Assumin Suh goes #1 overall to St.Louis what's your guess on who the Lions will take? Todd McShay is predicting Gerald McCoy (DL-Oklahoma). My personal guess is Eric Berry (S-Tennessee). But I'd really like to see them trade down and get two picks in the first round and address the OL and secondary.
With the 2nd pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Lions select?
Last years draft was good but with so many holes you need more picks in the draft..
Trade down for a few more picks.. Please.....
Edit - I am a big fan of Suh but even if he drops to the #2 is he going to give the Lions 2, 3, 5, 7 more wins?
Jesus Christ, Wide Reciever, Notre Dame
I thought Jesus Christ played quarterback at Florida...
Last I checked, Jesus played for the Atlanta Hawks.
No, Tacopants, Wide Receiver, Michigan
Have you seen that dude? He's fucking huge!
I hope and pray the Rams f up their pick and the Lions take Suh, otherwise, I'm with you guys. Trade down and get an extra body or two. I like McCoy, I like Berry, and I like Okung, but I like the idea of getting an extra first round pick this year or next even better.
If Suh is gone, they HAVE to draft a OT to protect Stafford. It's only his first year and he already had a separated shoulder, his kneecap slip out and back into place, and knee surgery. At this rate, he wont last 5 years.
to send their 2nd and 34th pick to the Seattle Seahawks for their 6th, 14th and 38th pick, or to San Fran for their 13th, 16th , and 45th pick assuming Suh is still there @ 2.
Your trade is a franchise left tackle for two lower number ones and a swap down in number twos. The price should be Suh for two number ones and a number two. If needs be, the Lions could throw in a 4th round pick. Someone will pay this price. And if I'm wrong, the Lions get Suh.
Assuming he is there at the number two pick, which I doubt.
Offense, without a Quarterback, you cannot play. I think they will pass up on Suh and try to pull a good QB, since they have had nothing but flops. Bradford went up, I think there's a good chance they may take him... or Detroit might get beat out to trade down.
Trent Dilfer has a superbowl ring. Just saying.
I'm with the "trade down" contingent. If Suh is avaliable, he would be a great pick, but I can't see the Rams being stupid enough not to pick him. Of course, like the Lions, the Rams didn't get where they are now by making intelligent picks on draft day, so you never know, but the chances are not very good for Suh being available at number two. Even if he is, one possible negative is having too high a percentage of the cap being used on two players: Stafford and Suh.
By trading down, they could get two players for less than what they would have to pay Suh at number two. A team with this many holes needs more players. Last year's draft worked out pretty good for the Lions. I would have preferred that they take Oher at #20, but Stafford and Delmas worked out well.
We'll see if last year's OK draft was luck or competence soon.
anyone giving Detroit good value to move up to the number 2 pick.
OK, I take that back, Oakland will probably royally fuck up and trade up to take Mallett.
Teams do not want to move up and have to pay the kind of money a #1 or #2 pick requires unless there is somebody that is a total can't miss and is desired by multiple teams. Unfortunately, this year there are a lot of great players but no real "oh my god" types behind Suh. Berry is awesome, but does anyone really see a team moving up to grab him or McCoy at 2? I don't.
So while I agree that it would be smart to trade the #2 pick to help in the rebuilding effort, I just don't see anyone that teams are dying to take other than Suh.
I say we just take McCoy or Berry unless we can trick someone into moving up.
I'd be fine with them taking one of the top tackles, Russel Okung or Trent Williams. There are also some really good DTs (not SUH good, but really good) on the draft board right now, Jared Odrick and Dan Williams.
I really like the Okung move myself. Backus has been in the league for 9 years and needs to be replaced. A stud tackle would really help the running game and Stafford clearly needs more protection.
Take Zoltan in the first round! After all, hasn't Sebastian Janakowski worked out?
I thought maybe Detroit would convert him to WR.
Wait, what? Millen's gone? I don't know then.
He may be the best prospect at the OL position, but he never has impressed me enough to even consider taking him in the top 5. He is not the next Walter Jones, Orlando Pace or John Ogden, and I think that it would be a serious reach to draft him high. I would love to see them draft Berry for a few reasons. First, assuming Suh goes ahead of him, he will be the best player left on the board. Second, he can play corner and safety, and is a once in a generation type of talent. Third, I think that it will be hard for Detroit to trade down, because teams just don't trade up to the top any more due to the salary implications of a move like that.
Take the best player on the board regardless of position, and try to plug holes through free agency. Given how many holes Detroit has, they should just take the best player on the board at each selection.
I personally would be very opposed to taking Berry with the second overall pick. I just don't think that it's a good idea to take a safety with a pick that high.
