 3 if Conley hadn't flipped, while MIchigan also had 4 and almost 5.  When you start out behind, you need to go with what you know, and the Michigan staff doesn't know Ohio well.  2017 will be the first class where Harbaugh is starting out on an even footing with other teams and we are already seeing visitors from Ohio for the OSU game this week. 

HarbaughorBust

November 24th, 2015 at 10:30 AM ^

Northern Ohio is not the same Northern Ohio as it was in 1992.   It has talent but no where near the amount of talent it had 20+ years ago.

 

Didn't Jim hire St Edward's head football coach to be his director of football operations?  Why would he do that if he was planning on ignoring Ohio for recruiting?   

 

Jim entered the recruiting game late last year.  Trying to flip recruits in Ohio would be a waste of time right now.   I expect far more Ohio offers for the 2017 class because there's 3 years to build a relationship.   Common sense stuff.

pdgoblue25

November 24th, 2015 at 10:33 AM ^

My initial reaction is just a shoulder shrug.  The California and Florida offers make sense to me because that's where Harbaugh and Durkin's relationships were previously.

They have Fonotti on the staff, former Cleveland St. Edward head coach, I would think he would have all the info Harbaugh would need for the talent base in Ohio right now.

The arrogance of this article is borderline comical.  I just love how they point out that MSU basically beat them due to the number of players they have from Ohio.  Or that they insinuate that basically Harbaugh knows it's no use going up against Meyer so he just looks elsewhere.

Maybe the explanation isn't very complicated, and Harbaugh offers kids who he thinks are good football players.

Stay.Classy.An…

November 24th, 2015 at 10:31 AM ^

The only piece of the article I don't agree with is the one sentence that says, Michigan State is consistently competing for National Championships. LOLZ, wut!? They have finished Top 5 the last two seasons, their best final ranking outside of those two seasons, was 7th in 99. The first theory is probably the best, go with the coaches and network you are most comfortable and familiar with. That's just a good premise for pretty much anything.

michmaiku

November 24th, 2015 at 11:41 AM ^

... is what he actually wrote, which is vague, maybe purposely so, and could simply be interpreted as making decent bowl games and having some early season or off season buzz.

The guy's style is annoying and evasive, in a "you fill in the blanks but I didn't actually say that" kind of way, but this is not a blatantly false characterization.

 

 

jblaze

November 24th, 2015 at 10:33 AM ^

That's all that this is. From the Harbaugh camp in Easton (I know it's in PA, but it's only a few miles from the NJ borer) to hiring Partridge to (hopefully) landing Rashan, Michigan has prioritized NJ > Ohio.

Mr. Elbel

November 24th, 2015 at 11:00 AM ^

I think it speaks a lot too to how Harbaugh & Co want to recruit for who they like and who they need. They don't care about recruiting a player so that someone else doesn't get him. Why have a roster full of players that you didn't necessarily want or need but you were just playing defense? Not thinking that way opens everything up and allows us to try to create other pipelines (Paramus, Prattville). Of course Ohio is going to be butthurt about that but that's their problem. They could even think it's a good thing for them, but ultimately if we get the players we want then that's not gonna go well for them.

HarbaughToKolesar85

November 24th, 2015 at 11:06 AM ^

that we've already extended as many scholarships in Ohio for 2017 (7) as we have for the 2016 class. With all of the offers that Coach Harbaugh gives out I would be willing to venture a guess that number will nearly double before Signing Day 2017. New Jersey will continue to be more of a focus but my guess is that the current staff did not have much in the way of relationships in Ohio previously and that part of the reason Kalis's old coach is on staff is to help develop that as Harbaugh brings Michigan back so that we can compete for the elite kids in Ohio without it being a waste of time. Go blue! Trust Harbaugh!