to play football, not to play trumpet
I am just becoming increasingly disappointed in our fanbase.
In the student section today, there was a guy cheering when Denard went down. This same guy claimed to have better hands than Roy Roundtree and claimed Vincent Smith was 5'3" 140 lbs and that was the reason he 'sucked'. He criticized Denard for running "like a bitch" as well. Some people really shouldn't be allowed to leave their house.
...did you knock that Mo-Fo out?
Instead, I gave him a piece of my mind once he started yelling at Roundtree for dropping a pass even though it was Hemingway. That kept him quiet for about a quarter, but by the end of the game he was at it again.
issues with our "fan" base. I really think a lot of these fans give us a bad rap. These fans of the fair weather variety really bother me. I live in North Carolina now and watching the games on t.v. listening to our fans boo the team, leave the game and sell to opposing fan bases kills me. Why are you a fan? Don't boo your team while on the field/court/ice rink or whatever. Bitch after the game. I think if you can't stay through a full game, you really are not a fan of the team. Because if you were a fan, you would think that anything can happen in the game of football. And for the love of GOD, cheer THROUGHOUT the game, not just on big 3rd downs or at the beginning of the game. Man I wish we could get a fan overhaul, or have people sign an agreement that they will cheer the whole time or they have to sell their tickets to someone who will.
did anybody notice that it got louder in the third and fourth quarter after many of the fair weather fans left. We dont need em, dont come back. I had a few of them behind me too. Just stay away if your not a real fan!
We were also going to get the ball back to start the 2nd half. No decision has ever been more right than the decision to punt there and yet our fanbase continues to bitch about a lack of "wrinkles" (like running up the punter to try and draw the other team offside).
They used to mercilessly boo Lloyd Carr for the same thing. Every single week.
Nothing new under the sun, people.
See post below about my potential fight with 10 year old.
Seriously, fuck that kid.
But that "fake" was going to fool absolutely no one.
The point is it wasn't just a punt. There was some thought put into the situation, some coaching, some time management. It was an attempt to make something out of nothing, even if it had a low percentage chance to succeed,
I wanted them to go for it, too, figuring we needed every potential opportunity to score when we were down. It was the heat of the moment for me and I was wrong, and that's why I don't go to Schembechler Hall every morning when I go to work.
I can only think of one thing that truly irritated me to a point of madness today. All the things you mentioned were annoying, but none were truly maddening. The thing I cannot stand is people who bring their 5 year old kids to games. I apologize to those of you that have well behaved kids who support the team but the screaming high pitched kid (yes there was one behind me) who has no idea what is going on and is constantly just complaining about being there, go away. As you can probably tell I'm not a big fan of kids to begin with. For what its worth I hope they grow up to be avid intelligible Michigan fans. But until they are capable of understanding some aspect of football, please keep them out of the stadium. They aren't doing anyone any favors.
I had to be restrained at the 2007 Rose Bowl (not very hard, because I was pretty shitcanned at that point and knew I was easily outmatched by my buddy with a six inch height advantage) because some dickhead 10 year old kept shouting, "Lloyd Carr is an idiot!" through the entire 4th quarter.
Fan tip #1: If you suck, don't bring your shitty kids to the game, because they will suck even worse.
Fan tip #2: If you've raised 'em right, bring a whole busload.
Same thing applies to restaurants, but I digress. I remember going to my first M game in 73, I was 8, M/OSU, the tie, when those bastards from that place down south tried to tear down the M club banner. I couldn't imagine ever yelling that Bo sucked or booing the team. The times they are a changin'....
Some of my greatest lifetime memories were being taken to Michigan football and basketball games at that age. Nothing worse than "doesn't like kids" guy raining on a proud parent's parade when they try to share Michigan athletics with their kids.
I'm glad I can say I saw the Fab Five play, or Desmond Howard the season he won the Heisman. My kids and grandkids are going to hear about that. Not about the time my dad left me sitting at home to watch on TV. (Though they will also hear about how my parents did do that for the Notre Dame game in '91--I got to excitedly run around my grandparents' house after Desmond dove for the The Catch. After which point I went out in the front yard with my football and threw myself diving catches all afternoon. Childhood is grand.)
