the 3-3-5 rocks!

Submitted by AdverseVillain77 on

I know you guys are going to hate this, but let me just summarize.  It is absolutely freaking asinine that we are running a defense that neutralizes Roh and that 100 percent of all sane  people agree that you cannot run in the big ten.  My solution for iowa/wisconsin/osu.

1.  install the base defensive line of martin, campbell, black, and van bergen

2.  bring in roh on third down as a fifth defensive lineman or move him into ezeh's spot.

3.  let the corner's deal with man coverage, we can only stop one or the other, so be it. If they get torched, thats fine, but lets take away the cutback runs and the backwards roller skates on third and short.

And I don't want to hear anybody saying that freaking Campbell doesn't work hard or Campbell can't play.  Its bullshit.  Camnpbell is a beast and even if even he is Gabe Watson 2.0, it doesn't matter, because at least he would  provide reliability a la cutback lanes so Ezeh didn't have to guess each time.  He will draw a double team and he is a body, period.  End of story.  Those cutback runs yesterday demoralized the team and if GERG can't freaking come up with a solution or continues with this fu--ing insanity, then he will deserve to get what's coming to him.  Freaking moron.

What we are asking for as fans is for him to try to make an adjustment.  This shit 3-3-5 needs to go, it needs to go now, it needs to be extinguished so we can at least let Denard and the offense win us some games in the big ten this year.  We come out next week without campbell and martin anchoring that line, we are done.  Period. neg bang away. 

AdverseVillain77

October 10th, 2010 at 9:12 PM ^

I didn't say that I know more than him, I in fact, know that I don't.  But you have to admit that what I'm suggesting (a traditional defensive line against the heart of the big ten schedule) is really not that crazy, regardless of how bad our defensive backfield is.  Teams have to keep Denard off the field, and to do this, they will attempt to establish the run.  We can't stop the run against wiscy, iowa, and osu with three defensive lineman and Roh.  Thats what yesterday showed us.  IF we run that front against any of those three teams, they are going to kill us. 

david from wyoming

October 10th, 2010 at 9:37 PM ^

But you are implying that you know more than him if you have this great shiny wonderful idea that the team should try because it would fix some problem...and you somehow think GERG hasn't had the same thought.

Just stop. Please.

AdverseVillain77

October 10th, 2010 at 10:41 PM ^

There's more than 1 reason to be afraid of me. If you want to find out make the trip down here some time, I'll show you if you like. - the_big_house 500th

David, literally man, I don't think that personal threatening a fellow fan is really in line with the spirit behind being a michgan fan.  Sorry I made you that angry man.  Go Blue.   

maizedandconfused

October 10th, 2010 at 8:09 PM ^

1. You want to take Roh (arguably one of our better pass rushers) off the field at all points.

2. You want to start Black  at DE instead of an Freshman All American Team Sophmore

3. You want to run man coverage with our corners.

4. Adding an extra DL will turn Ezeh from absolute fail to tackling magician

5. The 3-3-5 is somehow on fire

 

Feel like someone either drank a shitload of redbull.

One of the scariest things I can envision is a team going 3 wide with a TE and HB set under center.  Based on a 4-3 scheme, that puts our CBs on the outsides and either Mouton, Kovacs or Carvin Johnson 1v1 with a slot receiver. Play action (which Ezeh bites) will basically leave Kovacs trying to D up a speedy slot 1v1 with questionable deep support...

AdverseVillain77

October 10th, 2010 at 8:15 PM ^

dude, i love roh but he really hasn't done much this season.  No matter who you have in at linebacker, even if it is ezeh, he doesn't have to guess each time about which wide open hold the running back is going to hit (like he had to yesterday on each of their long td runs that demoralized the team.  With a four man front, Ezeh probably would improve twice as much.  Roh, up to this point, despite his popularity, has been neutralized and simply isn't big enough to play defensive end in the big ten. 

maizedandconfused

October 10th, 2010 at 8:32 PM ^

You do realize that Jibreel is basically the same weight as Roh just 2 in shorter?

You also realize he has 2 tackles on the year.. where as Roh has 21 and a sack?

