to teams that have combined for 3 losses on the year, including the #1, 2, and 4 teams in the country. All 4 losses came on the road or at a neutral site. Just a brutal schedule this year.
Still one game to be played to see how we remember Team 133, but I, for one, am damn proud of how they played the schedule they were give, never made excuses, and never gave up. Let's send these seniors out with a bowl win.
Anyone who thinks OSU is
I won't argue with that but
I won't argue with that but they'll be some who rank them even higher than that.
Forever For Michigan
The problem with the ranking
The problem with the ranking system is the primary sort is on number of losses with secondary sort on the eyeball test. A team that played 10 games against top 10 teams and goes 9-3 would be behind someone who played beat no one good and went 12-1 with the 1 loss being to the 9-3 team.
"Is There Anybody Out There?" Pink Floyd, The Wall.
Well where would you rank
Well where would you rank them? They went 12-0, something no other team has done so far (and only one other school has a chance to match).
OSU wouldn't beat anyone else
OSU wouldn't beat anyone else in the top 10. They're shielded by an awful big ten.
Cal
Cal SHOULD have beat them, the same Cal that got absolutely trounced in the Pac12
At some point, the "they
At some point, the "they should have lost" stuff becomes irrelevant. To win 12 out of 12 is hard for anyone to do.
They gave up 49 to Indiana,
They gave up 49 to Indiana, dude. Come on!!
Campaign manager--Hoke 2012.
We should have beat Notre
We should have beat Notre Dame and Nebraska....We didn't
heh.
Remember when Sparty fans said this was their year with a legitimate shot at a National Championship?
If the haters don't hate you then you're doing something wrong. - David Cone
I thought that was next year,
I thought that was next year, with our crappy schedule?
Tom Deinhart thinks they could beat ND and Bama
Derp.
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“ The best way to predict the future is to invent it.” — Alan Kay
Tom Dienhart is an idiot.
Tom Dienhart is an idiot.
Id say they're just as good
Id say they're just as good if not better than Notre Dame though, I dont think either are a top 5 team
-UM class of 2018
Does anyone really think ND
Does anyone really think ND is the best team in the country, for that matter?
If you don't ride a camel, you ain't shi'ite.
Sort of a dig at yourself.
Sort of a dig at yourself.
"So put 2 on, put 10 on, WHAT DO YOU CARE IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE PAYIN' FOR 'EM!!!!?"
-Doug Heffernan, in regards to Arthur and his stamp needs
well well well...
Back from under your rock Jon?
I'd expect you to stop by today.
Didn't see much of you after last year's game.
Enjoy your bowl game.
If the haters don't hate you then you're doing something wrong. - David Cone
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lets not forget that the BigTen has been mediocre at best the last 2 years
Agree couldn't be prouderof
Agree couldn't be prouderof our boys. Let's beat the gamecocks or whoever we will play jan.1st
I think we could beat LSU,
I think we could beat LSU, Florida, or South Carolina. I do think we would have trouble with Texas A&M
903 wins most in college football
I appreciate your optimism,
I appreciate your optimism, but the Big Ten would be fortunate to make it through bowl season above 25% wins. No Big Ten teams would beat any of the teams you listed.
Hail.
Slow down there Thaddeus.
Slow down there Thaddeus. Personally, I'm not in a big hurry to get brutalized in front of the entire country again by a Florida, or an LSU. I'm hoping for So. Carolina. Better yet, I just hope to look better than Auburn, Tennessee, and Oklahoma for the sake of a few big recruits that are borderline prospects.
Campaign manager--Hoke 2012.
4 losses?
if 4 losses is not a bad season for a michigan fan then you have really low expectations. they lost all their big games and their best win was over a Northwestern team. We probably have the talent to compete with ND, Nebraska, and OSU, but do to lousy play we lost all 3 games. Plus the Big Ten was awful this year and its another year with out a conference title. 2003 people 2003
This is Michigan Fer Godsakes, We win Sugar Bowls here
Its this kind of thinking
Its this kind of thinking that keeps this team from being better.
Isn't the goal here to beat those teams and bring home a rather large crystal football?
yeah because fan talk affects
yeah because fan talk on a message board directly affects actual player, team, and program performance and decisions
North Campus' resident Sport Management major
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You are delusional.
Don't ever think that you are more disappointed than the players and coaches. You aren't. I can guarantee you that the people on that bus heading back north are much angrier and disappointed then anyone here.
Fans need to get head out of their ass. No one here has a fraction of the emotional or physical investment that the players and coaches do. No one.
"The Ruhr will not be subjected to a single bomb. If an enemy bomber reaches the Ruhr, my name is not Hermann Göring: you can call me Urban Meyer!"
Except for like nine of us.
Except for like nine of us. Including me.
All in for some manball.
I logged in...
I logged in just to neg you dumbasses.
Gotta win the conference before you can win the national championship. Truth be told, if this staff continues the mojo it has shown the past two years, Michigan will be a viable national contender in the coming years. But you have to be delusional to not incrementally raise your expectations. Last year was an anomaly. We are two years removed from a 7-6 year. Four years removed from 2008.
