5th Year seniors had to "audition" during spring practice

Submitted by The Mad Hatter on

This bummed out Keith Heitzman, which led to his transfer to Ohio University.

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/2015/07/22/ex-wolverine-heitzman-turned-off--tryout-under-harbaugh/30510509/

 

We've all heard some buzz about 5th years not being invited back, but this is the first time I've heard that there was a formal try out process.

MgoRayO3313

July 22nd, 2015 at 11:51 AM ^

What is wrong with this? Some of them have been on scholarship for 4 years. Nothing after that is guaranteed. Shouldn't every 5th year always have to audition for a position/job/roster spot?



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Gofor2

July 22nd, 2015 at 8:54 PM ^

The type of entitlement and lack of competition that existed in the years prior to JH. Maybe that was the thinking that lead to a 5-7 season. Heaven forbid than you have to take your ass out to the field and prove you deserve to start. Christ.

PurpleStuff

July 22nd, 2015 at 4:58 PM ^

I guess I just assumed he would be the other starter (meaning he'd play whether Countess is here or not).  On the other side I would just rather have a choice of Lyons/Countess/Freshman rather than just Lyons/Freshman.  Even if Blake wouldn't have been named the starter, not having him around in case of injury or pass-happy attack could come back to bite us, IMO.

 

Benoit Balls

July 22nd, 2015 at 5:09 PM ^

Or, was he told he wouldn't be given a 5th year? I thought he chose to leave because of PT issues, basically because he knew he wasn't going to start. If my recollection is murky please correct me.

 

Rabbit21

July 23rd, 2015 at 12:08 PM ^

I wish Countess had stuck around as well as I think he would have provided experience if nothing else.  His instincts in zone coverge are proven to be good as well and there's no way to call his transfer anything but a loss, especially given his current team.  

As far as the veiled RR comment goes, agree to disagree.

Lanknows

July 22nd, 2015 at 12:10 PM ^

Your point is valid of course, but if you're a proven player like Blake Countess, it may be perceived as a huge insult to your contributions and work effort to be made to audition when people like Reon Dawson and Terry Richardson don't have to.  It's not hard to see why this would be a sign of disrespect.

Obviously most players took it the way you took it, and as fans we all know that's the Harbaugh Way (TM)... but you can see where this was a risky move on Harbaughs part.

No matter how you slice it, there were a lot of valuable contributors from last year's roster who COULD have come back but elected not to this offseason (e.g., Miller, Bosch, Hayes, Heitzman, Countess).  I think and hope it will work out for the best in the end. Culture matters and transitions always have attrition, but going from Hoke to Harbaugh COULD have feasibly gone a little more smoothly given JH's prestige and continuity in program philosophy.

evenyoubrutus

July 22nd, 2015 at 12:39 PM ^

Well, Harbaugh has not been coaching these guys for the last 4 years.  I don't know that you can say anyone is "proven" because this coaching staff still has to familiarize themselves with these guys.  Getting a 5th year is a privilege so this seems like the best way to figure out who gets one and who doesn't.

That mentality of entitlement is exactly what has run this program into the ground.  No one is entitled to a 5th year plain and simple.

Reader71

July 22nd, 2015 at 12:57 PM ^

I read Heitzman's comment as, "It really sucks that Harbaugh wasn't here to see what I did every day for the past four seasons, making all of those days worthless and less important than the 2-3 weeks of spring ball." And that's a very reasonable take. I don't think Heitzman was afraid to compete or in any way felt "entitled", but every single one of us would feel "bummed out" if four years of hard work were dismissed and we were forced to start at ground zero. He's just talking about the situation being disappointing. He's not crying, for God's sake. I probably wouldn't have transferred, but I would certainly feel the way he feels. It's kind of shocking how little empathy we fans have for players. I know the overarching narrative is about Harbaugh recreating the team in his image, but there are hundreds of other little stories in there that aren't always as easy as, "not tough enough for Harbaugh." I mean, has anyone ever heard anything about Heitzman that would suggest he's soft or doesn't like competition? To the contrary, anything we've heard about him has been about his work ethic.

Ron Utah

July 22nd, 2015 at 1:12 PM ^

It would be tough to hear that you have to earn your spot, after four years of hard work.

That said, any player not up to that challenge should transfer.  When I played college sports I always knew that everyday was an audition, and that I had to earn my minutes.   THERE IS NO WAY I would have transferred.

