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2nd thoughts on Illinois defense

The Illinois Preview led off with the following:

 

Run Offense vs Illinois

Illinois appears to have a for-real defense this year after bringing in Vic Koenning, an established collegiate defensive coordinator with a recent history of success at Clemson and Kansas State. The three years before his hire, Koenning's Ds were 9th, 18th, and 39th in total defense, with that last stop a one-off year at Kansas State where he took the Wildcat D up from 117th. Ahem.

martez-wilson Illinois has been shutting down guys on the strength of a good defensive line (one that features MGoSouldongmate Corey Liuget) and the emergence of Martez Wilson (right) into something resembling the uber-hyped recruit he was. Wilson's by far Illinois's leading tackler with 68; he's second to Liuget in TFLs and sacks. Against the Big Ten:

Opponent Carries Yards TDs YPC
OSU 39 230 1 5.9
PSU 24 83 0 3.5
MSU 30 100 1 3.3
Indiana 33 114 0 3.5
Purdue 33 160 0 4.8

 

 

In my opinion, this is the danger of relying too much on statistics.  Penn State was pre-bye week and in the midst of a populating a MASH unit,  Sparty was suffering from a post-Michigan hangover (especially those arrested for DUIs) and Inidana's running game hasn't been the same since Darius (what you talkin' bout ) Willis got injured. 

Mad props to the O-line and the running backs, who both came up huge today.

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November 6th, 2010 at 5:00 PM |   It seemed to me they were (Score:1)
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It seemed to me they were basically completely selling out to stop Denard running and wanted the other guys to beat 'em if they could. And that's what happened. In that sense their gameplan was effective, I'm just not sure they realized how good our RBs/WRs are.

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November 6th, 2010 at 5:39 PM | Looked that way to me (Score:1)
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Denard had zero running room either inside or outside so it was good play calling to go to the wideouts who were mostly single covered.  Pick your poison against our offense.

jbibiza

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November 6th, 2010 at 5:48 PM | from my vantage point (Score:1)
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they completely sold out on the Denard run. it actually seemed like they bit on every option, targeting him and not the running back. strongest 'real' game our RBs had and for that specific reason

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November 6th, 2010 at 5:00 PM | Illinois does have (Score:1)
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a for-real defense, but we have a for-real offense.

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November 6th, 2010 at 5:01 PM | A for-realer offense (Score:1)
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A for-realer offense

There are no corners in space.

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November 6th, 2010 at 5:05 PM | The for-realest (Score:1)
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Recognize!

It is spelled HOKEAMANIA.  Our coach is an ass-kicking American citizen, not one of the Beatles, for Christ's sake!

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November 6th, 2010 at 5:36 PM | For realsies. (Score:1)
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For realsies.

 

Does it tickle? Only slightly, only slightly.

I upvote any post by BlockM. And Magnus.

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November 6th, 2010 at 5:01 PM | You can't just discredit all (Score:1)
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You can't just discredit all of the good games they played. With your logic you could say that almost every game they play is some kind of "look ahead" or "hang-over" or make up some other excuse for why the opposing team played well. I don't buy that.

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November 6th, 2010 at 5:06 PM | Illinois defense (Score:1)
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is pretty good. Especially their D-Line. They put quite a bit of pressure on our quarterbacks today and held Michigan to a 4.8 ypc average. That's probably the best an opponent has done against Michigan this year.

The simple fact is Michigan has been putting up tons of yards on everybody especially on the ground. This is just the first game where the offense's miscues didn't kill them and they scored a lot too.

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November 6th, 2010 at 5:24 PM | well said.... (Score:1)
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This same Illinois defense did a nice job against Ohio State, for example. Michigan's offense is destructively scary. I'm actually looking forward to all of the upcoming games. Our defense will give up points but as today's game showed - they won't give up.

If the haters don't hate you then you're doing something wrong. - David Cone

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November 6th, 2010 at 5:06 PM | That Cory guy (Score:1)
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Their DT was a beast

"I'm not a vegetarian b/c I love animals. I'm a vegetarian b/c I hate plants"

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November 6th, 2010 at 5:13 PM | Yeah, he's legit. (Score:1)
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Yeah, he's legit.

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November 6th, 2010 at 5:20 PM | Don't you mean (Score:1)
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 Liuget

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November 6th, 2010 at 5:49 PM | Exactly. (Score:1)
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Exactly.

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November 6th, 2010 at 5:59 PM | 2 Luiget 2 quit? (Score:1)
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2 Luiget 2 quit?

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November 6th, 2010 at 5:09 PM | Ill (Score:1)
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Their front 7 is good (especially Liuget), but the secondary is prone to breakdowns.

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November 6th, 2010 at 5:14 PM | Alternate Interpretation (Score:1)
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Our offense is the best they've played all year. 

" I want to win Big 10 titles. Multiply. Consecutively. I just made that word up (multiply). I'm like that. I'm good at Scrabble."

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November 6th, 2010 at 5:16 PM | you sir, (Score:1)
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are correct...and I will argue, it is the best they will face all year

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November 6th, 2010 at 5:19 PM | My hat goes off to the RB (Score:1)
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My hat goes off to the RB today.. they took a ton of pressure off of denard.  Although today at times denard looked like V. Smith just running into the pile and going nowhere.

 

Hopkins, Shaw and Smith all had big runs here and there. Good game

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November 6th, 2010 at 6:04 PM | For the record, Vincent Smith played well today (Score:1)
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In one of his better performances, Vincent Smith took 13 carries for 73 yards - a 5.6 average.  And, while this is due to the fact that Illinois was keying on Denard, Smith was our leading rusher while Denard only managed 3.3 YPC.

Crunch. Zip. Live to fight another day.

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November 6th, 2010 at 5:22 PM | Two things are clear: (Score:1)
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Regardless of opponent's strengths/weaknesses, we move the ball at will and so do they.

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November 6th, 2010 at 5:27 PM | twice this game, end of REG (Score:1)
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twice this game, end of REG and end of OT, the last team with the ball did NOT score the winning points.

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November 6th, 2010 at 5:50 PM | Koenning should be fired, (Score:1)
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Koenning should be fired, there is just no excuse for that dismal performance

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November 6th, 2010 at 6:11 PM | Would you say that Koenning's (Score:1)
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Would you say that Koenning's performance was

UNACCEPTABLE?!!!?

Also, dude, lolhair!!! He can't hold GERG's dop kit!!!!

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November 6th, 2010 at 7:43 PM | Michigan offense (Score:1)
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has been doing it to everybody all season long.  Illini defense were fantastic this season before Michigan game which will certainly drop their ranking big time.

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November 6th, 2010 at 6:04 PM | Did anyone in the 1st half there were two replays not reviewed? (Score:1)
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A possible catch by stonum and a potential Turnover by I'll? Those were possibly big plays and neither went in our favor

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November 6th, 2010 at 6:28 PM | The ball popped out on (Score:1)
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The ball popped out on Stonum's attempted catch. It was an obvious call.

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November 6th, 2010 at 6:51 PM | Replacing Gerg? (Score:1)
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With all the comments about getting rid of Gerg and replacing him with a successful college d-co-ordinator . Illinois did just that and look what happened to Koenig - his defense gave up 67. Replacing Gerg may not be the answer.

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November 6th, 2010 at 7:33 PM | Well, (Score:1)
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One game's stats don't mean much put into the context of this D's total turn around.  In a blog where stats are used quite a bit, please use more statistical analysis when posting.

Oh, and we also have a top 5 offense, so there's that too.

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