That's great and if your kids can behave in a way that is acceptable to society, great, bring them. But don't bring kids that are going to annoy the crap out of everyone around them.
In all the games I've been to I can't think of any kids that kept me from enjoying the game. Howeva, drunk frat guy, know-it-all fan repeating phrases he read in the newspaper that morning to sound like he knows what he is talking about, and yell at the coach like he can hear you guys all have made me want to punch them in the face. Can we convince people to leave them at home, instead?
Last weekend, MSU game, this ten year old little shit next to me kept stealing my seat every damn time I stood up, constantly screaming "what is this?" "we lost" "are you kidding me?" over and over and over again. This started in the second quarter. Combined with Down In Front guy on the other side of me, they combined to make that the single worst gameday experience I've had at the Big House. I've been to more games than I can count, but this one really sucked because of the shitty fans around me. Cheer better, people.
I've met "don't like kids" fan...seriously, it's a god damned game. I've got the $50 for my kid's ticket and how else is she going to learn about the stadium experience except when I take her? So we go and she's well behaved...and likes some pizza.
As for the misbehaving kids...I'd walk over ot their parents and tell them to make junior STFU and if they don't then just follow up with an usher or two.
FWIW, if some shit canned fan started bitching about my kids we'd be meeting after in the parking lot while mom took the kids back to the truck.
You go tell some other fan's kids to STFU, but if someone else bitched about your kids, you'd jump them in the parking lot? Interesting double standard there...
Or so he says he'll jump them in the parking lot.
I would not tell the kid to STFU; I wouldn't have a problem telling the parent (quietly, mind you) to help Junior do so. As for the parking lot, that comment related to my *polite* kids.
End of the day, your kid's behavior in the stadium is not up to them...it is up to you as the parent.
I still dislike "I don't like kids" fan.
Winning cures all. That's it. No secret. That's what fans want, and that's what Michigan fans had always had. Oh, and not just in September, the conference schedule counts too.
But the other guys posting here are right. Winning sure makes a hell of a difference.
Michigan is 83-27 in homecoming games, and factoring in today's loss has won 12 of the last 16. They also have a 5-4 record against Iowa in homecoming games now.
I work the ticket gates and occaisionally I'll see someone bring in a book to read, and when I do see it, I'll immediately ask - loudly - "A BOOK? WHAT DO YOU NEED A BOOK FOR?" They usually just smile sheepishly and move on...
Hehe, '79 against Indiana, our tradition of beating the Hoosers lives on!!!
Never Boo YOUR team!!! When I yelled at people who were booing, they tried to defend themselves by saying they were booing the coaching. These KIDS are not going to tell the difference! NOT OK!!!!
The "kids" are smart. They know that people are booing at the decision to punt. It's not like people were booing after Denard or Tate's picks. They were booing a decision and the "kids" aren't dense enough to be naive to that.
I was in the student section today, admittedly still a little drunk by half, and I was booing. I don't, and still don't, think is was "smart football" to punt then. At some point, as the underdog, you have to make a play. It was 4th and 4. Everyone in the world saw the "fake punt, draw them offsides" play coming. When you have Denard you should take some chances and trust your playmakers. I did not like the call no matter what traditionalists will call "smart."
And, FWIW, I bet the Mathlete's stats would be in favor of going for it in that situation.
To be fair, there was a lot more booing than just the decision to punt. It just can't be a good feeling for the team or even recruits. I understand that people get frustrated, but i just wish booing wasn't an option.
Fair enough. That instance was the biggest booing of the game, from where I was from. I think it was warranted. I think there was also some booing after a ridiculous penalty? Can't exactly remember the exact plays, but I think from where I was, most booing was done at decisions by coaches or general sucktitude towards the coaching staff - not at players.
