I suspected he would do. Kid is an amazing shot thrower. He threw over 61 feet at the MHSAA finals last spring as a junior.
4* OL Riley Norman commits to Michigan State for track, not playing football
This is one of the most creative ways to piss away a football career I've seen.
I mean, he must have some talent if he's a consensus 4 star. Doesn't make much sense.
But then again, he is going to state.
Consensus four star is still a long shot to make the NFL. He's still getting college for free, I don't see how this is any different from his standpoint.
he's better at shot put than he is at football. And one more thing maybe the other poster didn't consider. Maybe he just doesn't like football
it is very possible for people to get burnt out on a sport that they are extremely good at by the time they graduate high school.
I went to high school with a two great distance runners, were all state cross country runners for multiple years. Both by the end hated running. One stopped completely, and the other is training to be a body builder. Moral of the story, I guess, is that just because you're really good at something, doesnt mean you want to do it forever. Best of luck to Mr. Normal, I hope to see you in the Olympics one day.
Kim Jong Il was the best golfer in the history of the world. He was so good, in fact, that on his first round ever, he finished 38 under with 5 hole-in-ones. Oh, and Pyongyang golf course plays 7,700 yards. Problem is, he always found the game boring. I can see a 4* recruit passing on football.
Hey you're shorting the man of 6 hole in ones! #tigerwho?
Both of them were offered scholarships, one of them was invited to the Olympic trials. Other than embarrassing guys in the pool, neither of them swam competitively beyond high school.
Indeed. Andre Agassi has been quoted as saying he hated tennis. Being good at something doesn't mean you enjoy it, in fact sometimes it could lead to the opposite effect.
Unless he kills it in the classroom (very possible) it's not a great of scholarship (e.g. a Northwestern football scholarship is way more valuable).
MSU costs almost as much as U of M from what I have been told recently from people who have kids going to both places. Not saying that that is reasonable, but it is still a ton of money saved. One can hate on MSU all they want, but the education there is still pretty good.
He was also a State champion in shot, so he has some talent there too. Train for the Olympics or train for the NFL? Tough choice to make, but can't go wrong either way.
To be fair, he's a MUCH longer shot to be in the Olympics than to be in the NFL, especially since his throws are good, but not crazy good. I think it just comes downto which he likes better, which is totally fine.
Probably a good guess. He's still a few feet short of TJ Duckett's MHSAA record for shot put (64-7), though. It does seem like field athletes in track don't cross over to football as much as track athletes, for what ever reason.
Edit - Zach Hill from Zeeland topped Duckett's record in 2009 (67-11.25). Of note, for those making the "2016 Olympic hopeful" comments about Norman, for comparison sake, Hill's personal best at MSU is 60-11.25. That's still almost 9 feet behind Hoffa, who took the bronze in London. Not saying that some day either of them couldn't be in the Olympics; just most likely not in 2016.
...maybe he just thinks Dantonio is a dick. Smart kid.
Maybe he doesn't like football. Maybe he doesn't want to spend the 60+ hours a week a Division 1 program requires.
Maybe he doesn't want to wreck his knees or be concussed multiple times.
It's not everyone's dream to play Divsion 1 football and the NFL. Kudos for the kid who made a tough decision and who is talented enough to get a track schorship.
I hope random people criticizes your life decisions too
Best of luck to him.
lists a strength of his as nasty streak. Also, I'm betting you wouldn't be willing to test that theory to the kids face.
You try throwing shot, hammer and discuss at the D1 level.
That craft and those guys are anything but soft, in fact, I'd like to see you say it in front of them.
Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.
I'm not telling him how to live.
He's a 16/17-year-old kid, and you're posting something for public consumption on the Internet suggesting that he's an idiot who's pissing his life away. (On top of that, there's a damn good chance that you're wrong.) How can you not find that wildly inappropriate and dickish?
My recent trips to this site have led me to believe that either I'm crazy or many/most of you are crazy.
Where did I even say anything about pissing his life away? I said he was pissing a football career away.
Never let the facts get in the way of a good Turd. You likewise never said the kid was an idiot either, although Turd convienently added that for you as well.
Okay, he didn't state that explicitly, but what exactly should we infer from this?
"But then again, he is going to state."
Also inferred: the suggestion that by pissing away his football career he's making a career mistake. Would WD have come on here and said Norman is pissing away his track career if he signed up to play football instead of track?
All of this, by the way, is why I wrote "suggesting" instead of "saying."