I watched most of the Virginia Tech v. Tennessee game and although Berry was good, he didn't have an impact on every single play (or even quite a few plays). Now, it's true that to some degree a great safety can affect a play just by being there, but compare how much Berry affected the game compared to how much Suh affected the game. It's a big difference, Suh had to be game-planned around on every down (and even got in on some offensive plays too).
Thus, I'd say that if Suh is there they should take him but I'd be fine with trading down. I would be quite mad if they took Berry (or any other safety) with the number 2 pick.
But that's just me (and my brother in-law).
Would you have taken Troy Palamalu or Bob Sanders with the second pick?
I hope a QB really shines and St. Louis takes said QB since they were looking at the QB from Washington before he decided that he was returning for his senior year, but if Suh is gone, then trade down ASAP.
I know people really like Berry, but I'm generally against using 1st round picks in back-to-back years on the same position, but the lions pass coverage is so bad, might be worth picking Berry (another safety) with #2 this year.
Finally, I'm a bit worried about whether the Lions financially afford the #2 pick this year...
Our secondary is so bad because our D-line can't put pressure on the quarterback. It's kind of hard to cover a reciever for 5 seconds while the QB stands around in the pocket, scans the field, and finds the open man. I think our defensive problems stem from the line.
My feeling for the last 3-4 drafts for the Lions has been that they need to draft only people with an "L" in their name, meaning offensive line or front seven on defense. I realize that the secondary has been horrid but I think you fix that problem by getting guys up front who can pressure the passer and stop the run.
Trading down makes a ton of sense, but as we saw last year there just aren't teams that want to do that because of the cost involved - especially in a year without obvious franchise QBs.
So if you stay at #2 I think you target the best OL or the second best front-seven guy. (Though I haven't spent any time looking at draft rankings yet.)
Pick a side and build it up. I hate when they take skill players early. Build the DL or OL then go after some DB's.
They should trade back if they can, even if Suh is there, Detroit can't afford top ten $ when ever they fix the Salery Cap/CBA. I'd rather have 4 picks in the 2ed and 3ed rounds over one 1st one 2ed one 3ed. Feb 3ed and the NFL draft is my X-mas I love all the new toys even though some are going to bust.
I like this. I don't know if it works in practice, but in DC, the recurring theme for Redskins draft proposals is "draft O-linemen until you run out of picks."
To snag that guard out of Idaho with the first pick in the second round. Our interior line is awful
is a 1st rounder and is the best OG to come out of college rank since Steve Hutchinson. He's huge, strong and athletic. His initial punch is very powerful and he is rumored that he can play at LT(similar to Brandon Albert).
agree, you beat me to the punch.
I'm not with the trade-down contingent. Normally I am, but there's too much talent up top at the very positions the Lions need. I want Suh, but I'd be happy with McCoy or Joe Haden too. I agree we don't really want to pick Berry that high. But any of the above three would be great. Anything else and I'm starting the Fire Mayhew bandwagon.
I hate to be the buzzkill to the trading-down thought but with the way these rookie contracts get bigger and bigger each year, whoever they draft with the 2nd pick will be getting close to Stafford-like money.
I really can't see them trading down for multiple picks like they use to be able to do since nobody wants to pay that player top money. I bet if you offered the 2nd pick for the 10th pick straight up, the team with the 10th pick wouldn't do it.
I really don't believe someone mentioned McCoy as a possibility. Did you hear that the Lions already drafted a franchise QB that's making millions and putting a big dent in their cap? Trading down sounds good, but no one will do it. The top spots in the draft have become so expensive that no team wants them. Who is the player that somebody has to have so badly they will trade up to #2 to get him? The top 2-15 are full of good, but not great players.
The majority of you want offensive line help, and that is smart money. Take a look at all of the OL's drafted in the top 10 the last 10 years. The vast majority of them started right away and were contributing every game. You cannot say that about many other positions, so this is your best bet. Now you just need to evaluate who is the best fit for your offense. Do you get an athletic, quick OL with good hands - or do you get a beast/mauler for the run game?
I believe they are referring to Gerald McCoy, the DT from Oklahoma.
of the football gods, get a lineman or trade down.
St. Louis is not drafting Suh and the Lions are not drafting Berry.
The Rams took Long last year in the first round. Taking Suh this year would put way too much money into a DL on a team that has many, many needs elsewhere.
Likewise, the Lions have a solid safety in Delmas who is making a decent amount of money. Paying Berry #2 pick money and having two safeties making a lot isn't going to fly.
But if STL doesn't take Suh then who do they take at #1? They need a QB but there is not one in this year's draft that imo deserves to be picked number 1 overall. To me the only "slam dunk" player is Suh based on consistency game in and game out over the past year.