I feel bad for Heitzman, but if he wasn't up to the challenge, I'm glad he's somewhere else.

Reader71

July 22nd, 2015 at 1:21 PM ^

Right. I'd like to think I wouldn't have transferred either. But I know I would have been bummed out. I think there are two issues at play here. Harbaugh's tryout bummed him out. But the reason he transferred was because he wasn't looking at much PT. I dont think Heitzman is saying he decided to transfer rather than try out. But of course the press is going to ask you about your old team and the new regime, and it came out in the same article. I'd wager that if we were thinner at either position, Heitzman would have used his bummer as fuel to compete for a job. That happens every day around the country. But its harder to ratchet up the intensity when you see the writing on the wall. This also happens every day around the country.

Ron Utah

July 22nd, 2015 at 2:29 PM ^

But the reason matters.  Heitzman did NOT leave for playing time reasons--he would have made that decision if there had been no tryout.  He is quoted as saying he "didn't know if [he] wanted to try out."

The tryout prompted his decision to look elsewhere, no the playing time.  I'm sure playing time was a factor, but if the idea of a tryout makes you look elsewhere, then yes, I do question your competitive drive.

What I don't question is his emotional reaction of, "that sucks" to the idea of tryout.  I would have felt the same way.  But a tryout would not have prompted me to consider transferring.

Ron Utah

July 22nd, 2015 at 4:01 PM ^

Everyone at U-M has 4-year scholarships.  NOT 5-year scholarships.  If you're not a 5th-year, your scholarship, and therefore your place on the roster, is guaranteed (they can ask you to accept a medical waiver).

Everyone is auditioning for playing time; the 5th-year guys have to earn their scholarship, and this is standard practice almost everywhere.  Calling it a "tryout" might sound more harsh, but it's actually just an honest statement of most schools' policy on 5th-year guys.

uminks

July 22nd, 2015 at 3:29 PM ^

Playing time did make a difference and through spring camp he knew others were as good or better which would have decreased his playing time. I don't see how a try out made him leave. But he should get more playing time at a smaller school which will make him happier. All the best to him though!

Rabbit21

July 23rd, 2015 at 12:22 PM ^

1.  He's a fifth year senior and likely 22/23, calling him a boy is pretty damn rude.

2.  You don't know his whole situation and why he transferred, it is much more likely he knew he wasn't going pro, had his degree and just wanted to spend one more year playing football and getting actual time on the field.  Frankly, it's hard to blame him for that.

3.  I find it hard to believe any coach is going to bring a level of intensity to practice that a fifth year senior is not going to have experienced or be able to contextualize and it's not like heading to Ohio is going to make practices or workouts any easier, the coach at Ohio has to coach for his job, too. 

maizenbluenc

July 22nd, 2015 at 1:24 PM ^

that all their prior contribution is out the window. (Would like to know the context behind the "bummed" and the fill in to why considered other options.)

Everything I have seen from Harbaugh tells me he is looking for ultra-competitive guys who live and breath competing every day: no laurels. Another example: the camp promotional material changed from "come and learn skills", to "come and compete". It's like the Marines: "we're looking for a few good men".

I think both points of view are OK. Especially considering the last two season's records in the coaches' case.

 

Tater

July 22nd, 2015 at 1:26 PM ^

If Heitzman truly did "like competition," he would have been fine with having the opportunity to earn a fifth year.  As for "empathy," the real world is competitive.  People have to prove themselves every day on jobs where their value isn't appreciated.  

Sorry, but if he wouldn't compete for a job, he doesn't belong with the most competitive coach in college football.
 

Reader71

July 22nd, 2015 at 1:44 PM ^

I didn't say Heitzman belonged with Harbaugh. That's a total non-sequitur. I'm also not sure you know what empathy means, to be honest. The world is competitive. I'm 6'5". My nephew is 3". If we go out to the driveway and shoot the basketball and I decide to block all of his shots, like really stuff that shit right back in his itty-bitty face, I can't rightfully get on him about not getting a shot off. He has a tough job with very little chance of success. I empathize with him. I look at it through his teary eyes. Of course he's not going to score with his asshole uncle rejecting everything he throws up. I dont sympathize with him at all. He needs to develop a good head fake and a little up and under. But I empathize.