 

I feel like when you watch the game you dont really watch the game.. Roh, when in a pass rush capacity, has consistently forced the pocket to move or the QB to scramble. He also has been held considerably. I wont discount Black's play on Saturday (he was a solid bright spot) but you cannot expect me to believe that if we gave Roh the ability to put a hand down every play he'd be worse than Black..

zblueman2

October 10th, 2010 at 10:40 PM ^

If GERG actually took all of your suggestions to heart, our opponents would never have to run the ball.  They could throw on every single down and absolutely rape us.  Also, Roh is a beast and hoping that Ezeh will imporve is a complete lost cause.  stop posting

AdverseVillain77

October 10th, 2010 at 8:43 PM ^

dude check this out.  you guys all went to make it so I can't talk here that is fine with me.  You all seem to agree with whatever unsuccessful scheme we have because the coaches who are running it are supposedly experts.    If free speech is something you guys all want to outlaw, so be it. If you have time to score 10 thousand points here, great.  That is sad, but good for you.  Cool.  But do me one favor.  If you have the time post your own thread on why the 3-3-5 is preferable against a traditional big ten powerhouse team.  I challenge you to do this.  You can silence me that way but no matter how much you guys all neg bang me in your frustration over the loss, its not going to stop Terrell Pryor, its not going to stop Iowa, and it certainly isn't going to stop Wisconsin.  I don't mean any disrepsect to Brian, because I think the guy is a genius, and his content is great.  But the rest of you are just transplants from rivals and the insiders, coming over here and ruining free dialgoue by silencing anyone that you don't agree with with your moral majority conventional wisdom.  As fans, with the likes of you, we all deserve to lose. 

-The Vill  

AdverseVillain77

October 10th, 2010 at 9:01 PM ^

But the opposite of the point you make is the entire point behind my post genius.  The conventional argument, as you aptly point out along with your comrades, is that we run the 3-3-5 to compensate for the woes we have in the defensive backfield.  Check.  But against powerhouse running teams in the big ten the gaping whole we leave in the middle with respect to the run outweighs the risk that the defensive backfield prevents.  Would you rather give up the long pass or would you rather have the other team consistently bend us over and control the line of scrimmage?  If they complete a long pass for a touchdown we get the ball back immediately.  Denard, in most games, can compensate by scoring fast.  However, by leaving a hole in the middle with our band-aid defensive line, the other team controls the clock, and thus our destiny.  So I  would opt for the former situation, where we give up the long pass, but don't give up control of the line of scrimmage, and don't give up time with Denard on the field.  Does this make sense to you? 

gbdub

October 10th, 2010 at 9:30 PM ^

dude check this out. No one is trying to ruin America forever by denying your "right" to speak on a webpage privately owned by somebody else. You're not being negbombed because of the thrust of your argument, which is basically "I don't like the way the defense is aligned, why not try this alignment" - that's reasonable, if misguided, and many others have been critical of the current defense without getting hammered for it.

You're being negbombed because you've 1) started an unnecessary new thread (seriously, I think the "don't make new posts" crowd is way too active and even I can tell this would have been better placed in one of a dozen worthy threads), 2) made your argument with inflammatory, hyperbolic, insulting, and occasionally brah-speak riddled posts, and 3) attacked others when they called you on it.

Do 12 Hail-Marys, half a dozen Our Fathers, take a cold shower, reread your posts (recognizing that only the Penitent Man will pass), and try again tomorrow.

-The Gbdub

AdverseVillain77

October 10th, 2010 at 10:28 PM ^

 1) started an unnecessary new thread (seriously, I think the "don't make new posts" crowd is way too active and even I can tell this would have been better placed in one of a dozen worthy threads),

 

I agree that starting unnecessary new threads is annoying and I don't like it when other people do this, and I apologize on that point BUT

, In my defense what I am going to say though is that a topic or post that is critical of the 3-3-5, regardless of which thread it is brought up in,  is always greeted with the reply that it should have been brought up in another thread and that it shouldn't be discussed because it has been discussed extensively already. 

Continuing on that line of reasoning, I thought that what we experienced yesterday during the MSU game brought new relevance to the discussion of  the 3-3-5, because yesterday showed us the result of running this scheme against a team who can run the ball, and MSU is really the first good running team we have faced. Up until yesterday, it was arguably "unknown" how the 3-3-5 would fare against a strong running team.  Given this fact, I made a new topic.