I'd love to see the Lions get 2 picks in the teens and get a good OL and then possibly look at the best corner or safety available. Someone like Taylor Mays may be available in the 15-20 range.
They could try to pull off a trade with a team that has multiple 1st round picks this year. Not likely to happen, but that would be ideal for St. Louis.
If he is 100% healthy and kills it in workouts, he might be worthy.
Seems like too much of a system guy to me.
Edit: admittedly, I'm not a big NFL guy and I'm not sure what the Rams base offense is.
Like what San Fransisco did with Alex Smith. He was considered by many to be the best QB available, even though there were tons of questions about his ability to succeed at the next level. Pretty much every top QB this year is a better pro prospect that Smith, Bradford has a much better body, is crazy accurate, and has a better arm, McCoy is crazy accurate too, has similar arm strength, but is more athletic, and Clausen played in a pro offense, better arm strength, and none of them have tiny, teenage girl hands.
We will have a much better idea of the Ram's pick after the combine. Bradford can ease the doubts about his injury and arm strength in drills, Clausen could make a huge impression in passing drills and might be an underrated athlete, and...gulp...Tebow might even look good enough to make people think he'll be a pro. I don't think he will, but then again I never thought Matt Jones could be picked in the first round as a WR.
When you've won four games in three years, you can't afford to reach. Take Eric Berry. The Lions have four holes in their secondary.
If someone is willing to trade up to the #2 spot, by all means, listen. But this is going to be one of the deepest drafts in a LONG time and everyone is going to want picks, picks, picks. THIS would have been the year to have three picks in the top 33.
If you can trade back, there are so many holes with the Lions that you can go in any direction. If the best player on the board is anything other than a QB or a TE, you can draft them. But ideally, you'd drop back a couple of spots and get McCoy.
If the Lions stay at #2...I would go with Berry. With the second pick in the second round, I'd go with Bruce Campbell, left tackle from Maryland. 6-7, agile, and can play either tackle spot. That would let you move Jeff Backus to guard.
Three holes in the secondary. Delmas actually displays the ability to tackle, unlike most of the rest of the team. That's why I'd be less excited with Berry than with a lineman - safety is only half a need.
If the Rams are stupid and pass on Suh and he's there for the Lions, he's got to be the pick. But their previous highly-selected lineman was a DE, so they're still in the market for someone in the middle.
The Rams may very well take either Okung or a QB. There are some good QB's coming out in this draft; Locker, McCoy, Bradford and Clausen. Maybe one of them will shine enough to be a franchise QB. Either way my guess is Suh will be there and if he is the Lions need to grab him. If they don't and trade down then they need to get an OT.
BTW, ESPN has Berry listed as their #1 prospect with Suh #2 and Gerald McCoy #3. The only obvious problem I see with their draft board is no Graham in the top 32.
St. Louis was really interested in Locker, but he decided to come back for his senior year at UW.
In addition to that, it is likely none of the other QB's will grade out high enough to be worthy of the #1 overall pick even though the Rams desperately need a QB.
Thanks for reminding me Locker was returning. Stupid me for looking at ESPN's board and going by it.
I still think St Louis may take a QB. Looking at the facts they won't take another DL this year, they're not going to take a RB nor is one worthy of #1 and I doubt they take Berry at #1(although he may be worth it). So that leaves a QB, OL or trade down. If they trade down the Lions will not get Roh.
So in retrospect I think they take Okung or trade down.
Trade down, take an offensive tackle with the first round pick...then stock up on D.
A real fan would root for Brandon to end up on a good team where he as a pray of getting a ring.
(I seriously wouldn't wish Detroit upon anyone. How about Pitt for him, he can buddy with Lamar)
1st round suh
2nd round grahm
3rd round warren
Brandon they need the help on D.
hes a beast and he will be picked 2nd. the rams will pick jimmy clausen or sam bradford
they should get joe haden with the #2 pick
kevin glover? lol
but it was actually Kevin Glover in (wait for it) 1997. Brown's last PB season with the Lions was 1995.
1) I wouldn't assume that the Rams will take Suh. They might, but then they will have taken DLs three of the last four years. They desperately need a QB and for the money, they might take Bradford.
2) I like Berry. I hate to speak in cliches but he's a playmaker. He could fix a lot of the Lions defensive issues. There are a lot of DTs in this draft. After Suh, many of them are the same type of space-eaters.
The trade down idea is obviously preferable. They could take a guy like Terrence Cody with the lower pick and get something else. I can't emphasize enough how awful it would be to take an offensive lineman. It's a weak OT class. Has anyone learned from the Jason Smith experience yet? If he isn't a Jake Long/Joe Thomas/Johnathon Ogden type, he's not worth a high pick.