Reader71

July 22nd, 2015 at 3:02 PM ^

Yes, but it wasn't always because guys didn't like to compete. That was certainly true of some. But there's a famous quote of one responding that those who didn't stay wouldn't be champions, but doctors, lawyers, captains of industry. All competitive fields. All competitive classrooms. All of those guys had hard stretches of life like the rest of us. But for some, continuing playing football under Bo just wasn't for them. Continuing under Harbaugh isn't for Heitzman. But I refuse to paint with such a broad brush. I dont like the good riddance posts, the insinuations that he felt entitled, the suggestions that he was soft, and the like, especially with no proof whatsoever, only a desire to fit everything into a certain narrative. He didn't quit football. He transferred to a place that fit him better. And he didn't even badmouth Michigan on the way out. And if you assume MAC programs are somehow easier than M, I will point to my brother, who had 3-a-days during summer camp in 1-AA. They often missed meals in between practices because the cafeterias would close if practice ran late. Football is hard, and competitive, and Heitzman is still playing it. He just now figures to get more PT, which is the whole point of the endeavor.

RobSk

July 22nd, 2015 at 3:54 PM ^

>It's kind of shocking how little empathy we fans have for players.

>

I agree completely with this. It always amazes me at the absence of empathy, but also the presence of real enmity for guys that don't perform well. The conclusion that anyone that doesn't perform well doesn't care, or isn't trying, or is just generally a bad guy constantly astounds me. As if the guy didn't want to succeed, or you can tell the difference between a guy just screwing up, or not having the talent vs actually not trying.

      Rob

MChem83

July 22nd, 2015 at 6:50 PM ^

I'm not sure any of the players should be touting their performance over that time.  There's been an awful lot of suck in this program since the Sugar Bowl win, and while Heitzman was not a glaring failure, neither was he a shining exception.  Hard work is all very well, but on-field performance is what wins championships, and since Harbaugh is presumably here to do that, I have no problem with him culling the herd and only keeping what he thinks are the best.

Lanknows

July 22nd, 2015 at 1:00 PM ^

But that assumes the player takes a coach-centric view. I think it's reasonable to assume they would see it from their perspective (i.e., I've been working my butt off for 4 years for this program).

It's not unreasonable to say "hasn't my play on the field earned me another season". If you've done it -- especially if you fought back from a major injury like Countess did AND earned all-conference honors. I don't think it's necessarily entitlement to feel disrespected by this if you're a proven player like Countess.  That said, I think Harbaugh would want his guys to just embrace the challenge as an opportunity to show the coaching staff you deserve your spot. 

JH can run the program how he likes, and I doubt he's shedding tears about anyone who doesn't want to be at Michigan badly enough to try out for it (again).

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Mr Miggle

July 22nd, 2015 at 2:01 PM ^

slate. Not so great for Countess, but Heitzman apparently didn't see how that worked to his advantage. A new coach coming in and looking at his body of work is very likely to see him as expendable. Even the old staff might have. He was offered a fair shot, the most he really could have expected.

 

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Hail-Storm

July 22nd, 2015 at 2:05 PM ^

When the new coach (Dick Vermeil) for the eagles told the hot shot players that considering their record the previous year, they should all be worried about their positions on the roster.

One of our (Michigan fan's) favorite quotes is "Those who stay will be champions" comes from almost the same situation.  

 

Lanknows

July 22nd, 2015 at 1:07 PM ^

If Hoke had told Jake Ryan, Devin Gardner or Jeremy Gallon last year "we're thinking about not inviting you back".  Would it be OK for them to feel disrespected then?

This isn't really a 'hot take' so much as a "put yourself in the player's shoes" observation, or maybe have an ounce of humanity towards kids on the football team.

Everybody gets that football is competition and 5th years aren't guaranteed, but there are different ways of approaching that and we can have a civil discussion about it. I'm not even arguing against JH's approach, just saying that Heitzman is allowed to feel how he feels.

Ron Utah

July 22nd, 2015 at 1:14 PM ^

There is no chance any of those guys would have transferred or done anything but go out and prove themselves.  No one likes having to try out, but everyday in college athletics is an audition, and true competitors would take the challenge.

I'm not arguing it wouldn't suck to hear you have to "audition" as a 5th-year, but damn if I wouldn't have gone out and done my best to prove myself.