Source on the assholes part?
A close friend of mine quit the football team after his freshman year in college. We all asked him to reconsider and told him that he was making a mistake, throwing away a huge opportunity, etc.... None of that mattered to him. He didn't like getting hit constantly. I think my dissappointment came because I felt like he was blowing an opportunity I never had.
There are many of us that have watched football from the sidelines for years. I was never going to be good enough to have a shot at college football, part of me is happy for the kids that do, part of me is jealous. I hope he has a long and successful shot putting career.
ugh....very sorry for the double
I’m sure the kid is crushed, what with not meeting your approval and all.
I'm sure he indeed is.
Pissing away a football career: What Tyrann Mathieu did.
Going to college to throw shot put: What this kid is doing.
who knows, he has enough potential to be in discussion for us olympic team in 2016 if things go well. best shot competitors develop with age. (like wine, speaking of which…)
know what Olympic shot putters can throw in HS? There was an American medalist this year. I wonder what he threw in school. Kid is already at 61-2.25 (though they use a bigger shot in international competition i believe)
For reference, Mike Martin, Anthony Zettel and both Sarantoses threw farther in HS than Normal has. Norman still has his senior year, but it's not like he's breaking records just yet.
about Mike Martin though, he was good at everything he did. He was also a 2x-champ wrestler and didn't begin competing until his junior year. I watched him nearly tech-fall a kid who had been wrestling for 12 years in the state semi-final at the Palace.
I thought dcc lineman generally wrestled in the room, even if they didn't compete.
Also, Coon would destroy Martin ;)
Are you sure about both Sarantos brothers (of the two that went to Michigan, anyway)? I know Joey threw 63 something, but I'm not so sure about Paul being up that high.
he's competitive. think his best is mid 60's, there was a new record set last year by a senior in the 70something as i remember. must like something as they gave him a scholarship.
Correct. Olympic shot is about 4 pounds heavier.
What are you basing this Olympic potential on?
It's hard to tell who you're replying to, but if you're replying to me, I'm basing his Olympic potential on his college distances and the number of Americans who make the Olympic team in shot put. There are NCAA champions who don't make the Olympic team, and I don't think Norman is anywhere near that level.
He certainly deserves a college scholarship. He was the top thrower in the state as a junior, and will probably be one of the better shot putters in the Big Ten as an upperclassman.
But to put it into perspective - in 2012, Riley threw 61-2.5 to win state. In 2011, a kid from Oregon threw 77-2.75, also as a high schooler. Those are the types of kids who go to the Olympics.
I agree with you (see a few of my other posts in this thread). I was responding to those who were speculating that he could be an Olympic caliber thrower (someone even said in 2016). I was directing my question to them. Sorry, this format sucks on the app and it gets to be near impossible to determine who is responding to who...
It could be he's thought about concussion risk and decided to pursue another sport he is equally good at, and may like more.
Perhaps playing college football would be a creative way to piss away a track and field career.
YOU think football should be his top priority...which has nothing to do with HIM.
Is it possible that he will play football anyway? I'm not sure how 2 sport athletes work. If he's using a scholarship for shotput, would he be able to play on their football team as a walk on?
No, scholarship has to count for football if he always football.
I did some digging for you and got this from the original post:
If he ever decided to play football at MSU, he would not be allowed to walk-on and use the track scholarship. The scholarship would be shifted over to football, and count against MSU's 85 scholarship limit.
He could play football, but his scholarship would be considered a football one and not track. When there's a two sport athlete, the scholarship is given to the higher grossing sport money wise, which is football over track.
He also quit his HS football team, so I think he's done for good.
"When there's a two sport athlete, the scholarship is given to the higher grossing sport money wise, which is football over track."
Not that I doubt you or anything, but where exactly does it say that? I wasn't aware of that rule.
Rules for multi-sport athletes
The NCAA also has rules specifying the sport in which multi-sport athletes are to be counted, with the basic rules being:
- Anyone who participates in football is counted in that sport, even if he does not receive financial aid from the football program. An exception exists for players at non-scholarship FCS programs who receive aid in another sport.
- Participants in basketball are counted in that sport, unless they also play football.
- Participants in men's ice hockey are counted in that sport, unless they also play football or basketball.
- Participants in both men's swimming and diving and men's water polo are counted in swimming and diving, unless they count in football or basketball.
- Participants in women's volleyball are counted in that sport unless they also play basketball.