I should clarify that by "high pick" I mean "top 10-15." Any player taken that high should have a career arc of a pro bowler, and not just "he was the best guy at this position this year."
I agree with those against safety-drafter, Delmas is a killing machine out there, so the Lions don't necessarily need to take another safety that early.
I'd like to see them address the lines- the offensive line was in shambles and the defensive line couldn't generate any pressure.
Just so you guys know, he's a plus-player at not only safety, but corner and as a nickle linebacker as well. He's the best safety prospect I've ever seen. His speed is Chris Johnson-ish, great tackler, extremely heady. To the guy who said he didn't see him make a whole lot of plays against Va Tech - take into account the fact that this guy still manages to rack up stats despite defenses completely ignoring whatever section he covers on the field. Him and Delmas would be so gravy in the secondary.
Of course, that would all be a waste without a decent pass rush. You can get by with some pretty average players in the secondary if you can generate consistent pressure so...yeah. Ignore everything I just said and focus on Suh/McCoy.
You can get by with some pretty average players in the secondary if you can generate consistent pressure so...yeah.
Michigan safety play the last two years disagrees with you. Average cornerback play, sure. Shitty safety play, heck no. Look what Toledo did in 2008, despite our DL wrecking their OL.
You can help out a bad pass rush by blitzing if you have a good secondary. If you have a bad secondary, you are generally fucked. See Florida 2008 Cap One bowl.
And finally, the problem with the 2008 Lions draft was taking Cherilious over Otah (ESPN kept calling Cherilious a "project", lol) and then taking Dizon over Henne or other players. Two reach picks in the first 2 rounds is so Lions-esque.
They have to go with a lineman, on either side of the ball. I think the offense is actually decent if they can get an offensive line together. On the defensive side, a DT is the best option. Berry is a very good player, but the biggest problem with the team is the D-line. If the Lions can get a good defensive line who can get some pressure on the QB, then the secondary won't be exposed as it has all these years. Even if they draft a safety, the little pressure from the defensive line will leave the secondary out to dry. PLEASE DRAFT A LINEMAN!
the Lions should take either Gerald McCoy or Russell Okung. McCoy is just as good as Suh. McCoy is explosive, can put pressure up in the middle and is an underrated run stopper. Okung is a better LT prospect than Jason Smith who was taken at #2 overall by the Rams. Okung is athletic and is dominant in space. He would be a good replacement for Jeff Backus.
Two things. First, as many posters have pointed out, trading down is not likely to be an option. Top 5 picks are booby prizes, since you have to pay way more for a player who statistically is only a little more likely to be a star. The number 2 pick has literally negative value for many teams.
Second, none of us really has enough info to be able to say what the Lions should do. Barring the once-every-five-years freak like Calvin Johnson, only a well-run scouting organization has enough info about a given player to even estimate how well he'll turn out. And that is the crucially needed information, since the only draft strategy that works is to pick the best available football player who fits any significant need.
This latter point seems to escape many fans; perhaps an example helps. Lets say you decide that the best way to build a defense is D-line first, cornerback second. When your time comes to pick, there's a guy who looks like a great corner, and another guy who plays DT but you don't like quite as well. Nonetheless, your priority is D-line, so you pick the DT. Next year, there's a great DT on your board, but you've already "filled" that position, so you take the lower-rated CB. Congratulations, you now have a less-talented team than if you'd just picked the best players when you had a chance.
This kind of silliness is what got us, for instance, Gosder Cherilus and Jordon Dizon two drafts ago. Our biggest "needs" were a right tackle and cover-2 MLB, so who cares that there were much better players available at other positions with those picks, right?
Last year, the Lions really needed strength up the middle, but all of those positions (OG, DT, MLB) were thin in that draft. So instead of forcing it, we picked good players at other positions instead, and got five starters, most of them apparently very good starters. That's what we need to do again - and again, and again.
*sigh* The Lions need everything. Their defensive line is undersized (with the exception of Grady Jackson, who I believe is now 56 years old or something) and can't rush the passer. Their secondary is atrocious, with the exception of maybe Delmas (who can tackle but is still very shaky in pass coverage). Not to mention this team just cannot keep a quarterback upright. So what is most important? IMO, neither of the above is more important than the other, which is why the Lions should just take whoever is the most talented player available at one of those spots. I like the idea of trading down, but outside of Suh, no one in this draft will be worthy of moving up for. I couldn't tell you who is the best out of Berry, Okung, or McCoy since I am not a scout, but I wouldn't be upset with either of them. And as a side note, there is NO WAY the Rams pass up Suh, no matter how much money he wants, unless some team offers up all of their draft picks to get him. It won't stop me from praying for it, but its not going to happen.
(It is the Lions)