"3 Strikes"
I saw some people wondering what the "3 strikes" thing was. Hoke talked about it at the recent coaching clinic and it goes as follows
If you do something dumb that hurts the team or the school you get a strike. This would be something like skipping a class.
Strike 1 - You get up at 5 in the morning with the S+C coach and push a 45lb weight plate up and down the field for an hour.
Strike 2 - You do the same for multiple days
Strike 3 - Your whole unit comes in and participates with you...ie... if Obi had 3 strikes the whole linebacker core would come in,
Strike 4 - Hoke said no has come back from a 4th strike...at this point your whole side of the ball would come in at 5AM and push the plate.
January 30th, 2011 at 1:30 AM ^
Wow. Can you imagine if he also made the offending player inform the others? That would be really hardcore,
Imagine telling MM or Taylor Lewan that they had to get up at 5 to make up for your dumbass mistakes.
January 30th, 2011 at 1:32 AM ^
I'd just tell Lewan that he'd cost us 45 yards in penalties the last game, so he can deal with it. I'd feel horrible telling the other guys though.
January 30th, 2011 at 1:34 AM ^
Fair enough point, but I doubt you'd wake him up at five to say that to his face. Not saying I would either.
Maybe Suh would have the guts...not me.
January 30th, 2011 at 1:41 AM ^
If I could do it anonymously through the internet I totally would.
January 30th, 2011 at 1:42 AM ^
I'd totally go with you, too.
January 30th, 2011 at 2:21 AM ^
Pussy
January 30th, 2011 at 2:32 AM ^
When it comes to MM or Lewan...fair enough.
Good point sir.
January 30th, 2011 at 9:12 AM ^
I'm totally with you, I think I would run like a little bitch. I would just hope I can run faster than them. However, I think they would find me, by following the turd trail to my location.
January 30th, 2011 at 7:05 PM ^
Lewan? How about telling Molk he's getting up at 5 for your mistakes...
January 30th, 2011 at 1:31 AM ^
This is related purely to off-the-field indiscretions, correct? Or would players get a "strike" for, say, flubbing a drill over and over in practice? Or blowing an assignment and giving up a game-winning TD?
January 30th, 2011 at 10:24 AM ^
Sounds mostly like it's for off-the-field stuff.
January 30th, 2011 at 1:36 AM ^
Darian Cooper mentioned this on his twitter. He later tweeted "Haha I'm not afraid of the 3 strike rule I'm to chill to b getting in trouble"
So I'm assuming that it has to do with off the field issues mainly.
January 30th, 2011 at 1:38 AM ^
It's nice to know that he is telling these kids straight up what he expects, without sugar coating these type of things.
January 30th, 2011 at 1:41 AM ^
"They got a 3 strike rule over here that would make people consider quitting football" -Cooper
Figured I would throw this in for anyone to lazy to follow the link to his twitter.
January 30th, 2011 at 1:52 AM ^
I'm not angry about this, and it is late, but for your own benefit, there's an edit button that you can use to append to your posts as long as no one has replied to it yet. That way you don't have to make a ton of new posts every time you want to add to your thought.
January 30th, 2011 at 1:58 AM ^
Thanks, I'll take the constructive criticism as it was intended. No worries
January 30th, 2011 at 1:37 AM ^
I would think a strike is more in line with a violation of team rules, such as missing a class, or being late to a meeting. Serious violations, of course, are going to carry more severe penalties than pushing weights.
If a guy gets to strike 4, and the whole side of the ball has to do this, that guy's in line for a soap-in-towel party, a la Full Metal Jacket.
January 30th, 2011 at 1:42 AM ^
imagine many getting past 1 strike. Plate/ground sled pushes are the hell of working out.
After the first couple you :
A. can't breath or catch your breath from being in a squated/pushing position and
B. feel like your going to puke since it flips your stomach around.
January 30th, 2011 at 1:46 AM ^
Back in my sports playing days (8th grade basketball... I was the third stringer on a team of 11 guys) the whole team had to do 10 pushups every time someone missed a layup. I got so nervous for every one that I think I was personally responsible for 150 in one practice, and I don't think I've ever felt like that much of a fool since.
At least I wasn't the one that yelled airball at an opposing player from the bench, causing the coach to make us run suicides for a half hour before practice the next day.
All this just means that I love the policy. It works. Much better than having to tell the team you're academically ineligible or are being suspended.
January 30th, 2011 at 1:49 AM ^
Same. Playing hockey I would hate to cause a sixty second drill (every coaches favorite punishment).
January 30th, 2011 at 1:51 AM ^
I don't know what that is, but I'm pretty sure 60 consecutive seconds of physical activity would kill me.
January 30th, 2011 at 1:55 AM ^
Ever seen Miracle?
Blueline, back. Redline, back. Far blueline, back. Goal line, back.
They had 45, high school got us a break and gave us 60- as long as it included goalies. Yikes. I hated running those things at the end of practice.
January 30th, 2011 at 12:47 PM ^
Same concept as basketball, only in bball, had to touch the floor at each interval, fore and back. Free throw line, back to end line. Half court line, back to end line. Opposite free throw line, back to end line. Opposite end line and back full court. And always at the end of practice.
January 30th, 2011 at 12:54 PM ^
In basketball, we called those quarter-courts.
January 30th, 2011 at 2:40 PM ^
Your school was full of pc assholes then. The drill is a suicide. I ran them in high school. They sucked.