- All other multi-sport athletes are counted in whichever sport the school chooses
So I actually may have mispoken by saying it goes to the highest grossing sport in all circumstances as the last bullet point says the schools may choose in some instances, but in this and most other instances that's how it works.
Not sure where you are getting your info, but he didn't quit his HS team.
I take that as he quit lacrosse, not football.
Not as a walkon, but if there is room the scholarship can move over to football.
Some people just don't want to live with all the injuries after football, and some people don't want to play for a man with the personality of wet towel. Good luck at shot put.
Why you no like wet towels?
This seems cool to me. I respect kids who like the old classics like discus and shot. If that's your bag, then climb into it right? edit: unless it's fantasy gaming. No one can do that and be right.
What do you mean?
Lol Dantonio being out recruited by the track team
Although Norman had early rankings based on his size, it's hard to tell how good he really is at football. He has very few offers, and didn't go to any camps, but that could have more to do with his indecision than anything else. Considering MSU is the only team to throw a early offer his way, it's probably safe to say he's not a future NFL guy, so I think it's smart to do what he wants.
Why would he go to football camps and compete when he hasn't loved football in some time?
That's my point - its hard to really know how much of a football future he really had.
Teams don't usually waste their time recruiting and offering a kid who has no interest in them. If Norman was to play football, he was going to do it at MSU. Also he's a quiet kid you never gave interviews, and the kids are the ones that report scholarships, so its possible he just never reported any.
Oh shit, my bad on the thread edit. Mea culpa.
MSUs track team recruits nationally now too.
that this is a play on the football national recruiting meme, but the kid is an in-state kid. Surprised they took him considering how close that is to EL
Total troll move bro. Nice one.
Now to move on.
Since it doesnt matter to us at all... lets give a congrats to Mr. Norman for his track committment... and lets laugh at the Sparties who are crying
Norman.....that name rings a bell. Isn't his brother a former player from a recent team of theirs?
Three time Olympian Reese Hoffa threw 63' 9.5" as a senior in high school. In London he won a bronze medal to go along with his two world championships. He is sponsored by Nike, gets to travel the world looking at hot track chicks and probably does OK for himself financially. His "dream is to compete in a bear suit, being brought onto the track in a cage." which suddenly makes him one of my favorite athletes.
Riley Norman has a PB of 61'2.5" set as a junior last year. The kid obviously has talent and with a lot of hard work and what not could make it to an Olympics or two as well. When I ran in circles for the Maize and Blue it appeared to me that the weight throwers certainly had to work hard but they could have a pretty normal college life, probably much more so than a football player. Also, I never heard of one getting concussed and a few got a free education. Good luck to the kid (except when he competes against UofM of course).
That number for Hoffa makes it all the more amazing to me that TJ Duckett gave up shot put to play football at MSU. Not necessarily that he played football (obviously, as a first round pick with a decent NFL career, he made the right choice by sticking with football), but rather that he didn't do both at MSU.
There is always the risk of being impaled by a stray javelin, but otherwise, track and field has gotta be healthier.
More seriously, thanks for the comparison betweenNorman and Hoffa. Do you (or anyone else) know how much good shot putters tend to improve in a year? In other words, how likely is it he goes fro, just over 61 to nearly 64 this coming year?
I've never done, nor do i follow shot put, but what i've heard is that with more training and technique coaching that most people get better as they get older.
It's interesting to me that MSU keeps attracting throwers of this quality. They got Duckett (who obviously chose football over track), Zach Hill (who topped Duckett's 10 year old state record) and now Norman.
Here was I expecting jabs at State's inability to reel in linemen for whatever reasons. Not slamming a high school kid for choosing shot put over football.
Although I guess it's not the worst for MSU. Since Dantonio is hiding in the weeds, all the linemen thad didn't commit obviously don't have the needed pad level to see him, right?
Many of us play sports when we are younger for the fun of it and for the love of the game. High School sports become more serious depending on your school or conference. College it becomes a job regardless if you are DI or DIII. I would see all my friends having fun when I had to go to practice and study hall. I wanted to have fun in college and never loved baseball, so I quit the college team. I regret it more now (20 years later), but I still never wanted baseball to be my life. The regret though is more in the contacts you earn by being on the team and being a part of the athletic program. Norman will still get all those things while doing the sport he loves.
I was in Cadillac and Traverse City last week, seemed like the area was 90% Spartan fans. The few M people I saw were tourists/vacationers.
/cool starry brah