This was also the first time I've heard a "Fire Rich Rod" chant in the student section. I know that means nothing... but it doesn't mean nothing. The students have been adament supporters of the new regime and it worries me that public opinion may start to drastically shift to the negative if we don't turn it around immediately against PSU.
And it's all those dang blue hairs we have to get rid of. Don't you read this site? Funny if the only place to chant that was the student section...
Because someone here told me the students were always there and ready for the BIG games, I watched at breaks today. The student section still wasn't filled at the end of the 1st quarter. And by the 10 minute mark of the 4th, there were a lot of students dressed as seats.
Related, the town was amazingly dead for a big game. There was more traffic and activity at 9 am last week than there was before game time today. Empty seats. The atmosphere took a big hit. I fear what it'll be like if we lose to PSU...
Well, honostly, this game in the fourth quarter was the loudest I've ever heard the Big House. Granted I've only been going to games for 5 years, but even with people leaving early, the place was rocking during the comeback.
EDIT: And it was fall break - many students had already left campus for the 4-day weekend before Saturday.
I sit right next to you. THe Student Section is the heart and soul of that stadium.
I think it has less to do with the loss to MSU and more to do with it being fall break and students like to go see their families once in awhile. It's always good to assume things like a jackass though.
We were about to get the ball back to start the second half, we had literally nothing to lose by trying to draw them offsides and then punt it away. I would have been pissed had we gone for it there, and I'm generally of the opinion that with our offense, we should go for it almost always. Not there though.
but in this case I believe that you are completely wrong that the kids know that people were booing a decision.
These are young men. College sports is a very emotional thing. They get pumped by a cheering crowd. They are a team. They feel betrayed by a booing home crowd. They're bust their asses and we are booing them.
Do you really think the kids get anything but let down by that?
They might not say it in a press conference afterwards, but it hurts on the field.
It is the ultimate in poor sportsmanship when you boo your own team.
And it's absolute crap to believe that the kids understand that you are booing the coaching.
The Team, The Team, The Team.
If you want to boo - buy Lion's tickets. If you want to boo, go boo the pros. They're men and they're doing it for a living. Maybe they'll know who you're booing and who you are not.
Think before you do something as stupid as vent your frustration on kids that are trying their hardest and are playing for The Team. Your Team.
Or go away.
Are the boo birds so dense that they don't realize what a negative atmosphere this makes for our current players, to say nothing of any recruits attending the game?
That pretty much sums you up, doesn't it?
If you are suggesting (as I'm sure you are) that you have the intellect of a 10 year old child and that I would have to exert all my willpower to restrain myself from harming you physically if we ever met in person, then yes, you have summed me up perfectly.
He was joking, and you're a dick. Go cheer for Sparty, please.
You are seriously pathetic here. You did talk about using physical violence against a ten year old and now your weird way of proving a point is to put dahblue's boo comment at the bottom of your posts? You are so wrong it's comical.
You are one tremendously lame fan.
Are the boo birds so dense that they don't realize what a negative atmosphere this makes for our current players, to say nothing of any recruits attending the game?
I forgot to mention the effect it has on recruiting. Tremendous negative karma to a high school kid and his parents.
And there are so many people that don't know any better who will just think that booing is acceptable.
A football snob fighting with a child...funny stuff.
I actually feel bad for the people around both of you
I find it funny that people (north end zone) wont stand up during game play, but as soon as there is a time out, they all stand up.???
I'm in 36 and we stood for most of the game.
LMAO at boo bird changing recruiting commitments. Wins some fukcing games and we will get plenty of recruits. Even if grandma boos sh1tty coaching and performance.
And anywhere they go where the team is losing, they probably hear that.
The idea we're more worried about recruits hearing things or reading things on message boards than how they react to not winning is kinda putting the cart before the horse.
I'm confident that you talk with recruits and their parents often so you would know that a home crowd booing it's team has no effect on a 17 year olds decision.
Q: If you're looking for a job and you have several to chose from - do you go to one that has a negative environment?
End of discussion.
agree any more! especially with point #1.