January 30th, 2011 at 9:47 PM ^
Our high school Football coach had 30 second drills. This was not punishment it was for conditioning. If you were fat you ran 30 yards, medium your ran 40 yards, and if you were skinny you ran 50 yards. Basically everyone would start at the goal line and you had 30 seconds to run down to your respected line and jog back. then the coach would blow his whistle and you would do it again until he felt we had enough. Usually it would end when more kids were puking than running.
January 30th, 2011 at 1:56 AM ^
We definitely got this kind of punishment more in basketball, compared to football. Oddly enough we had a drill called the Michigan drill where you went consecutively for 5 minutes full court shooting lay-ups as a team. One person missed, you stopped and did suicides, then started over. With Football, team punishment like this was only when there was an off the field issue or a lack of effort in a drill. Never for a physical mistake. Like you said though, it was effective, no doubt.
January 30th, 2011 at 9:16 AM ^
You are completely correct Sir. This type of penalty would be better than having to explain to your team that you are academically ineligible or are suspended (IE Tate.)
January 30th, 2011 at 7:51 PM ^
I've used something similar on baseball teams I've coached. It's very effective and you will see clubhouse leaders stepup and deal with situations so the coaches don't have to.
Liking Hoke more everyday.
January 30th, 2011 at 11:19 PM ^
It should bring accountability to individuals, force guys to step into leadership roles to keep their teammates accountable, and the toughness that Hoke repeatedly talked about. It might bring a sense of togetherness too, though I think this team is very unified since they've been through a lot. I would hate to have to go through this personally, but I think the team is going to benefit a lot from this rule.
January 30th, 2011 at 1:54 AM ^
Ehhh I don't know how I feel about skipping class gets you a strike. Skipping class all the time, sure, but every once in a while doesn't hurt. It's not like anything happens during discussion anyways. I skip once or twice every few weeks and I'm still rockin the Deans List.
January 30th, 2011 at 4:19 AM ^
I only agree with this if the student already has good grades. If they have a 3.5+, then sure you dont' need to be so strict. If they don't have a good gpa, then they should probably be forced to go to class.
January 30th, 2011 at 2:45 PM ^
Yes, but I bet you had better test scores and a higher gpa than most (if not all) of our football players. Also, you don't have to practice/train/rehab like they do. Its not even apples and oranges at that point. Its a completely different game.
Ed: directed at gomaize.
January 30th, 2011 at 6:45 AM ^
Perhaps, but this is still good policy for a team that wants to take its academics seriously. If I was a parent, this would be a plus for me with respect to my son's education as a student-athlete.
January 30th, 2011 at 2:14 AM ^
I'm guessing coach is setting the standard higher than the average student. I like it, accountability and discipline is exactly what this team needs.
January 30th, 2011 at 2:21 AM ^
this is very good. Hoke needs to be serious and straight-forward with them. NO MORE CISSOKOs!!!!!!
January 30th, 2011 at 8:52 AM ^
Wasn't Cissoko an LC recruit who ended up in RR's first class? Also, Cissoko didn't get any enabler-type breaks from the staff; he was held responsible for his own behavior, and was eventually kicked off of the team by RR. There really weren't many discipline problems under RR, and those who went off of the "Bell Curve" were removed from the team.
Also, I am guessing that facing Barwis for disciplinary action wasn't any picnic.
January 30th, 2011 at 7:57 AM ^
Tate would probably be at strike 4 by now.
January 30th, 2011 at 9:29 AM ^
Darryl Stonums tweet:
just ran to class n barely made it #NoStrikesForMe lol my teammates kno what im tlkin about....new coach plays no games with class
web • 1/26/11 12:14 PM
January 30th, 2011 at 9:57 AM ^
Daryl Stonum running through the Diag, with half his weight in books...
January 30th, 2011 at 11:46 AM ^
I took Bacon's class during the same semester as Darius Morris. Bacon doesn't mess around with attendance, and we had a paper due that day. Basically, if you were one second late to class that day, you failed. I was booking it with my heavy ass back pack, then saw Darius fly by me. Thank God we made it, but it was pretty funny.
January 30th, 2011 at 10:37 AM ^
Try running to class on North Campus sometime. It's hilly and you have to cut through fields and stuff without all the nice, flat sidewalks on Central Campus.
January 30th, 2011 at 11:14 AM ^
I think I travel more vertically than horizontally on my walk to NC.
January 30th, 2011 at 3:01 PM ^
Because at least the NAME building is closer to a parking lot...
January 30th, 2011 at 10:02 AM ^
but they need to be cautious about going overboard in the wake of the Iowa weightroom fiasco.
January 30th, 2011 at 10:08 AM ^
I like the strike policy. It makes the players accountable & brings in their teammates if they're not.
Keep up the good work Hoke...I like everything you're doing so far!
January 30th, 2011 at 10:13 AM ^
It should be noted for any potential observers that the strike one offenders "voluntarily" get up at 5am to push that weight plate with the S&C staff (and so on and so forth for all other strike type punishments).
Can't be too careful about these things, just in case the Freep decides to get a bug up their ass about the new staff any time soon.
January 30th, 2011 at 10:37 AM ^
I think the Free Press won't try to blow up the football team when it appears that one of their guys is in house
January 30th, 2011 at 12:59 PM ^
@coldnjl, that may be true, but that type of punishment (5 am with Barwis, no picnic) for skipping class was one of the NCAA infractions bc it was in the summer, off-season. Anything going on right now would also have to be voluntary bc it's off season.
The F***p might not go actively looking for stuff on Hoke, but they'd run it to boost their anemic subscription numbers.