Kugler, McGovern, Pocic?
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Kugler, McGovern, Pocic?
Kugler this weekend
McGovern on 3/10
Fuck it. Let's just sign our who class now and start working on 2014.
I wonder if anyone has ever done that?
That's your answer. That's your answer for everything! Tatoo it on your forehead!
Bring in guys you want, take the first to jump on board.
Stone cold masher! Drives people across the field just to finish them off in a smoldering heap! Love him.
Anyone have an idea why they are hitting the line so hard? I would understand if they are all interior lineman, but man the coaches must really want these guys to stay fresh during games because there is jsut no way you can keep some of these guys off the field.
Not sure if you're serious.
Have you looked at the potential 2013 depth chart on offensive line?
It'd be nice to have a 2 DEEP again.
After 2013 the only scholarship O-Lineman on the team will be those in the 2012 and 2013 class. Plus Jack Miller and Chris Bryant.
Numbers wise, the situation was worse this year (2011) than it is likely to be in 2013 or 2014. I think there were only 10 scholarship OL's in 2011. Hoke and Co. were fortunate to have so few injuries
|50||David Molk||OL||6-2||286||RS SR||Lemont, Ill. (Lemont Township)|
|52||Ricky Barnum||OL||6-3||292||RS JR||Lakeland, Fla. (Lake Gibson)|
|57||Elliott Mealer||OL||6-5||310||RS JR||Wauseon, Ohio (Wauseon)|
|58||Chris Bryant||OL||6-4||341||FR||Chicago, Ill. (Simeon)|
|60||Jack Miller||OL||6-4||263||FR||Perrysburg, Ohio (St. John's Jesuit)|
|63||Rocko Khoury||OL||6-4||287||RS JR||Traverse City, Mich. (Traverse City West)|
|65||Patrick Omameh||OL||6-4||299||RS JR||Columbus, Ohio (St. Francis DeSales)|
|72||Mark Huyge||OL||6-6||302||RS SR||Wyoming, Mich. (Catholic Central)|
|75||Michael Schofield||OL||6-7||299||RS SO||Orland Park, Ill. (Carl Sandburg)|
|77||Taylor Lewan||OL||6-8||302||RS SO||Scottsdale, Ariz. (Chaparral)|
As for 2012, we stand to have 12 scholarship OL with a possibility of 13 if Kozan comes aboard
As for 2013 we have 12 as it stands now but it could be 14 and the possibiltiy of 15 with AJ Williams shifting from TE if needed. M would have to have horrible attrition rate to match the 10 scholarship number of 2011
|OT (5 + 2)||
|OG (5 - 1)||
|C (2 - 1)||J. Miller*||R. Khoury*|
But you really have to look at it as "number of non-true frosh OL," of which we had 8 in 2011, because guys like Miller and Bryant weren't going to play unless it was dire.
That means that in 2013, we'll again have 8, and that assumes no attrition and that Lewan stays for his 5th year. Not only that, but at least three and maybe four of those 8 will be redshirt freshmen in 2013, meaning that in 18 months, we'll have at least one OL starter who is not yet on campus, and we won't have a single back-up who has seen the field even in mop up duty.
That's why getting Kozan will be huge and losing Stacey hurt. Bright side - 2015 and 2016 should be good years for the OL.
More bright side: We have Graham Glasgow a 6'7'' 315 preferred walkon who redshirted this season and probably passed on some schollies to attend M. former Wolverine great Kurt Becker was his HS coach and says he could start in the BIG
Then there is Dan Gibbs 6'7'' 315, who will be preferred walkon next season and passed on some MAC scholarships to attend Michigan
Exactly, if even one of those guys can step up and be a quality back-up or spot starter, we're in good shape. Definitely add Erik Gunderson to that list who is 6'8" 312 on the roster, and who got some reps in the spring game last year, and I'm sure will again this year with the loss of Huyge. He'll still be around in 2013 (likely) and if he's a solid back-up at tackle it would help a lot.
the depth at O-Line. The depth has been scary thin for years now. I think most now are getting used to having just a starting 5 with 1-2 backups. The norm is to have 8-9 with a few redshirting....which is what Hoke is trying to establish now. Also the inevitable fact hat at least a few won't live up to the rankings comes into play as well.
Is Steven Elmer visiting?
Only if you can arrange a sit-down with John U. Bacon.
...that the commenter on this story suggested rather matter-of-factly that Elmer(?) was "Visiting today. Flipping tonight?"
I know nothing about the author of the story, nor the commenter.
I just ask questions.
btw; I think all of our recruits ought to have a sit-down with John U. Bacon, for what it's worth.
Via twitter; Elmer is NOT going to flip to UM.
I was hoping Kozan and Diggs were 2 of the 3.
Can Diggs play Center?
I think they look at Diggs as a replacement for Glanda, a guy that can snap the ball and catch passes.
LTT must be spending a TON on gas money driving from Peoria to Ann Arbor almost every weekend. I love the enthusiasm he has for Michigan though.
Where are those boosters with free Corvettes when you need them?
Around graduation when big-daddy booster makes it rain.