Get real. 8-4 was a solid mark this season. Considering the transition this team still is going through. How much the team lost from 2011. 8-4 is a respectable season. Is it disappointing they aren't playing for the Big Ten title? Yes. But like the OP said. All of the losses were to good/great teams. All of the losses were on the road.
No, for you guys its to win
No, for you guys its to win the BIG and go to the Rose Bowl.
I think I'd rather have wins
I think I'd rather have wins against those teams instead of celebrating losses. What a joke. This is Michigan. The all time winningest team in college football and we have fans happy that we only lost games to good teams.
No, the point is our team
No, the point is our team isn't loaded with talent yet and we should be proud of these guys for having a good season. What did you expect this year? To go 12-0 or 11-1?
Yes
And so did everyone on that team
So hot. Milk was a bad choice.
Not happy at all with a 4
Not happy at all with a 4 loss season. Just pointing out that we may have played the toughest schedule in America this year. We lost to 4 really good teams and we didn't face a single one of them at home.
Furthermore, this year, and possibly next year, is Michigan's floor talent-wise moving forward. Will be fun to see how we develop our young offensive line recruits, and we have already begun to see how our freshmen and sophomores are picking up Mattison's system as well.
OK, I'm ready to strap on my helmet
to send the seniors out with a bowl win.
Not too sure how well that's gonna work out, however
This team has shown a lot
This team has shown a lot this season. Although they're not the most talented or even the most cohesive team, they were never outclassed. I think next season, with even some more time to get this team prepped on Hoke's philosophy, and barring any significant injuries, should be able to make a real run. The team only lost to some of the top teams in the nation, and played one bad game against Nebraska, but they always played with pride, swag, and purpose. I'm proud of this team; don't let the haters get us down!
They were majorly outclassed
They were majorly outclassed by Alabama.
You stupid mother fuckers who
You stupid mother fuckers who don't think Borges should be fired should go root for Iowa. He cost us this game and so did Hoke. Devin should have been QB from game 1 but all of you loved Denards smile so much you couldn't see how terrible he was at QB. God I hate being right all the time.
Hey! You watch your mouth
Hey! You watch your mouth son.
All in for some manball.
Mods
Give this man a one way ticket to Bolivia.
Drivel.
Weak sauce.
@Amutnal
If the haters don't hate you then you're doing something wrong. - David Cone
We are a long way from losing to
Toledo!!!!!
Am I the only person that
Am I the only person that thinks we had enough talent to go 11-1? Besides the Alabama game I believe we should have won every game. The people who keep bringing up the talent obviously don't think much of the players on the team. Al Borges had a big part in all 3 of the losses. (not including Bama)
Probably not the only one...
...but I completely disagree. Talent levels were big steps down in key areas from last year's 11-2 team, & MUCH tougher schedule. I'm surprised they pulled out 8-4. I'm trying hard not to chalk that up to god-awful big10
Steps back but...
It may seem as though we took steps back, but realistically we are just uunder most folks expecations. Of course I am not pleased at 8-4, but at the begginning of the season we all knew that four of these games would be tough. I would have hoped that we could have at least split these four games, but I also realize they were all on the road (yes counting neutral site) and with the exception of Bama, they were all close games. Like most folks I also did not like the playcalling of Borges at times throughout the year. The harsh truth is that we lack depth in critical areas and it was obvious at ties when key individuals went down this season. The sky is not falling, however, I do think there needs to be some subtle changes in coaching strategy and style in the off-season. The coaches know their team and players far better than any of us, but maybe strategically we can be more in sync. I hate to bring fester with old wounds yet the RR hangover is still noticable at times, especially in our depth. In the long run we are heading in the right direction.
4 losses
4 losses to what "appear" to be the #1,2, and 4 teams in the country. Alabama I can deal with. But Notre Dame, Nebraska, and Ohio were all winnable games.
Minus
6 turnovers, we beat ND.
QB debacle, we beat Nebraska.
Al Borges, we beat Ohio.
Clarify: No 3 TO and we beat
Clarify: No 3 TO and we beat Ohio.
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Eh. What makes you think we
Eh. What makes you think we were moving the ball even if those three plays didn't result in turnovers? Two of them were on third down anyway. The Denard fumble is the only one where we were actually somewhat doing something. The ND game we can blame on turnovers because we were moving the ball at will almost but gave it away when we had a chance to score. The turnovers in this game didn't help, but they wouldn't have changed the course of the game, either.
So in your 3 biggest games,
So in your 3 biggest games, you had a lot of turn overs? Sounds like a pattern to me.
The nice thing is what you
The nice thing is what you state. Great losses. But if you look at our wins, we didn't beat any formidable opponents, unless you count Northwestern. No real wins to hang our hats on this year unfortunately
Call Mr. Plow, that's my name, that name again is Mr. Plow
Anyone who thinks OSU is legitimately the #4 team in the country is out of his damn mind.