Devin Funchess, Jake Ryan, and Blake Countess. Blake Countess might not even be the starter at CB week 1, has this ever happened before in the history of football?
3 Michigan players on ESPN's Preseason All-BIG team
Countess will start
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that the OP can "count" on that...
It is unlikely that the coaches would give Countess the #2 jersey if they didn't expect him to start and be a solid contributor.
It probably has. Rafael Palmeiro won a gold glove when he played about 20 games in the field and spent most of the season at DH, and that was voting done AFTER the season.
With two or three returning starters who were actually quite good potentially being beaten out for their jobs, you have to think the back 7 is going to be pretty damn good this year.
and not only that, they talked about Hackenberg and Indiana's qb as being passed over for Cook. Anyone else think that Gardner is clearly better than everyone except for maybe Miller?
They had Funchess listed as a TE. Mentioned that he may play mostly receiver. This list is not well done.
I do and it's not even close but let's be honest. I hate to beat a dead horse but without solid oline play, you won't see the real Gardner shine and his wins and numbers could cost him.
hmmmm, not ringing any bells.
Kind of hard to dismiss Cook at this point.
No it isn't. Just because he got progressively better as the season went on doesn't mean he should be at the top of the list. He was pretty awful in a handful of games and played well the last two games of the season. If we are only taking into account the second half of the season, Gardner had much better numbers.
He was the B1G Championship game and Rose Bowl MVP. Pretty hard to make a case against that from the outset of the season. Second half of the season was clearly Cook's better half. In the second half of the season outside of the Ohio State game, a loss, Gardner does not have anything to build a strong case with.
A strong case like 10 passing touchdowns and only 1 interception in the last 6 games? And add 5 more rushing touchdowns? 10 of Gardner's 11 interceptions were in the first half of the season, when cook wasn't good enough to start for his own team. This was Gardner's first year as a starting QB also, just like cook. I'm not saying cook won't be good because I think he will, but it isn't tough to think he might not be an all world QB.
Average QB ratings over the last six games of the regular season plus the post season games leaves Connor Cook at 150.3 and Gardner at 147, add in the fact that Michigan State actually won some pretty big games to end the year and it's really not hard to see why Cook should be on top of the list to start the year.
So a difference of 3 QB ratings points gets cook the top candidate and Gardner not mentioned? Even though Gardner had more yards, fewer interceptions, and more rushing TD's? And don't tell Indiana or PSU's quarterbacks that you need to win a lot of games to be mentioned as a contender for the best B10 QB.
yea and if Stanford doesn't drop 2 inexplicable easy INT's that Cook threw right into their chests he probably doesn't win any kind of award..
They couldn't give the award to their entire defense who saved Cook in virtually every game last year, so someone had to get it
During conference play, Gardner threw for more yards and touchdowns than Cook. Just for good measure Gardner threw less interceptions than Cook also, not to mention the rushing yards and touchdowns Gardner offers. In fact Gardner threw the fewest interceptions in the conference during conference play! DG is the conferences leading returner in total offense and passing yards even if you include Braxton Miller! Now consider he was constantly under pressure, had no running game and didn't benefit from one of the best defenses in the country. Gardner is greater than Cook in every area, other than Cook was on a better team.
MSU's offensive line was even worse than Michigan's early on in the season when they had a bunch of injuries. Cook's QB Rating over his final six games were 265, 123, 111, 205, 117, 144, and 151 for an average of 186, compared to 110, 140, 108, 99, 185, and a "Did Not Play" for an average of 128 for Gardner. And it's hard to use the argument that Gardner's ability on the ground makes up for that, considering in those same games he had negative 37 total rushing yards.
These are stat-driven awards, and people think Michigan's suspected offensive line issues are going to continue to hamper Gardner's stats. Cooks stats have skyrocketed ever since MSU got over their offensive line issues, and people don't think those issues will be recurring.
It's hard to feel slighted. Fix the offensive line issues and you don't have to argue that Gardner could be better if only he had a better offensive line.
Depends on if Hackenberg can make the sophomore leap, if Conner Cook can build on the momentum from last year, and if the O line can give Devin two seconds to process the world around him before he is swept off his feet.
I'd say right now, knowing what little we all know, Devin should be the best QB in the Big Ten this year.
I'm thinking Gardner is a way better pick for All Big Ten than Miller this year.
7 Sparty's on the list including the QB and the Big 10 defensive player of the year.
Crazy how things have changed...
We have a WR who's listed as a TE, a OLB that moved to the middle and a corner who might be the 3rd best corner on our team.
How will Sparty mantain their chip on their shoulder if everyone keeps talking them up like this?
They didn't pick MSU players for all 26 spots. INJUSTICE!
I've been wondering this for real though. The entire MSU persona has been built around this direspected, underdog, "Little Brother", etc., image. Dantonio has used this to great affect and he, the players and the fans all took this attitude. Now that they have actually had some success and gained national attention, I wonder if they'll be able to keep that motivation?
New method. We have a bullseye on our back, they want what we got, etc. A good motivator can motivate the team in any situation. I really just care about Sparty when Michigan plays them and they will always have the inferiority complex-thing goin on with that game.
Because we generally beat them in the game of life. MSU alumni will not let their players forget this.
nah, Michigan alums aren't arrogant
I've mentioned, to two different MSU fans, how difficult it is going to be to win at Spartan Stadium this year. Both of them turned the conversation to basketball and how the BIG tournament should decide the BIG champ...Chip remains.
And OSU with only one named? Huh? Clearly Miller would've been the QB, but I would assume mroe than one of their d-linemen would've been named, but what do I know.
UM needs to play a 4-3-6 Over. Only way to get Lewis/Taylor/Peppers/Countess out there at the same time.
I agree. I think with all the pressure he now has on in him he will really struggle this year. He's been extremely lucky , and that's putting it mild.
A 5-6-7 myself.
A man can dream.
4-1-2-1-2 diamond formation is all the rage in the other football.
Can't get too worked up over this, the postseason team will obviously look much different and I have a feeling we will be pleased with the results
Nussmeier for Coach of the Century.