Our offense had trouble moving the ball in the first half. At some point, you have to take a chance and go for the points.
Punting there was not a good decision, and I stand by that.
Our offense may have had trouble scoring, but it certainly didn't have trouble moving the ball.
Dumbass fans will slowly get sifted out until we get back to winning 8 or 9 games a season. In the meantime, they'll likely jump on the Sparty or Buckeye bandwagon so they can always feel like winners.
It bugs the shit out of me we're playing inconsistent football, and I'm not even angry with the staff like I was earlier in the season. I just want Michigan to be great again, regardless of who's coaching or playing. It happens tho. Great teams go through bad times. Nebraska needed a good 6/7 years to be good again. I don't think we'll have a problem, but we're going to see dumbass fans in the meantime. Like those who refuse to go through bad times and just talk shit up like they own the program. Others, like Sparty shits will talk smack until they're blue in the face because they haven't been relevant... ever until now.
In summary. Just endure. Don't be a dumbass. And remember to support the program.
8 or 9 wins is what basically got Carr out of favor with the fans
Is another's dream season.
This is ridiculously inaccurate and you know it. No one has ever said "We should settle for going 8-4." The correct argument (in my opinion, and people are more than welcome to disagree if they can back up their assertions regarding whether or not it is likely to happen) is that this team can go 8-4 this year, and is setup to win 10+ games after that for a very long time (seeing as how teams that return 20 starters from 8-4 teams tend to do okay).
If the fact that I would fight a child to defend Lloyd Carr's honor doesn't put us on the same page, what will?
Stop bragging about using physical violence on children. You're a sack of shit. While we're at it you should probably stop with the "I went to UofM" story. You were proven to be a liar long ago but you continue it?
As a student: The block M was terrible. Maybe from an aerial view it wasn't as bad, but from where I was, people had just taken pink shirts and then moved to other sections to sit with their friends. It looks disjointed and poorly executed.
Why did this happen? Well, last year the block M was very well executed. This is because it was put right in the middle, where the Juniors and some Seniors are. Now, it's in Soph and Freshman territory.
I understand that it was probably moved because the curvature of the stadium made the M look a bit strange, but that can be corrected with better shirt placement, and really looks better than a half-M half-blob.
Another reason it irks me: I'm currently right in the area where the block M was last year, and I really want to be a part of it, damn it!
A: If you want to be a part of the block M, just move there. It's the fucking student section, nobody cares where anyone sits.
B: Upperclassmen are moved to the "left", that is towards the <30 sections. Freshmen/sophomores are not in section 25-26. It is almost exclusively upperclassmen, so I don't know where you are getting your info from.
C: The Block M might have been weak yesterday for the following reasons:
So long story short: It's not much of a story.
was tough with the students on fall break. stil, pathetic.
If the 4th down chart has taught me anything, this was not "smart football." i also agree with the previous poster who said the fake punt wasn't fooling anyone. Not to say it isn't worth trying, as we had the timeout to burn and wouldn't need it anyway. However, iowa didn't even come out in a return formation; no one was deep.
To me, this is effectively the same move as punting against MSU late in the 4th quarter last week. Shows a lack of confidence in both the offense (to convert) and the defense (to hold) with around a minute left on the opposition 45 yard line. With our dynamic offense and struggling defense, we should be taking every opportunity to put points on the board, especially when trailing by 14 points. Again, reference the 4th down chart. That is go territory.
With that out of the way, I will agree with your assessment of M fans at present. I had a blast getting into it when we rallied, but most of the day I felt there must be no fan base in the nation with more malaise.
It's funny when Michigan was down 28-7, there was an Iowa guy sitting next to me and I said, "You watch...Michigan is going to make a heck of a comeback." They did. Unfortunately, the defense gave up another 10 points (Or was that the kicker....). And how could you cheer when Denard went down anyway? I still think he is the future of the team. Although, Forcier looked good but he hand his moments too.
You never should go for 4th and 4 at the 50 when your getting the ball back. Doing that would would would be terrible if you didn't make it, as the OP said.