2) made your argument with inflammatory, hyperbolic, insulting, and occasionally brah-speak riddled posts,

I don't recall or see anywhere in this thread where I was insulting unless someone insulted me first without a good critique of my argument however terrible it may or may not be.  When someone insults me or just instructs everyone else to negbang me, my first response is to insult them because I'm thinking, that's just what OSU fans tend to do, not Michigan fans.  So I insult them back, at least on mgoboard.  If Lamaar Woodley insulted me, I would thank him and run away. 

brah-speak

I don't see much Brah-speak in my posts, but then again, this is a site dedicated to football.  To the extent that my screenname originates from common law property doctrine, I figure maybe this would absolve me of any dreaded brah-speak were I to have engaged in it  but perhaps i that isn't enough I could also include a link in my signature to The Smiths Best II, which I own, for my own mgoenjoyment.

attacked others when they called you on it

The general import of how I speak on blogs is not to attack people unless I feel like they are tryng to incite the collective community against me without providing any concrete reason of why I am wrong.  If you look up and down this post, where people bring up relevant issues with my argument I respond to them in a cordial manner. 

If you bring up fact a, and fact b, and fact c, I don't respond by calling you an asshole.  I respond with what I think may be a follow up to the argument or a comment on what they said. Where people just call me an idiot and they don't explain why they are the ones who are being inflammatory, I get pissed.  Granted perhaps I should even concede that even these people deserve cordial responses if the topic Ihave raised is already unpopular, but this behaviour is something I have seen all over the place on this board.

Anyway, thank you for at least not being one of the people who just calls me an idiot but brings some substance to your post. . Go blue!

gbdub

October 11th, 2010 at 12:13 AM ^

I don't recall or see anywhere in this thread where I was insulting unless someone insulted me first

I don't see much Brah-speak in my posts

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, please consider the following Exhibits:

if GERG can't freaking come up with a solution or continues with this fu--ing insanity, then he will deserve to get what's coming to him.  Freaking moron.

on the field with Gerg commandeering our next big ten ass-handed loss.

Unless of course you like losing to these freaking rummy teams every year that we used to beat.

But the rest of you are just transplants from rivals and the insiders, coming over here and ruining free dialgoue by silencing anyone that you don't agree with with your moral majority conventional wisdom.  As fans, with the likes of you, we all deserve to lose.

David, literally man

dude, i love roh

dude check this out

dude.

cool dude,

but dude

-The Vill

The prosecution rests. The jury finds the defendent guilty on all counts, including hyperbole, inflammatory rhetoric, insults, and occasional brah-speak.

You've demonstrated the ability to sound surprisingly quite reasonable. Please exercise this ability whenever you are able, and, when not able due to mitigating circumstances / emotional distress, take your lumps and then turn off the computer for awhile.

Most importantly, when you hit the sewer, stop digging.

jmblue

October 10th, 2010 at 8:11 PM ^

To be clear, when I suggested that we might need to replace GERG if the defense does not improve, I was not calling for the OP to be the replacement. 

Webber's Pimp

October 10th, 2010 at 8:29 PM ^

You act as if the defense cost us the game yesterday. I'll admit we had a couple of horrible breakdowns but I thought the defense had enough stops to win the game. If you are looking to dish out blame for yesterday's loss look no further than our offense. We simply did not produce in the second half and we squandered several scoring opportunities...

los

October 10th, 2010 at 8:41 PM ^

It's like Jeckyll and Hyde in this blog. Everyone tries to suggest extreme changes every time we lose. Those will not take place at this point. We just had a shitty, inconsistent game all across. Let's sit tight and watch. There's a lot of football to be played...

cjffemt

October 10th, 2010 at 11:03 PM ^

I actually liked the Defense we played, I loved seeing pressure on the Cousins and watching our inept DB playing up on the line of scrimmage.  Now yes they were burned but I really enjoyed seeing a different aspect of what could be.  We working on some technique in this style of D and tackeling and we just may have something there.  Of course this is just my opinion.

AdverseVillain77

October 10th, 2010 at 10:01 PM ^

I see what you are saying.  But I guess the spirit of my post is saying is that if Campbell seriously isn't ready to play division 1 football at michigan yet, then stick whoever the next true defensive tackle is into the game next to martin with two true strongside defensive ends next to them in situations where you need to control the line of scrimmage.  Personally I think the number 2 defensive tackle is campbell, but if it isn't, then whoever that would be (sagesse maybe).