I thought he had been taking the train.
Ran into LTT earlier this week and he said he's making a trip to Ann Arbor this weekend and was also trying to get Ty Isaac to go along with him. It appears Shane isn't the only commit doing some recruiting.
LTT said dpecifically there were three guys he was trying to lure to the good side. I assume Isaac and Treadwell are two of those, but I have no idea who the third is.
Don't forget that not every lineman that you bring in becomes a starting-quality player. You're going to lose someone to grades/behavior/personal problems and someone's going to get hurt. Someone's not going to be as good as you hoped.
If you bring in 10 over two years and seven of them are quality players, you're probably doing really well.
Not really sure the best way to word this question but:
If the OL line class fills up, how do the coaches deal with staying in the game for other OL prospects (to possibly pick up as insurance should someone in class decommit) when they may have had an offer extended to them but now no room left?
I don't suspect/hope for any of our current commits to change their mind, but when a position fills so early a lot can happen before signing day.
First of all, you continuously recruit the guys you have committed so they stay that way. If they're seeing you regularly and hearing from you often, then they'll be less likely to decommit, or at least you'll know about it when they're thinking about it.
Then, you keep in touch with the other guys you'd like, and sometimes you just take one more guy than you had targetted for. If you know you need 4 OL in a class, for example, you take verbals from 5. That way, if one guy decommits, you already have his replacement in the class. If they all stick, then you make up for it by taking one less guy the next year, no big deal.
There's no perfect way, but those are what the coaches do to cover themselves.
Thanks. That makes a lot of sense. In a way I'd been worried thinking it's better to be in position we are now (full except for one spot - and many candidates to fill it) then to be completely full. I no longer have that worry.
The other side of it is, if the coaches have one spot left for a certain position group, they're only going to take the kids they really want. So whoever Michigan takes next at OL, it will be a guy the staff loves, you can be assured of that.
I thought the coaches were on vacation this weekend. Isn't that why Green's visit got canceled?
Sometime in the year 2015:
Coach Hoke: Shane, we need you to get rid of the ball more quickly. I dont care if their d-line gave up in the first quarter.
Morris: But coach...if i sip these tea and crumpets too quickly...i burn my tongue. plus i brought bread and salami from home
Hoke: WHAT DID I TELL YOU ABOUT MAKING SANDWICHES IN THE POCKET!?
Yeah I like the part where Shane's so untouched in the pocket he has time to become British.
Maybe it's the bourbon I'm drinking, but damn that was funny
has ever seen "crumpets." Tea, maybe.
It's similar to a scone.
I've just finished eating crumpet. And she was a saucy one, by golly my ole chap!
I've just finished eating a crumpet. And she was a saucy one, by golly my ole chap!
Wow, Michigan was something special! #feelslikehome #goblue
I assume you mean Kugler, but that would be an awesome last OL for this class. He's legit, and has the offer list to back it up. I'd be just fine with him being our last OL.
Who would you guys rather have to fill the last OL spot in this class? Pocic, McGovern, or Kugler? I personally would want Pocic, McGovern, then Kugler in that order but I would like to see what others think. I like the fact McGovern is expected to still grow and fill out so that is why I placed him above Kugler. All 3 of these guys are fantastic lineman though and I would be happy with any of the 3.
I would switch Kugler and McGovern, but that's mostly because Kugler has been offered by tons of great schools, and I trust their scouting. But I agree that you can't really go wrong with any of them.
I think most will go Pocic at #1. McGovern can be as good or better than Pocic and Kugler. Those are only projections if he reaches his max, though. For right now I'll go Pocic, Kugler, and then McGovern. The three are not exactly identical, which is somewhat strange because one will potentially fill the last O-line spot. Pocic and McGovern are ideal tackle size at 6-7 and Kugler is listed from 6-4 to 6-5.
I will preface this by saying that I haven't seen much of McGovern but I would put my list at: Pocic, Kugler, and McGovern in that order. Pocic is going to be an elite tackle at the next level and I love his nastiness. Kugler seems like the most versatile of the three and with proper coaching could probably fit in anywhere along the line. McGovern has the potential to be good but from what I have seen and read (again, not as much as I would like) he seems like something of a project and we've already taken a few guys that fit that bill (Taco, LTT, Dukes) and I would feel better if we had a guy that would be further along even if his ceiling wasn't necessarily as high.
I was doing a bit of reading on Kugler and found out that he grew up in Michigan. He's had nothing but really positive things to say about his UM visit (they seem very genuine too). 247 is hinting that his decision isn't too far away, as well. The title reads: "One of Michigan's top offensive line targets, Patrick Kugler, took a visit to campus in Ann Arbor today, and is nearing a decision". Who knows how "near" he actaully is but he could definitely be our fifth commit on the O-line.
Assuming one of Kugler, Pocic, and McGovern takes the final OL spot, I'm curious to know which of the remaining two fall into the "we'll take you anyway since you're just that good" bucket?
I'd imagine Pocic does, but what's McGovern's story? Can't say I know too much about him.
I love stacking up the lines - yes, please.