ANGRY SELL YOUR TICKETS OR BITCH ALL DAY AND BOO FOR NO GOOD REASON THEN LEAVE EARLY HATING MICHIGAN FAN
Is it me, or can anyone else picture the OP saying this like those Real Men of Genius Bud Light commercials?
listening to an 18 year old kid, yell at RR, that this is his last season. He also claimed we lost 10 scholarships due to practice gate, the basketball team will be starting 5 freshman, didn't know who #77 was, but had inside sources that if RR doesn't win 10 games he will be fired. All of this along with the professor, whom sits next to me, yelling about how stupid the kids are and what not. I seriously hated everyone around me today, I would have rather sat in a sea of Iowa fans. I can deal with yelling, I can deal with kids that are excited. I can't deal with idiots, and even worse idiots that spew shit from the mouth that they have no clue about.
Yeah bro, anybody that plays DnD can't possibly know shit about football because they're nerds, right??????????????? Fucking nerds, man. Fucking nerds. Video game players too bro. They should go outside sometime and see the sun man. Fucking nerds. There's no way a bunch of World of Warcraft nerds that are excited about their level 12 paladin could understand a corner route!
Fucking nerds, bro.
1) The booing. You never, EVER boo your own team/players, no matter what. I had flashbacks to the Oregon game from a few years ago.
2) The DBs in the Stanford gear. Really? If you're not all in, go home.
3) Right before the second half began and the band(s) were playing "The Yellow and Blue", this DB in my section began yelling at Gibbons who was warming up/stretching right below our section. This "fan" belittled Gibbons and even swore at him. Gibbons looked up, smiled and kept stretching/warming-up. Needless to say, I was FURIOUS and very, very close to throwing down.
Things that made me happy:
1) Tate's comeback heroics revisited/the way he came over to the student section during the media timeout to pump us up. Confession: I started crying when he ran that TD in--I was just super overwhelmed by how far he's come. He's a different guy than he was at the UCONN game. He even sought out Adrian Clayborn after the game and gave him a giant hug/presumably congratulated him on a great game.
2) Kenny Demens. I can't wait to see what he accomplishes.
3) The fans who stayed til the end and stuck by our team. We're going to be okay. RR's my coach and this is still my team. I'm headed to Happy Valley in a couple weeks to watch Michigan give the Nittany Lions all we got.
There's no crying in football.
+1 for your common sense approach to being a good fan.
I am not a rr supporter and never have been, but I ALWAYS root for Michigan football, and will never boo him or the team. I want to see us win and stay out of violations, nothing else. The people behind me were complaining about the play calling then, when they rr called what the people behind us thought they shouldn't do that.
The people within eyesight of me who were wearing the Stanford gear, and the people who were within earshot of me that cheered when Denard got hurt, and then booed when he walked off under his own power was rather sobering.
On all the Stanford gear : There seemed to be quite a bit of that yesterday. More of it too suggest it was just some random few hundred people to think of that "clever" idea all on their own. Was there some sort of, everybody wear Stanford gear pep rally that I never heard about?
early part of it. It was especially disappointing bc there was Iowa fans sticking around in our student section. Its hard not to get frustrated about turnovers and penalties, but my theory was that it was much more productive to give heck to the Iowa fans sitting near me. I'll give them credit, they took a lot of crap from me and took it well. To be honest I think they got off kind of light for sitting in the student section, but its all about doing it right. I can just imagine the types of things that would happen if there was a UM student sitting in the student section @ an MSU or OSU game.
It is a little ignorant to comment on leaving the game early. I mean personally I left because my little brother who is 13 was being annoyed by the dumbass fans that were siting in front of him bitching the whole game. So I said it was alright that we left, and we went to our car two blocks away and played catch listening to the stadium from there. I think your comments are all connected by one thing, and it's the fans that really have no business being at the game if they are going to only bash the team the entire game. I feel that if you're only going to bitch and moan while there and not support the team, then there is no reason for you to show up.